What did Jesus have "at stake"?

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Hi, all. Here are some unstructured thoughts on Jesus, and what he had at stake when he became human.

Firstly, Jesus never sinned. Indeed, he could not allow the possibility of sin, for the sake of his own existence. This is why he had to reject Satan in the desert. Had he succumbed to the smallest of temptations (say, throwing himself off the cliff so the angels could catch him), Satan would have had a victory over him. He had staked his whole being on this. If he had sinned even once, he could not have been resurrected and would have simply stayed dead for all time, and so would we all.
Needless to say, it would have dire implications for the entire of creation if God were capable of sin.
And just think what a demonstration it was that he avoided sin on every occasion. Wow!
This is the key to his sacrifice: he died without needing to, and received God’s grace without needing it (he hadn’t sinned).
How much greater, then, the giving of that grace to all sinners.
His death was the sacrifice of the truly innocent, made more poignant by the fact that it was at the hands of those he came to save.
Secondly, he went to his death not knowing the outcome. He thought his Father had abandonded him. He had prayed that the “cup” be taken from him, but still bent to his father’s will (note: his father’s will, not his own). He was terrified of death, probably thinking it might be the end of him. He gave up his spirit to his father, placing complete faith in God’s grace and good judgement. His resurrection was, therefore, a complete justification and a vindication of his whole “human quest”. Take away the sin, and you take away the death.

You could always take the attitude that he was God, and therefore sin was never going to be an issue. But I think this misses the point: he had to be tempted—genuinely tempted in the flesh, such as Satan’s promise of untold wealth—in order to overcome sin. I mean, if it was all predestined and there was never any risk to him, then that makes it a token gesture, a walk in the park. My thinking is that he faced real risks, and probably placed his entire being (human and divine) on the line.

Anyway, there it is—some of it is standard Catholic teaching, some not. I get that. I just like reasoning my way through important things like this.
 
Hi Hansard,

I thought that you posed an interesting question in the name of the topic.

In my opinion, what the Lord had “at stake” was us, the whole human race. He wanted to share Himself with us, and to be with us, and for us to be with Him in heaven. None of that was possible unless He came to our rescue.

It also gives the Lord bragging rights over Satan. He can point out to Satan that mere men, who are lesser beings than the angels (Psalm 8:6), have become superior to him by loving and obeying the Lord.

As a side note, you said that the Lord “…went to his death not knowing the outcome.” I disagree with you because in John 10:17-18 the Lord says:

“…I lay down my life, that I may take it again. No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself. And I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received from my Father” (DRV).

It sounds to me like our Lord Jesus knew exactly what would be the outcome.

Michelle
 
Thanks for the reply, Michelle.
Yes, you are right about that John passage. There are also other scriptural references which hint at the resurrection (I think Jesus himself mentioned the “rebuilding of the temple in three days”), but my point was–at the last moments, when his death approached, it seems pretty clear that he had just about given up hope. Why, after all, would he say, “God, why have you abondoned me?” if he knew that resurrection was just around the corner? Was it just his fear of physical death? Was it something more pressing or ominous? Something spiritual?
 
Hi Hansard,

I also have wondered about God the Father “forsaking” or “abandoning” God the Son. I know that the line “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” is the opening line to Psalm 22 (Psalm 21 in the Douay-Rheims), which foretells the Lord’s Passion and the conversion of the Gentiles, but I also wonder whether the Lord felt like He had been abandoned by His Father.

If He was like us in all things except sin, as St. Paul says, I suppose that He did have to feel like He was abandoned at some point in His earthly life.

Perhaps God the Father withdrew from some spiritual connection that He and Jesus shared.

Michelle
 
Hi Hansard,

I thought that you posed an interesting question in the name of the topic.

In my opinion, what the Lord had “at stake” was us, the whole human race. He wanted to share Himself with us, and to be with us, and for us to be with Him in heaven. None of that was possible unless He came to our rescue.

It also gives the Lord bragging rights over Satan. He can point out to Satan that mere men, who are lesser beings than the angels (Psalm 8:6), have become superior to him by loving and obeying the Lord.

As a side note, you said that the Lord “…went to his death not knowing the outcome.” I disagree with you because in John 10:17-18 the Lord says:

“…I lay down my life, that I may take it again. No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself. And I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received from my Father” (DRV).

It sounds to me like our Lord Jesus knew exactly what would be the outcome.

Michelle
Our Lord knew what His mission was but being human He was not immune to temptation and doubt. We cannot assume that when He uttered that terrible cry of apparent despair on the Cross it was simply in order to fulfil the prophecy. It is difficult to understand how He could have shared our humanity to the full - even to the depths of desolation - unless He was only aware of His Sonship on special occasions like the Transfiguration…
 
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