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theCardinalbird
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What did Jesus fulfill exactly in scripture? Does anyone have any resources that can answer this question, or do you know what Jesus fulfilled to prove he was the messiah?
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Thom18
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In a word, everything.
Scripture shows a pattern of promise and fulfillment. God promises something (either explicitly or implicitly), and He fulfills that promise.
Consider the Exodus. God promised to lead Israel out of slavery and into the Promised Land. He did lead them out of Egypt and into what would become Israel, but He didn’t stop there. It wasn’t enough for God to simply give His people a place on earth to call their own. He has bigger plans in store for us, and they were able to be fully realized with the advent (and eventual sacrifice) of Christ. God led our spiritual ancestors out of bondage in Egypt, and today He leads us out of slavery to sin and towards freedom in Christ. He desires to save us from sin and save us for eternal communion with Him.
The Old Covenant is filled with signs which preceded the coming of Christ, who is the fulfillment of all these things.
Just as Melchizedek, priest king of Salem (which some might say became Jerusalem) offered bread and wine for sacrifice, so does Jesus offer His own flesh and blood for the life of the world under the appearances of bread and wine.
Just as Moses guided the Israelites out of bondage and into the Promised Land, Christ guides us out of slavery to sin to freedom in Him.
Just as Moses (though only because of God) provided the Israelites with the heavenly manna to eat on their journey, so Christ became the living bread which came down from heaven to give life to the world. If we eat this bread (which is His flesh), we will live forever.
If you’re looking for more examples, Jesus provides many of His own (though certainly not all of them).
Tis_Bearself
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You might want to check out Scott Hahn’s “A Father Who Keeps His Promises” to see better the parallels between OT and NT.
Also, the NT often states what OT prophecy Jesus is fulfilling at any given moment, particularly the Gospel of Matthew.
Also, the NT often states what OT prophecy Jesus is fulfilling at any given moment, particularly the Gospel of Matthew.
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Dlee
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Also, read the Book of Matthew. We just started Jeff Cavins’ Bible Study on Matthew, who references how Jesus has fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah. The entire book of Matthew shows us how Christ has fulfilled the OT.
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Mike_from_NJ
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I’d be careful. There are a lot of sites and apologists who try to wheel out a varying number of supposedly fulfilled messianic prophecies (usually in the hundreds), but after some research you find the threshold for what qualifies is embarrassingly low.
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Like what?
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Mike_from_NJ
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Psalms 69:9…Zealous for the Lord’s House…John 2:17
John 2:17 says "His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.” It’s supposed to be a reference to Psalm 69:9. The problem is that Psalm 69 is not a messianic prophecy. It’s about a sinner who says “O Elohim, you know my foolishness and my sins are not hidden from you.” To link the two is to say Jesus is a fool and a sinner.
Isaiah 11:1…Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer…Matthew 2:23
Matthew 2:23 “He shall be called a Nazarene” do not appear in the Hebrew scriptures. It’s said to link to Isaiah 11:1 “A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch *(netzer) will bear fruit.” There is no evidence that the etymology of the town of Nazareth comes from branch.
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sevenswords
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Zeal for my House is what Jesus had for the Father, He came to do his will and it consumed him body and soul.
It is widely known that Jesus was called a Nazarene by his Apostles and by others some today still Call Christians Nazarene’s.
3 possible answers:
1 [Isaiah 11:1]: “A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.” Hebrew was written with only consonants, and netser would have appeared as NZR —the same main consonants as Nazareth . In fact, in Aramaic, the common language of Jesus the word for “Nazareth” and the Hebrew word for “branch” sounded very much alike. Matthew’s point could be that Jesus was “sprouting up” from an obscure village in Galilee; Jesus was the Branch predicted by the prophets, and the name of the town He grew up in happens to sound just like the prophets’ word for “branch.
