What dear friend, do you find strange about Catholicism?

[PJM]

=Memaw;13480461]I find it strange that other denominations do not believe that Jesus is truly present, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in the Blessed Sacrament and Catholics receive HIM totally in every Consecrated Host!! By the way, the Catholic Church does NOT forbid the laity to receive Holy Communion under both Species. Looks like your seeing things in there that really aren’t. God Bless, Memaw

This is a mystery [almost]

Despite FIVE different Bible authors giving this reality testimony; despite the early Church which termed it “The Breaking of the Bread”; despite Eucharistic Miracles; and despite the FACT that such a denial, is a denial of the VERY WORDS of Our God: Jesus Christ:shrug:

The fact that so many either cannot; or choose not too is a direct result of a lack of Faith and a lack of Grace:

Matthew 13:11
Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given

Acts 2:42
And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Because space is wisely limited here on CAF I can’t copy and paste all five of the testimonies; but here are the references and 2 of them.

Mt. 26: 26-28
Mk 14: 22-24
Lk 22: 17-20
Jn. 6 [all’ but here are verses 47-57

Amen, amen [Trruly truly] I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life.** I am the bread of life**

I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?** Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.** He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him

How could Jesus be more clear? More precise?

Paul: 1st Cor. 11: 23-30

For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this** do for the commemoration of me.** In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink,** for the commemoration of me.**

or as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come.** Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.** But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice.** For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.**] Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you,
and many sleep.

This last verse means: STEEPED in sin & “sleep” here means spiritually; eternal damnation!

This denial is a matter of grave concern. Might God judge this as denial of God; the unforgivable sin? That we know not! BUT because to an unknown degree it remains a possibility; much prayer for them and BY them is the order of the day.

God Bless you,
Parteick

 

[Michael68]

Fran, are you saying that following Church doctrine is legalistic? Should we not go to Confession or Mass?

 

[PJM]

=frangiuliano115;13481565]

=Wannano;13478375]

Jesus Christ in competition with Himself.
I have no words left to speak.

1. Even God my FRIEND can only have a single set of Faith beliefs.

GOD has a single set of faith beliefs.
GOD has a single set of faith beliefs.

I still don’t get it. I thought God WAS our faith, our hope, our grace, our justification, our sanctification and, ultimately, our glorification.

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Hi Fran, I answer “strange things”

Your taking bits and pieces of the puzzle BUT missing the entirety of the essental lessons.

God[s Mercy is greater than is is Judgments; HOWEVER; it does not; because it cannot override it. Truth remains thee truth.

God in order to be “ALL GOOD THINGS PERFECTED” must be fair and just; which too are good things.

The parable of the Narrow Gate is not misleading or an exaggeration.

The path to heaven is a NARROW path; and up hill and rocky

**Take Up your Cross and Follow Me
Phil.2: 8 “And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me

This friend is what your missing

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

=frangiuliano115;13481614]PJM,
I wasn’t asking you to read 1271 and give me your view.

But, by golly, you certainly have.

So the ones outside the catholic church have the right to be called CHRISTian but not Catholic. We are not equal. I guess when we get to the pearly gates all the catholics will go to the left and all the “christians” will go to the right.

Funny, I though catholics were christians. Ah. But christians are not catholics. I see. It’s statements such as these that make “christians” believe catholics are not christian.

Yeah. I’m confused too. And to think that Jesus made everything so simple…

Do you read your posts??

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Fran you choose to make this personal between you and me. WRONG

Its between you and God. It’s NOT personal with me; just God’s truth!

Patrick

 

[PJM]

=adrift;13481636]

Originally Posted by frangiuliano115 View Post
Ooops. I forgot that I was going to copy and paste the CCC from now on:

You lost me on this one my friend? What happened to what

Please help me out here

God Bless,
Patick

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[PJM]

=guanophore;13482548]I think we all need to consider that difficulty comprehending can come from various sources. Sometimes people that have had head injuries suffer traumatic brain injury that affects their memory and ability to process information. Sometimes people have had brain damage from years of drinking/drugging, sometimes people are just born with difficulties processing, receiving, and expressing ideas with language. As people age, they may also encounter early alzheimers or other dementias. None of these conditions can be considered a willful or obstinant problem.

