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Peter_J
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Well, you can be glad you didn’t live in the early days, when confession was not made to **one **human being but publicly!
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PJM
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That my friend does NOT apply to new Testament; New Covenant times. That was BEFORE Christ and Before we were placed under GOD’s GRACE.
Romans 6:14-15
For sin shall not have dominion over you; for you are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under the law,** but under grace? God forbid**
Because post Christ times give us access to MUCH More [grace]; God MUST expect more from each of us.
Pray much my friend,
Patrick
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Sunlight
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Right I understand that, what Jesus said. I guess, I am really sorry to keep saying this but I don’t get where the priest part comes in because the priest is a human and therefore imperfect and not without sin so I am just really confused. I don’t mean to keep repeating myself and I don’t want you to think I am trying to cause problems, but I just don’t understand where the priest comes in. ,I understand talking to Jesus and God but not to a priest. Im like really sorry! Im just not getting it for some reason. I am not a church goer for certain reasons so maybe that’s part of the problem. I always believed that if you trust in God and Jesus and did good to others not because you have to but because you felt it in your heart, it’s really all that matters.
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Sunlight
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ooh well yeah that’s horrible, poor people. Im sure it happens in other parts of this world even in this day and age.Well, you can be glad you didn’t live in the early days, when confession was not made to **one **human being but publicly!
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PJM
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Here’s what your [both] missing
There are 2 Infallible rules for God’s Understanding of His Bible
[1] Never ever; can, may or DOES EVER have the Power or the authority to
Invalidate, override or make VOID another verse, passage or teaching
Were this even the slightest possibility it would rendewr the entire bible was worthless to teach or learn THEE Faith God desires ALL of us to know, accept and embrace
2nd Tim 3: 26-17 “All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, [17] That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work”
Matthew 4:4"Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God".
[2] If you find yourself not fully believing what the RCC teaches; know that your wrong and need to chage your position:
Mt 16: 18-19 "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon [YOU PETER] this rock I will build my church,[SINGULAR] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever YOU shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever tYOU shalt loose upon earth, **it shall be loosed also in heaven. **
Jn 17:16-20 "Sanctify** them in truth**. Thy word is truth.** As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.** **And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. **[20] And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me;
Mt 28: 18-20 "And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying:] Going therefore, teach YOU all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded YOU: and behold I am with YOU all days, even to the consummation of the world.
Only the CC can claim ALL of this Power and Authority; and ONLY the RCC can and DOES teach the FULLNESS of God’s pwn truths:thumbsup:
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PJM
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What ONCE; isn’t anymore [conditionally]
BECAUSE THEY REJECTED CHRIST AS THE LONG AWAITED MESSIAH THEY FORFEITED THEIR EXALTED ROLE AS THE ONE “CHOSEN PEOPLE”; NOW REPLACED IN FAVOR BY GOD’S ONE CHOSEN CHURCH [Mt 16:18]
Mt 10: 1-8
"And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus,Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, and into the city of the Samaritans enter ye not.[6] But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give.
Now compare that COMMAND to this one
Mt 28: 18-20 “And Jesus coming, spoke to them, Going therefore, teach YOU! all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded YOU: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world”
There is NOW a New Covenant; a New Set of beliefs and commands & mandates.
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adrift
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I wasn’t offended but I never would put myself before God so I wondered why you did?
Maybe it is just grammer:shrug:
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PJM
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Now that dear friend is a GREAT question
God has used priest in the ROLE of sin-forgiveness from the time of Moses
Lev.5: 13 “Thus the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed in any one of these things, and he shall be forgiven. And the remainder shall be for the priest, as in the cereal offering." … Lev.6:7 “and the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD, and he shall be forgiven for any of the things which one may do and thereby become guilty."
Because they were still under the Old Covenant; God was FAR more lenient with this. They were still being FORMED as His CHOSEN PEOPLE. So While God did use His OT priest that were intercessors ONLY. They in a sense COVERED OVER the sins; and God forgave them.
**Now under the New Covenant: **
Mark 1:27
And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying: What thing is this? what is this new doctrine? for with power he commandeth even the unclean spirits, and they obey him.
Mark 14:24
And he said to them: This is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you: That you love one another, as I have loved you, that you also love one another
2 Corinthians 5:17
If then any be in Christ a new creature, the old things are passed away, behold all things are made new
**Hebrews 8:13
Now in saying a new, he hath made the former old. And that which decayeth and groweth old, is near its end.
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What God was willing to accept while the "chosen people [which Jesus calls HIS Chosen Church singular]; is no longer sufficient from God’s perspective. we ARE given more and therefore God MUST expect more from us
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adrift
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The priest part comes in because that is the way Jesus arranged to be the normal way of our sins being forgiven. Jesus gave the power to forgive sins to His apostles. Only God can forgive sins yet Jesus told His apostles
I know you said you felt forgiven but how can you be sure? In order to be forgiven when you go straight to God you have to have perfect contrition. Not easy to do but when you go to confession you don’t have to have perfect contrition when you hear the priest absolve you, you know that God had forgiven you. Confession is not easy but then nothing worthwhile is.