2 Or it’s possible Matthew is citing a prophecy not found in the Old Testament but in another source Like Jude quoting Enoch as is known in Jewish tradition under the name Sefer Hekhaloth
3 The prophecies that Matthew meant He shall be called a Nazarene” is something akin to “He shall be despised and mocked by His own people, again in Jesus’s day Nazareth was the lowest of all towns and if you came from there you got mocked more so if you rise above your station.
have you read any of the hundreds of prophecies fulfilled by Jesus? picking 2 very doggy arguments should not be a cause for concern for anyone given Jesus ticked all the boxes to be ticked and when he returns will fulfil the rest as he is to be King after he died for his people.
It is widely known that Jesus was called a Nazarene by his Apostles and by others some today still Call Christians Nazarene’s.
3 possible answers:
1 [Isaiah 11:1]: “A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.” Hebrew was written with only consonants, and netser would have appeared as NZR —the same main consonants as Nazareth . In fact, in Aramaic, the common language of Jesus the word for “Nazareth” and the Hebrew word for “branch” sounded very much alike. Matthew’s point could be that Jesus was “sprouting up” from an obscure village in Galilee; Jesus was the Branch predicted by the prophets, and the name of the town He grew up in happens to sound just like the prophets’ word for “branch.
2 Or it’s possible Matthew is citing a prophecy not found in the Old Testament but in another source Like Jude quoting Enoch as is known in Jewish tradition under the name Sefer Hekhaloth
3 The prophecies that Matthew meant He shall be called a Nazarene” is something akin to “He shall be despised and mocked by His own people, again in Jesus’s day Nazareth was the lowest of all towns and if you came from there you got mocked more so if you rise above your station.
have you read any of the hundreds of prophecies fulfilled by Jesus? picking 2 very doggy arguments should not be a cause for concern for anyone given Jesus ticked all the boxes to be ticked and when he returns will fulfil the rest as he is to be King after he died for his people.
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sevenswords
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Sorry I forgot to add (it’s a bit early for me)
Jesus became a sinner and a fool, that is correct he took on the sin of the world onto himself and was mocked spat on beaten and tortured by his captives who would have God dead.so he would fit this prophecy like no other has or will because no one ever took on the sin of the world and died a horrible death for it.
Jesus became a sinner and a fool, that is correct he took on the sin of the world onto himself and was mocked spat on beaten and tortured by his captives who would have God dead.so he would fit this prophecy like no other has or will because no one ever took on the sin of the world and died a horrible death for it.
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Jesus was a descendant of Jesse so it is a prophecy in that sense. The other one does have its parallels, but the connection to a fool and sinner doesn’t work, so it isn’t a prophecy.
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otrrl
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In these forums, people give a lot of answers seldom with citing sources, for verification purposes, etc. This is a good topic where some references would come in handy.
I think that PE Benedict XVI’s Jesus of Nazareth series is a good overview of how Jesus is the fulfillment of scripture, with lots of examples. Some editions of the King James Bible have a symbol by a prophetic verse which was fulfilled in Christ. Also, Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance (related to the KJV) has an appendix listing the prophecies that were fulfilled.
I’m not an academic person, so I can easily seem backwards at times, in not presenting the best evidence or the most direct answer. So, at the risk of being somewhat misleading, I have, but have not extensively studied, both the Mathew Henry’s Commentary and just about any Catholic study bible, which would generously provide cross-references to connecting verses in OT and NT which would indicate a fulfillment of prophecies.
A google search might bring up answers that are somewhat different, according to the background of the author.
I think that PE Benedict XVI’s Jesus of Nazareth series is a good overview of how Jesus is the fulfillment of scripture, with lots of examples. Some editions of the King James Bible have a symbol by a prophetic verse which was fulfilled in Christ. Also, Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance (related to the KJV) has an appendix listing the prophecies that were fulfilled.
I’m not an academic person, so I can easily seem backwards at times, in not presenting the best evidence or the most direct answer. So, at the risk of being somewhat misleading, I have, but have not extensively studied, both the Mathew Henry’s Commentary and just about any Catholic study bible, which would generously provide cross-references to connecting verses in OT and NT which would indicate a fulfillment of prophecies.
A google search might bring up answers that are somewhat different, according to the background of the author.
