What dear friend, do you find strange about Catholicism?

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For me catholic is best, I was born a Muslim , Left Islam for Christianity Presbyterian
studied theology to become pastor, Left the church , practiced Buddhism, in some extent got in involved with some cults too . Became atheist for a long time , Eventually my soul settled down as a catholic and I love it but the catholic church is full of superstition and garbage and disappointing things too

So I will stay catholic but will be careful with all those garbage …🙂
 
Jafar said:
For me catholic is best, I was born a Muslim , Left Islam for Christianity Presbyterian
studied theology to become pastor, Left the church , practiced Buddhism, in some extent got in involved with some cults too . Became atheist for a long time , Eventually my soul settled down as a catholic and I love it but the catholic church is full of superstition and garbage and disappointing things too

So I will stay catholic but will be careful with all those garbage …🙂
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I was baptized Catholic but was raised atheist. I spent my early years in a Muslim country but moved to the US as a refugee because of civil war in the old country.

What I found weird about the CC was the concept of joining one’s sufferings with that of Christ.
 
Jafar said:
For me catholic is best, I was born a Muslim , Left Islam for Christianity Presbyterian
studied theology to become pastor, Left the church , practiced Buddhism, in some extent got in involved with some cults too . Became atheist for a long time , Eventually my soul settled down as a catholic and I love it but the catholic church is full of superstition and garbage and disappointing things too

So I will stay catholic but will be careful with all those garbage …🙂
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If you “love the catholic church” but still think it is “full of superstition and garbage and disappointing things too,” I wonder what you must think of Islam, Prebyterianism, and Buddhism? My comment is not meant to be insulting to you but rather is just my reaction to your own. Maybe there is a little communication barrier here.
 
Sarcelle said:
What I found weird about the CC was the concept of joining one’s sufferings with that of Christ.
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Romans 8:16-18

“…it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.”
 
meltzerboy said:
If you “love the catholic church” but still think it is “full of superstition and garbage and disappointing things too,” I wonder what you must think of Islam, Prebyterianism, and Buddhism? My comment is not meant to be insulting to you but rather is just my reaction to your own. Maybe there is a little communication barrier here.
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Islam is Evil , Must be banned , Buddhism is full of demons , Martin Luther was crazy .
And I am stupid to tell you what I feel and think because you people are not much different in some ways than other fanatics out there.
 
benhur said:
Very charitable and correct… A bit how I say the CC is ORAR-Once Right Always Right in regards to doctrinal infallibility. She says it is what Jesus told us what He (the Holy Ghost) was going to do.

Blessings
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ORAR … I don’t usually ask this, but are you serious?
 
Jafar said:
Islam is Evil , Must be banned , Buddhism is full of demons , Martin Luther was crazy .
And I am stupid to tell you what I feel and think because you people are not much different in some ways than other fanatics out there.
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Sorry I upset you.
 
Jafar said:
Islam is Evil , Must be banned , Buddhism is full of demons , Martin Luther was crazy .
And I am stupid to tell you what I feel and think because you people are not much different in some ways than other fanatics out there.
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Not cool! Meltzerboy is a great member here.
 
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benhur said:
Hi M,

Well maybe it is both . For certainly Paul does not say we will be seated in heavenly places but says *we are *seated in heavenly places, *present *tense.

We do believe in endurance. Just that the same grace in promises that began our journey , is the same grace in promises to grow and maintain in the middle, and to finally endure to the end. We all agree on this.

It is strange to think that your initial salvation, grace and promises were totally dependent upon His work and now it is not. But race we must. Only His fire will judge who ran in His strength and love, and who on their own strength to gain more or even keep His love.

Blessings
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Michael68

This is a good explanation of how protestants understand their salvation.

Not every protestant believes in OSAS; they also believe salvation can be lost by abandoning God. They also believe we are to persevere till the end in faith and love.
They also believe it is the grace of God that calls us to Him and enables us to stay with Him till the end - but it is always our choice.