Paul explains it this way in 2 Corinthians
Paul tells them that one of the ministries is to bring the mercy of God by the message of reconciliation of the forgiveness of sins.
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PJM
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Fair question
Simply put its BECAUSE your insisting on DOING it YOUR way; not God’s.
Read the very reason why we exist, and apply it to your question:
**Isaiah 43: 7 & 21 **“And every one that calleth upon my name, I have created him for my glory, I have formed him, and made him. & This people have I formed for myself, [Genesis 1: 26-27] they shall shew forth my praise.”
Ephesians 6:5
Servants, be obedient to them that are your lords according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the simplicity of your heart, as to Christ:
Philippians 2:8
He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross.
Jesus ask no more of us than he did of Himself; BUT ALSO NO LESS!
Take Up your Cross and Follow Me
Phil.2: 8 “And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross** Luke.9 :23** And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.** Luke.14**: 7** Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.**” Matt.5: 19 “Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
HUMILITY is a essential Virtue to attain heaven.
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adrift
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That website has no authority nor do they get it right. The Catechism is better
839 addresses the Jewish people
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Eric_Hilbert
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Over the 1000 mark guys.
I’ll let it run until tomorrow morning.
I’ll let it run until tomorrow morning.
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PJM
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My friend look for a private message from me.
I’m 71 and getting tired so this will be my last post for TODAYwhat your missing is the totality of the New Covenant in Christ Blood and ALL that it entails.
The OT priest and the NT Priest are VERY far apart in grace and AUTHORITY.
As I indicated in an earlier post; OT priest were [dare I say "only’ intercessors. God Still did all the [again a poor choice of words] “heavy lifting”
Here’s a critical insight for you
The PURPOSE of the OT was to in very large part to LEAD to Jesus [the Messiah] in the NT.
It is said that the Old leads to the New; and that the NEW Contains the Old and completes and Perfects it.
The RCC does NOT replace God; BUT She DOES and IS empowered to act on God’s behalf; FOR God with Godly Powers and Godly Authority. Please GO BACK to the post were I shared** Mt. 10: 1-8**
In the Seven Sacraments ALL instituted by Jesus precisely to aid mens possible salvation efforts; God choose to actually and LITERALLY share some [and to alsser degree] of His very own Godly Powers and Authority with his NT Priest:
John 17: 17-20
“Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. [18] As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. [19] And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. [20] And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me;”
Jn 20: 21-22
[21] He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send YOU. [22] When he had said this, he breathed on THEM; and he said to them: Receive YOU! the Holy Ghost
These gifts are exclusively Catholic in there totality.[The Orthodox are close BUT not identically endowed]
In the Sacrament of the Most Holy Eucharist; the Priest actually; mysteriously and miraculously MADE BY THE HOLY SPIRIT into “alter Christi”** [literally another Christ for the instant of the transubstantiation] **
In the Sacrament of Confession the Priest is a temporary “replacement” for Christ and ARE empowered to ACTUALLY forgive or NOT forgive our Confessed sins.
Mt. 16:19
[19] And I will give to YOU [alone] … [ALL OF] the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever YOU! shalt bind upon earth,** it shall be bound also in heaven:** and whatsoever YOU! shalt loose upon earth,** it shall be loosed also in heaven**.
This My friend is God’s plan, desire and mandate:thumbsup:
Look for a private message from me please.
God Bless you,
Patrick [PJM] here on CAF
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Sunlight
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It’s incorrect grammar. I didn’t realize until you pointed it out. I thought maybe I offended anyone with that and I didn’t mean for it to be like that. I would feel horrible if I offended anyone. Like if we were talking, I would say “Adrift and I were talking” instead of “Me and Adrift were talking”. But yeah, it’s just bad grammar.
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PJM
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sunlight; I’m NOT better than the Catechism; BUT I MA a whole lot easier to read and dialog with.
God Bless you,
Patrick
here’s a Catechism site that’s free and searchable too:thumbsup:
scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
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adrift
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What I was saying is that site “Got Questions” is not a good website for finding answers. It is very anti-Catholic and a better resource is the Catechism my link is to the Vatican website which I use a lot.sunlight; I’m NOT better than the Catechism; BUT I MA a whole lot easier to read and dialog with.
God Bless you,
Patrick
here’s a Catechism site that’s free and searchable too:thumbsup:
scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
Very good site bookmarked it
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benhur
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Hi M,
Yes but is this church age forever or temporary, till the King returns? Will all saints be united to Him as in ‘church’ or as Israel , etc…?
Blessings
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