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Psalms62
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The criteria of choosing a King - Messiah was fulfilled:
the Lord has sought out a man after his own heart. 1 Samuel 13:14
27 He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ c ; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ d ”
For obedience is better than sacrifices: and to hearken rather than to offer the fat of rams. 1 Samuel 15:22
Because I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:38
16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
What is the will of God? To do justice
Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, 29 but I know him because I am from him and he sent me.”
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The Spirit of the Almighty Lord is with me
because the Lord has anointed me
to deliver good news to humble people.
He has sent me
to heal those who are brokenhearted,
to announce that captives will be set free
and prisoners will be released.
2 He has sent me
to announce the year of the Lord’s good will
and the day of our God’s vengeance,
to comfort all those who grieve.
3 He has sent me
to provide for all those who grieve in Zion,
to give them crowns instead of ashes,
the oil of joy instead of tears of grief,
and clothes of praise instead of a spirit of weakness.
They will be called Oaks of Righteousness,
the Plantings of the Lord,
so that he might display his glory.
4 They will rebuild the ancient ruins.
They will restore the places destroyed long ago.
They will renew the ruined cities, the places destroyed generations ago.
5 Foreigners will come forward and become shepherds for your flocks,
and children of foreigners will work your fields and vineyards.
6 You will be called the priests of the Lord.
You will be called the servants of our God.
You will consume the wealth of the nations.
You will boast in their splendor.
7 You will receive a double measure of wealth instead of your shame.
You will sing about your wealth instead of being disgraced.
That is why you will have a double measure of wealth in your land.
You will have everlasting joy.
8 I, the Lord, love justice.
I hate robbery and wrongdoing.
I will faithfully reward my people’s work.
I will make an everlasting promise[a] to them.
9 Then their offspring will be known among the nations
and their descendants among the people.
Everyone who sees them will recognize
that they are the descendants whom the Lord has blessed.
the Lord has sought out a man after his own heart. 1 Samuel 13:14
27 He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ c ; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ d ”
For obedience is better than sacrifices: and to hearken rather than to offer the fat of rams. 1 Samuel 15:22
Because I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:38
16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
What is the will of God? To do justice
Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, 29 but I know him because I am from him and he sent me.”
*******,
The Spirit of the Almighty Lord is with me
because the Lord has anointed me
to deliver good news to humble people.
He has sent me
to heal those who are brokenhearted,
to announce that captives will be set free
and prisoners will be released.
2 He has sent me
to announce the year of the Lord’s good will
and the day of our God’s vengeance,
to comfort all those who grieve.
3 He has sent me
to provide for all those who grieve in Zion,
to give them crowns instead of ashes,
the oil of joy instead of tears of grief,
and clothes of praise instead of a spirit of weakness.
They will be called Oaks of Righteousness,
the Plantings of the Lord,
so that he might display his glory.
4 They will rebuild the ancient ruins.
They will restore the places destroyed long ago.
They will renew the ruined cities, the places destroyed generations ago.
5 Foreigners will come forward and become shepherds for your flocks,
and children of foreigners will work your fields and vineyards.
6 You will be called the priests of the Lord.
You will be called the servants of our God.
You will consume the wealth of the nations.
You will boast in their splendor.
7 You will receive a double measure of wealth instead of your shame.
You will sing about your wealth instead of being disgraced.
That is why you will have a double measure of wealth in your land.
You will have everlasting joy.
8 I, the Lord, love justice.
I hate robbery and wrongdoing.
I will faithfully reward my people’s work.
I will make an everlasting promise[a] to them.
9 Then their offspring will be known among the nations
and their descendants among the people.
Everyone who sees them will recognize
that they are the descendants whom the Lord has blessed.
Tis_Bearself
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Which is why I cited the Gospel of Matthew, and Scott Hahn, both of which are reliable sources for a Catholic.
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ConstantLearner
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Quite true. One can comb through the Hebrew Bible and force a passage to fit in with the ministry of Jesus, no matter how ambiguous.
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Mike_from_NJ
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I’ve already listed one passage in Matthew which claims to reference a prophecy that does not exist. Here are a few more passages from Matthew that some people erroneously cite as fulfillment of prophecy.