Fran
 
Jafar said:
For me catholic is best, I was born a Muslim , Left Islam for Christianity Presbyterian
studied theology to become pastor, Left the church , practiced Buddhism, in some extent got in involved with some cults too . Became atheist for a long time , Eventually my soul settled down as a catholic and I love it but the catholic church is full of superstition and garbage and disappointing things too

So I will stay catholic but will be careful with all those garbage …🙂
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So you have become a cafeteria Catholic? May I ask what you consider “superstition and garbage” since you brought it up?
 
rcwitness said:
Romans 8:16-18

“…it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.”
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Hi rcwitness,

The “suffering” idea is difficult for a non catholic to understand. The way we accept suffering and say that we offer it to God.

I like to say that we offer our sufferings at the foot of the cross. We suffer WITH Christ.
We offer all to Him so that we may be relieved of it. We lay it at His feet and at the Mass also offer our daily toils and works and sufferings, together with His sacrifice, to God.

Not that we re-sacrifice Jesus - and not that His sacrifice was insufficient. Just to clarify for our non-catholic readers.

Fran
 
Sarcelle said:
I was baptized Catholic but was raised atheist. I spent my early years in a Muslim country but moved to the US as a refugee because of civil war in the old country.

What I found weird about the CC was the concept of joining one’s sufferings with that of Christ.
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It’s nice to have you here Sarcelle.

“You shall know the truth
And the truth shall set you free!”

God bless you
Fran
(the mushrooms?)
 
Peter_J said:
ORAR … I don’t usually ask this, but are you serious?
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Gosh Peter J. I think I know what benhur means but I’ll stop right here.

Well, you know how they say the imagination is worse than the reality? I’ll just say this:

When a doctrine changes a little, we say that the doctrine has remained the same but our understanding of it has changed. Now if someone could explain that to me…
IOW, if we accept a change in a doctrine, doesn’t that mean it has changed??

I do find this concept really strange!

Fran
 
Jafar said:
Islam is Evil , Must be banned , Buddhism is full of demons , Martin Luther was crazy .
And I am stupid to tell you what I feel and think because you people are not much different in some ways than other fanatics out there.
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Every one of those four statements is a good illustration of why I severely limit (well try to at least) how much reading I do on this forum (or other forums for that matter).

Anyhow I’m happy to make your acquaintance (which is not to imply that I plan to converse with you in the future).
 
frangiuliano115 said:
Gosh Peter J. I think I know what benhur means but I’ll stop right here.

Well, you know how they say the imagination is worse than the reality? I’ll just say this:

When a doctrine changes a little, we say that the doctrine has remained the same but our understanding of it has changed. Now if someone could explain that to me…
IOW, if we accept a change in a doctrine, doesn’t that mean it has changed??

I do find this concept really strange!

Fran
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Dear Fran - It would be better explained that the Word is the Word. It is recorded as we now see it and is changeless, but consider contained within the Word is many meanings.

What can happen is we get stuck on one meaning and exclude other explanations. Thus our understanding can and does Change as we unveil more of the hidden meanings, the Word does not itself “Change”.

Christ pointed this out to the Jews on the subject of Elijah.

God bless and Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Dear Fran - It would be better explained that the Word is the Word. It is recorded as we now see it and is changeless, but consider contained within the Word is many meanings.

What can happen is we get stuck on one meaning and exclude other explanations. Thus our understanding can and does Change as we unveil more of the hidden meanings, the Word does not itself “Change”.

Christ pointed this out to the Jews on the subject of Elijah.

God bless and Regards Tony
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Yes Tony,
But is a doctrine the same as The Word?

Soon,
Fran
 
Peter_J said:
ORAR … I don’t usually ask this, but are you serious?
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frangiuliano115 said:
Gosh Peter J. I think I know what benhur means but I’ll stop right here.

Well, you know how they say the imagination is worse than the reality? I’ll just say this:

When a doctrine changes a little, we say that the doctrine has remained the same but our understanding of it has changed. Now if someone could explain that to me…
IOW, if we accept a change in a doctrine, doesn’t that mean it has changed??

I do find this concept really strange!

Fran
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🙂

Benhur, I realize my question was a little bland, so let me season it a little: Are you saying that we believe in a “once right” —> “always right” causality?
 
Nothing at all - I wish my Church would adopt some of your teachings
Merry Christmas
 
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