What Did Jesus Really Look Like? Article Provides Some Information

[JulianN]

The visions received were of Jesus, His Mother, and Her parents over two thousand years ago. So, she did see what they looked like then. And, these revelations and more are available to all for reading.

But you understand that no one is obligated to believe them, right? Even if the Church rules them to be worthy of belief, they’re still private. For example, you can be a good Catholic and not believe that Mary appeared at Fatima or Lourdes.

 

[Lunam_Meam]

Lunam_Meam:

The visions received were of Jesus, His Mother, and Her parents over two thousand years ago. So, she did see what they looked like then. And, these revelations and more are available to all for reading.

But you understand that no one is obligated to believe them, right? Even if the Church rules them to be worthy of belief, they’re still private. For example, you can be a good Catholic and not believe that Mary appeared at Fatima or Lourdes.

If I read revelations claiming to be from God, or see or read about miracles at Fatima, Lourdes, and Medjugorge, and after discernment I know it’s from God, I’ll believe them whether the Church officially approves or not.

And, while the revelations I read were dictated to one person, it doesn’t mean they were only for that person. She was just the “pen of God”, but the revelations are for the Catholic Church, and all the lay faithful.

 

[TMC]

The visions received were of Jesus, His Mother, and Her parents over two thousand years ago. So, she did see what they looked like then. And, these revelations and more are available to all for reading.

I don’t see that it matters what setting the visions were in. I do notice that you have been careful not to identify the visions. Why is that?

 

[AlbMagno]

I understand Lunam_Meam point, there is a sort of logical inconsistency in Private Revelations when the Church says we can believe them (they may be true) but the content of the Private Revelation is God (or a Saint) saying that we must tell all the world of it (it must be true, as God doesn’t lie).

That said, that approach, though inconsistent, it’s the best the Church can do in this world.

 

[JulianN]

If I read revelations claiming to be from God, or see or read about miracles at Fatima, Lourdes, and Medjugorge, and after discernment I know it’s from God, I’ll believe them whether the Church officially approves or not.

And, while the revelations I read were dictated to one person, it doesn’t mean they were only for that person. She was just the “pen of God”, but the revelations are for the Catholic Church, and all the lay faithful.

Sure, you can, but no one else must. So, for example, you may choose to believe that Jesus had light hair and eyes, but that does not mean he actually did. It is not appropriate to state that as if it is truth; it remains opinion and personal belief.

 

[Lunam_Meam]

Lunam_Meam:

JulianN:

But you understand that no one is obligated to believe them, right? Even if the Church rules them to be worthy of belief, they’re still private. For example, you can be a good Catholic and not believe that Mary appeared at Fatima or Lourdes.

If I read revelations claiming to be from God, or see or read about miracles at Fatima, Lourdes, and Medjugorge, and after discernment I know it’s from God, I’ll believe them whether the Church officially approves or not.

Sure, you can, but no one else must. So, for example, you may choose to believe that Jesus had light hair and eyes, but that does not mean he actually did. It is not appropriate to state that as if it is truth; it remains opinion and personal belief.

If I know Jesus and His Mother looked thus, why would it be inappropriate for me to state it as Truth? It’d be inappropriate for me to state it as anything but what I know it is.

God gave humans a free will, so others can do as they will with these revelations.

 

[JulianN]

I know Jesus and His Mother looked thus, so why would it be inappropriate for me to state it as Truth? It’d be inappropriate for me to state it as anything but what I know it is.

God gave us free will, others can think and do as they will with these revelations.

Because you don’t know. You may believe that is true, but that is simply your opinion.

For example, the Church has declared several Marian apparitions as worthy of belief. But Our Lady of Lourdes and Our Lady of Guadalupe do not appear physically identical.

 

[Lunam_Meam]

JulianN:

Lunam_Meam:

If I read revelations claiming to be from God, or see or read about miracles at Fatima, Lourdes, and Medjugorge, and after discernment I know it’s from God, I’ll believe them whether the Church officially approves or not.

Sure, you can, but no one else must. So, for example, you may choose to believe that Jesus had light hair and eyes, but that does not mean he actually did. It is not appropriate to state that as if it is truth; it remains opinion and personal belief.

If I know Jesus and His Mother looked thus, why would it be inappropriate for me to state it as Truth? It’d be inappropriate for me to state it as anything but what I know it is.

God gave humans a free will, so others can do as they will with these revelations.

Because you don’t know. You may believe that is true, but that is simply your opinion.

For example, the Church has declared several Marian apparitions as worthy of belief. But Our Lady of Lourdes and Our Lady of Guadalupe do not appear physically identical.

I do know, and you can only speak for yourself. So, if you want to say that you don’t know, then say that.

As for The Blessed Virgin Mary, She was born and lived with the physical appearance I described on earth, but if God wills, She can change Her appearance for whatever purpose that may be.

 

[Lunam_Meam]

I don’t see that it matters what setting the visions were in.

It matters for accuracy.

 

[JulianN]

I do know, and you can only speak for yourself. So, if you want to say that you don’t know, then say that.

Let me rephrase it – your statement violates Church teaching on private revelation. You may believe that you know, but the Church does not accept that. Nor is anyone else bound to. Because I’m guessing St. Junipero Serra and St. Bernadette would also say they knew – and yet their experiences were different.

 

[TMC]

It matters for accuracy.