Of note, I’m cribbing from a gentleman online who goes by the name ProfMTH. Part 1. Part 2.
Matthew 27:9-10 is the tailend of the story of Judas. He regretted getting Jesus arrested and threw his 30 pieces of silver into the temple. He then went and killed himself.
No such passage is in Jeremiah. Before you say that Jeremiah spoke but didn’t write it down, Matthew makes 20 references to “that which was spoken” and 18 of those times the reference can be found in scripture. Suspiciously this is not one of them.
Matthew 1:22-23 says:
Isaiah 7:14 says:
Also that passage in Isaiah is not a messianic prophecy.
Matthew 2:14-15 is talking about Jesus
Hosea 11:1 is talking about Israel
This is all not to say that there are not messianic prophecies, but Matthew is one of the worst places to find them.
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Tis_Bearself
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If you’re going to argue that Matthew is somehow making it up, then we’re done here, it’s canon.
I simply presume there were oral traditions not written down.
I simply presume there were oral traditions not written down.
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Mike_from_NJ
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Just because it’s canon doesn’t make it true. You would agree with me that the canon of Islamic scripture as a whole is not accurate.
The OP is asking what Jesus fulfilled in scripture. I’m pointing out that more than a few messianic prophecies that it’s claimed he fulfilled simply were not.
That’s the whole point of the Apologetics sub-forum, to answer questions people have (including the OP, who is a Catholic). Claims of prophecy that can’t withstand scrutiny using the words of the Bible itself should be cast aside. Most Catholics would agree with that.
The OP is asking what Jesus fulfilled in scripture. I’m pointing out that more than a few messianic prophecies that it’s claimed he fulfilled simply were not.
That’s the whole point of the Apologetics sub-forum, to answer questions people have (including the OP, who is a Catholic). Claims of prophecy that can’t withstand scrutiny using the words of the Bible itself should be cast aside. Most Catholics would agree with that.
Tis_Bearself
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And I am disagreeing with you.
You’re entitled to your opinion (with which I usually disagree anyway).
You have no idea what “most Catholics” think. I’m pretty sure “most Catholics” don’t even care about this issue. “Most Catholics” are not Bible scholars to begin with, nor are “most Catholics” experts in (or even interested in) apologetics, and they accept the Gospels.
Also, many Catholics believe all kinds of prophecies from private revelation alone that have nothing to do with the “Bible itself”.
You’re entitled to your opinion (with which I usually disagree anyway).
You have no idea what “most Catholics” think. I’m pretty sure “most Catholics” don’t even care about this issue. “Most Catholics” are not Bible scholars to begin with, nor are “most Catholics” experts in (or even interested in) apologetics, and they accept the Gospels.
Also, many Catholics believe all kinds of prophecies from private revelation alone that have nothing to do with the “Bible itself”.
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Mike_from_NJ
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I have no problems with anyone disagreeing with me. I am bringing evidence to the table. I ask that if you wish to dispute what I say then please bring counter-evidence to the table.
I find it strange to be dismissing the topic out of hand as unimportant, despite:
- It was a question asked by a Roman Catholic.
- It’s on a message board designed to get answers to questions about Catholicism.
- It was important enough a topic that you posted to the OP that he should check out Scott Hahn’s "“A Father Who Keeps His Promises”
You yourself listed Scott Hahn as someone to be trusted on this topic. If it’s good enough for a sterling member of the faith to discuss, it’s then good enough for people – believers and not – to investigate and, in some cases, question its accuracy.
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JohnR77
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Matthew 27:9-10 …
No such passage is in Jeremiah. …reference can be found in scripture. Suspiciously this is not one of them.
Matthew 1:22-23 says: …
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Hi,
You would do well to study
typology.
Also see Examples of Typology
Your difficulty is the result of insisting on exact parallels.
No type in the OT can be an exact parallel.
Please check out the NAB notes below.
If I did this right you should be able to see the Scripture text Pop UP.
If you are using a smart phone I suggest that you do not enlarge text more that 120%.
Thanks for showing me this web site. I hopefully learned a new trick today.
(Do I get a Treat?
I like chocolate.)
I hope this helps.
God bless
John
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