What dear friend, do you find strange about Catholicism?

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eazyduzit said:
Okay, then here is what the apostles say:
1Pt.1:23- “Being born again… by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”
Jms1:18- “Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth…”
Phil.2:16- “Holding forth the word of life…”
Acts 11:14- “Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.”

Because of the teaching of the apostles, we understand that the life is in the living word of God.

Now, what about the flesh? Even the flesh of Jesus? What life was in His flesh? It was still human and mortal. If it was immortal than He would not have died. If we were at the very foot of the cross and actual drops of the blood fell on us, would that communicate life to us? No it would not. What then is the source of life? It is as St. Peter says in 2Pt.1:4- “Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises God’s word] that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature…”

At the Last Supper, you are correct, the word used for remember is “anamnesis” which carries with it a personal connotation rather than memory of events which lines up with 1Cor.5:7 which says that our Passover is now a person and not an event.

This illustrates a basic difference in the way we respond to the Gospel. We just have to respect each side is looking at the same thing but seeing different levels. One sees it on a fleshly and literal level and the other sees a spiritual and metaphorical level.

I hope you you would admit that what I present also has some scriptural logic and legitimacy. We will never come together on this, but the best we can do is to try to understand each others reasoning for what we believe.
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Do you understand Passover to be a totally different event from Communion?

Catholics combine the two. Passover as the Lamb’s sacrifice.
Communion as the eating of that Lamb.

Fran
 
benhur said:
Well of course the ritual of foot washing is to wash the feet. The ritual of thanksgiving for Christ (Eucharist) is to give thanks for Christ offering up Himself at Calvary, for us, in remembrance till He comes again.
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My point was that Jesus told Peter that Peter would have no part in Him if he did not allow Jesus to ritually wash his feet. I am saying there can be made a similar rejection of Jesus’ life if we reject His Eucharistic meal. We may be saying that we are thankful for Him, but do not come to His thanksgiving Sacrament. Or we may say we are forgiven by Him, but do not receive His Sacrament of Baptism.

I always try to keep belief and obedience together, because it is what I believe the Gospel tells us.

“Whoever believes and is Baptized”

If we believe, we will be Baptized with water and Spirit… if we believe, we will eat His Eucharist… if we believe, we will obey His commands. But mere belief, without obedience does not have humility, love, endurance. Mere belief without these has no part in Jesus.

I don’t believe God ignores the heart and desire! He will not reject a believer because of lack of water Baptism, or having eaten His Eucharist… but we certainly can reject Him through denying to receive these.
 
=JustaServant;13507883]The Catholic Church does not, and has never taught ‘praying to the dead’. I have never met a Catholic in their right mind who prays to the dead.
You say you are a former Catholic. Not sure what church you belonged to, but it wasn’t Catholic.
Next question?
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It has nothing to do with winning. I posted something I find “strange” about the Catholic religion. I have now posted a bible text as to why I find it strange. I was asked to
Reconile it with another. I have. I guess what I should have asked is, how do you reconcile Ecclesiastes 9:5&6 with your practice of praying to “the dead”?

Help me out here:confused:

By “Dead” are you just speaking of one’s physical death?

Because the CC does teach praying for the dead:) We call the Saints!👍
 
=JustaServant;13507883]The Catholic Church does not, and has never taught ‘praying to the dead’. I have never met a Catholic in their right mind who prays to the dead.
You say you are a former Catholic. Not sure what church you belonged to, but it wasn’t Catholic.
Next question?
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Where dear friend is the Christian Charity in your reply:shrug:

Let ALL of us PLEASE be Christ like in our posting:thumbsup:
 
PJM said:
REALLY:shrug:🙂

Is that because your understand them to BE DEAD, and there is no afterlife?
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I was agreeing with the statement
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Since I don’t pray to the dead there is nothing to reconcile. I would be most foolish indeed to pray to the dead
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That we don’t pray to the dead because God is the God of the living.
Matthew 22
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living…"
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adrift said:
I was agreeing with the statement

That we don’t pray to the dead because God is the God of the living.
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Hi a,

Sounds like slithery semantics. Dead in Judeo/Christian culture is one whose body is in the grave though there spirit and soul are alive, in God’s ‘hands’. So some folk do pray/talk to the dead, the deceased, those in the afterlife, etc., etc., ect…

Blessings
 
benhur said:
Hi a,

Sounds like slithery semantics. Dead in Judeo/Christian culture is one whose body is in the grave though there spirit and soul are alive, in God’s ‘hands’. So some folk do pray/talk to the dead, the deceased, those in the afterlife, etc., etc., ect…

Blessings
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Slithery semantics in scripture? Really?:eek:
 
benhur said:
Correct, Augustine did not deny a sort of real presence, but it is not in the strictest Catholic transubstantiated idea. Another words, he would not say symbolic only, just as he would not say the bread and wine become His literal body and blood.