Very true; but through it all, God remains in charge:thumbsup:

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[Peter_J]

Btw, sorry for my brief replies.

Wanno, I would say don’t worry if you aren’t familiar with the Catholic Encyclopedia … I basically never hear it mentioned offline, much less the “CE has blank, so blank must be what Catholics believe.” stuff that one often hears on forums.

 

[rcwitness]

In retrospect I want to thank you for your affirmation of my faith. Being a brother to all indicates an attitude of love which results in beautiful music not just a clanging symbol.
I am open to more from you if have more wisdom for me.

Thanks Wannano, that’s kind of you to say.

But I’m all tapped out of wisdom I actually finally got lucky and something happened to sound good, maybe. Lol

I’d recommend Jim Hendrix for good music!

Ok… anyway, I look forward to seeing more of your posts here. If you ever start a thread let me know, I’d like to participate.

 

[benhur]

Would you give me the verse that says obey your teachers when they are correct? I see where Jesus condemns their practices but not their teachings.

You are right ,it is only inferred , just as there is no explicit verse that says obey them when they are incorrect. It is late and do not have verse but i think it follows the discourse and says something like, “then the apostles realized He was not talking about leavened bread but was talking about their (leavened) doctrine”.

Blessings

 

[benhur]

He definitely told the faithful to obey “whatever” they(Pharisees) tell them.

Hi rc,

Have to disagree. The whatever is conditional , as when they speak explicitly from Moses seat, as when they speak according to what is written , without anything added, detracted or “impurely” interpolated. Another words, obey what Moses wrote or would have spoken. I find that a restricted yet plentiful enough “whatever”.

Blessings

 

[eazyduzit]

This is a mystery [almost]

Despite FIVE different Bible authors giving this reality testimony; despite the early Church which termed it “The Breaking of the Bread”; despite Eucharistic Miracles; and despite the FACT that such a denial, is a denial of the VERY WORDS of Our God: Jesus Christ:shrug:

The fact that so many either cannot; or choose not too is a direct result of a lack of Faith and a lack of Grace:

Matthew 13:11
Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given

Acts 2:42
And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Because space is wisely limited here on CAF I can’t copy and paste all five of the testimonies; but here are the references and 2 of them.

Mt. 26: 26-28
Mk 14: 22-24
Lk 22: 17-20
Jn. 6 [all’ but here are verses 47-57

Amen, amen [Trruly truly] I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life.** I am the bread of life**

I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?** Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.** He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him

How could Jesus be more clear? More precise?

Paul: 1st Cor. 11: 23-30

For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this** do for the commemoration of me.** In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink,** for the commemoration of me.**

or as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come.** Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.** But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice.** For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.**] Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you,
and many sleep.

This last verse means: STEEPED in sin & “sleep” here means spiritually; eternal damnation!

This denial is a matter of grave concern. Might God judge this as denial of God; the unforgivable sin? That we know not! BUT because to an unknown degree it remains a possibility; much prayer for them and BY them is the order of the day.

God Bless you,
Parteick

What is truly confounding is that a Catholic will believe certain things in a very literal way, but not believe he already has eternal life.

 

[guanophore]

What is truly confounding is that a Catholic will believe certain things in a very literal way, but not believe he already has eternal life.

We believe that we enter into eternal life at baptism.

During this lifetime, we are being saved and sanctified.

At the end of this life, if we persevere until the end, we will be saved.

catholic.com/tracts/assurance-of-salvation

 

[rcwitness]

Hi rc,

Have to disagree. The whatever is conditional , as when they speak explicitly from Moses seat, as when they speak according to what is written , without anything added, detracted or “impurely” interpolated. Another words, obey what Moses wrote or would have spoken. I find that a restricted yet plentiful enough “whatever”.