Blessings
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A sort of real presence:confused:
“That Bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God IS THE BODY OF CHRIST. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, IS THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. Through that bread and wine the Lord Christ willed to commend HIS BODY AND BLOOD, WHICH HE POURED OUT FOR US UNTO THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.” (Sermons 227)
“…I turn to Christ, because it is He whom I seek here; and I discover how the earth is adored without impiety, how without impiety the footstool of His feet is adored. For He received earth from earth; because flesh is from the earth, and He took flesh from the flesh of Mary. He walked here in the same flesh, AND GAVE US THE SAME FLESH TO BE EATEN UNTO SALVATION. BUT NO ONE EATS THAT FLESH UNLESS FIRST HE ADORES IT; and thus it is discovered how such a footstool of the Lord’s feet is adored; AND NOT ONLY DO WE NOT SIN BY ADORING, WE DO SIN BY NOT ADORING.” (Psalms 98:9)
“How this ‘And he was carried in his own hands’] should be understood literally of David, we cannot discover; but we can discover how it is meant of Christ. FOR CHRIST WAS CARRIED IN HIS OWN HANDS, WHEN, REFERRING TO HIS OWN BODY, HE SAID: ‘THIS IS MY BODY.’ FOR HE CARRIED THAT BODY IN HIS HANDS.” (Psalms 33:1:10)
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No sort of at all he is proclaiming that it is Jesus’ literal Body and Blood.
 
adrift said:
Slithery semantics in scripture? Really?:eek:
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Hi adrift,

No, not in scripture nor in any interpretation thereof. Only in unnecessarily avoiding the obvious (dead people are dead) with another obvious truth (dead people live on in spirit and soul forever).

Blessings
 
benhur said:
Correct, Augustine did not deny a sort of real presence, but it is not in the strictest Catholic transubstantiated idea. Another words, he would not say symbolic only, just as he would not say the bread and wine become His literal body and blood.

Blessings
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Keep reading your Augustine, benhur, because if you do you will come to appreciate how Catholic he is. 👍

Check out some of these quotes.

How can Augustine make these statements if he does not believe in the Real Presence?

I agree, he never heard of or considered the term “transubstantiation” but that changes nothing.

Christ was carried in His Own hands when, referring to His Own body, He said, “This is My body.” For He carried that body in His hands (Explanations of the Psalms 33, 1, 10).

[Jesus] received earth from earth; because flesh is from the earth, and He took flesh from the flesh of Mary. He walked here in the same flesh, and gave us the same flesh to be eaten unto salvation. But no one eats that flesh unless he first adores it… and not only do we not sin by adoring [His flesh], we do sin by not adoring (Explanations of the Psalms 98, 9).

I promised you [new Christians], who have now been baptized, a sermon in which I would explain the sacrament of the Lord’s Table, which you now look upon and of which last night were made participants. You ought to know what you have received, what you are going to receive, and what you ought to receive daily. That bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the Word of God, is the body of Christ. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the Word of God, is the blood of Christ…. What you see is the bread and the chalice; that is what your eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that the bread is the body of Christ and the chalice is the blood of Christ (Sermons 227).

The faithful know what I am saying. They know Christ in the breaking of the bread. For not all bread, but only that which receives the blessing of Christ, becomes Christ’s body (Sermons 234, 2).[4]
 
frangiuliano115 said:
Do you understand Passover to be a totally different event from Communion?

Catholics combine the two. Passover as the Lamb’s sacrifice.
Communion as the eating of that Lamb.

Fran
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No, the two are inextricably tied together.just as Jews at passover remember how they were set free from the bondage of Egypt, we are to remember how Jesus has made us free from the bondage of sin and death through the New Covenant of grace that He won for us. The Covenant of Law came through Moses, but Grace through Jesus Christ.
 
frangiuliano115 said:
Do you understand Passover to be a totally different event from Communion?

Catholics combine the two. Passover as the Lamb’s sacrifice.
Communion as the eating of that Lamb.

Fran
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No, the two are inextricably tied together.just as Jews at passover remember how they were set free from the bondage of Egypt, we are to remember how Jesus has made us free from the bondage of sin and death through the New Covenant of grace that He won for us. The Covenant of Law came through Moses, but Grace through Jesus Christ.
 
benhur said:
Hi a,

Sounds like slithery semantics. Dead in Judeo/Christian culture is one whose body is in the grave though there spirit and soul are alive, in God’s ‘hands’. So some folk do pray/talk to the dead, the deceased, those in the afterlife, etc., etc., ect…

Blessings
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Thanks! I use dead as Paul did “the dead in Christ”
 
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