Blessings

Hey ben, then that seems to have nothing to do with them having ANY authority. It’s just plain and simple Sola Scriptura. Maybe you see the hierarchy as simply declaring what is Scripture and what is not, and then verbally conveying said Scripture? That’s not really departing from what we believe.

Also, when Scripture says, “… do not go outside what is written.”, does that mean Scripture only or does it include official declarations written by the Church?

 

[Michael68]

What is truly confounding is that a Catholic will believe certain things in a very literal way, but not believe he already has eternal life.

What is confounding is Protestants don’t know what “endure to the end” means. They seem to think they are at the end already. If you are still breathing, then your race, as St. Paul suggested, is still going

 

[Michael68]

What is confounding is Protestants don’t know what “endure to the end” means. They seem to think they are at the end already. If you are still breathing, then your race, as St. Paul suggested, is still going

Protestants also don’t seem to understand what “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” means. OSAS is, imo, the height of arrogance by telling God what He is going to do.

 

[meltzerboy]

Protestants also don’t seem to understand what “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” means. OSAS is, imo, the height of arrogance by telling God what He is going to do.

I suppose for Protestants, rather than arrogance, the belief in OSAS is an affirmation that G-d has told us what He is going to do.

 

[frangiuliano115]

I suppose for Protestants, rather than arrogance, the belief in OSAS is an affirmation that G-d has told us what He is going to do.

I’d just like to say that the term
Once Saved Always Saved is not well understood by we catholics as demonstrated by the way it’s bandied about on these threads.

I’ll only say that most protestants don’t believe in OSAS but I defer to them to explain what the term means -

Fran

 

[benhur]

Hey ben, then that seems to have nothing to do with them having ANY authority. It’s just plain and simple Sola Scriptura. Maybe you see the hierarchy as simply declaring what is Scripture and what is not, and then verbally conveying said Scripture? That’s not really departing from what we believe.

Also, when Scripture says, “… do not go outside what is written.”, does that mean Scripture only or does it include official declarations written by the Church?

HI rc’

Part of me says no, no no, .You may it seem like total blind obedience to Pharisees or none at all. It is not all or nothing. Clearly the Pharisees had some authority, as explicitly as did Moses seat and Holy Writ itself. The proper understanding is what Paul demonstrates. He differentiates when something is of the Lord/Moses Seat (and binding) and when something he says is not, but of himself (not binding but certainly “food for thought, as it may apply to you”). The Pharisees did not do this.They abused the seat and bound that which was not binding.

As far as going outside of scripture, it is just that . It does not mean do not go outside what church teaches. There would be other texts that admonish obedience to “church”/apostles. But certainly the church must be scriptural, not go outside of it.

Blessings

 

[benhur]

What is confounding is Protestants don’t know what “endure to the end” means. They seem to think they are at the end already. If you are still breathing, then your race, as St. Paul suggested, is still going

Hi M,

Well maybe it is both . For certainly Paul does not say we will be seated in heavenly places but says *we are *seated in heavenly places, *present *tense.

We do believe in endurance. Just that the same grace in promises that began our journey , is the same grace in promises to grow and maintain in the middle, and to finally endure to the end. We all agree on this.

It is strange to think that your initial salvation, grace and promises were totally dependent upon His work and now it is not. But race we must. Only His fire will judge who ran in His strength and love, and who on their own strength to gain more or even keep His love.

Blessings

 

[benhur]

I suppose for Protestants, rather than arrogance, the belief in OSAS is an affirmation that G-d has told us what He is going to do.

Very charitable and correct… A bit how I say the CC is ORAR-Once Right Always Right in regards to doctrinal infallibility. She says it is what Jesus told us what He (the Holy Ghost) was going to do.

Blessings