No. What I mean is that, given that there have been many apparitions of Jesus and Mary, and that those apparitions do not agree as to Jesus’ and Mary’s appearance, why would this one apparition supposedly be the only one to get their appearance correct? It seems obvious to me that people generally see Jesus and Mary in a way that makes sense to them or is comfortable for them, and there is no reason to think this apparition is different.

Even if you were correct, why would Jesus and Mary be tall, light skinned, light eyed people with light eyes? Are you saying that God miraculously made Jesus and Mary look different than other Semitic people of their time and place? Why would that be?

 

[Jeanne_S]

This depiction isn’t that far off of what the overwhelming depictions of Jesus present. In the e d,does it really matter.He is Our Lord and God,therefore beautiful!

 

[Lunam_Meam]

Let me rephrase it – your statement violates Church teaching on private revelation. You may believe that you know, but the Church does not accept that. Nor is anyone else bound to. Because I’m guessing St. Junipero Serra and St. Bernadette would also say they knew – and yet their experiences were different.

The Catholic Church is made up of humans, who are not always free from error. So, I’d be remiss to think they’re always infallible in thought and action, and blindly accept without discernment, and guidance by the Holy Spirit. I know what I’ve spoken to be Truth. And, again, God gave humans a free will, so others can do as they will with these revelations.

As for St. Junipero and St. Bernadette, you’ll need to get specific about what was different in their experiences.

 

[Lunam_Meam]

No. What I mean is that, given that there have been many apparitions of Jesus and Mary, and that those apparitions do not agree as to Jesus’ and Mary’s appearance, why would this one apparition supposedly be the only one to get their appearance correct? It seems obvious to me that people generally see Jesus and Mary in a way that makes sense to them or is comfortable for them, and there is no reason to think this apparition is different.

Even if you were correct, why would Jesus and Mary be tall, light skinned, light eyed people with light eyes? Are you saying that God miraculously made Jesus and Mary look different than other Semitic people of their time and place? Why would that be?

Jesus and His Mother were born and lived with a certain appearance on earth, and there’s a certain depiction I know to be Truth, and it’s very detailed. I also know there’s other people who’ve seen Jesus or the Blessed Virgin since their ascension to Heaven, and therefore if they looked different, for whatever purpose, those who really saw them, and spoke or wrote about it are correct in how they described them too. But, again, in regards to how they looked on earth, there’s a certain depiction I know to be Truth, but I understand physical appearances is not something we all need to agree on.

 

[JulianN]

We are clearly going around in circles, so I’ll leave this.

For anyone who comes upon this thread, it’s important to note that what @Lunam_Meam is stating does not reflect Church teaching in any way, is not incumbent on anyone to believe, and is opinion only – definitely not Truth.

Even if the Church decides the revelations were worthy of belief, it does not mean they are real or true, nor that anyone is obliged to believe they are.

 

[Lunam_Meam]

We are clearly going around in circles, so I’ll leave this.

For anyone who comes upon this thread, it’s important to note that what @Lunam_Meam is stating does not reflect Church teaching in any way, is not incumbent on anyone to believe, and is opinion only – definitely not Truth.

The private revelations I read are still awaiting an official decision one way or the other, but they do have multiple Imprimaturs, so it’s available to the public. Whatever the Catholic Church officially rules, if ever, because it’s been decades already, it’s made up of humans, who are not always free from error. So, I’d be remiss to think they’re always infallible in thought and action, and blindly accept without discernment, and guidance by the Holy Spirit. I know the private revelations I read are from God, and He gave humans a free will, so others can do as they will with them.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

Whatever the Catholic Church officially rules, if ever, because it’s been decades already, it’s made up of humans, who are not always free from error.

The Church instituted by Christ could be wrong, but the idea that your own discernment about these unspecified revelations is definitely correct?

 

[TMC]

We are clearly going around in circles, so I’ll leave this.

Yep, me too.

 

[Lunam_Meam]

Lunam_Meam:

Whatever the Catholic Church officially rules, if ever, because it’s been decades already, it’s made up of humans, who are not always free from error.

The Church instituted by Christ could be wrong, but the idea that your own discernment about these unspecified revelations is definitely correct?

I don’t know if the Catholic Church is wrong yet, because they haven’t made an official ruling one way or the other on the revelations I speak of. The writings have only been issued multiple Imprimaturs, and personal endorsements from officials within the Church, many lay faithful, etc, since their publication.

No matter what the Catholic Church officially rules, if ever, it’s by God’s Grace alone that I, among others, recognize these revelations as that of God. And, it’s my prayer that those within and outside the Church who actively try to suppress them have a change of heart, and that those who endorse the work, including myself, heed what they have read.

Our God is a living God, and He communicates with His creation, even to this day. I think before we focus on which revelations are of God, and which are not, we must first really focus on that God is a living God. He’s not confined to the Bible. The Words and actions of a living, eternal God cannot be confined to any book.

The Catholic Church is the Church instituted by Christ, but it is still made up of humans, susceptible to the attacks and lies of Satan until the Lord returns. We’re not always going to agree with each other, or that of our leaders, but as long as we pray for each other, come together for the miracle of the Eucharist, and agree that obedience to God in charity is essential, then that is most important.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

I don’t think we’re making any headway here, so I’ll quit poking.

Last question: don’t you think it’s at least odd that God would enter the world incarnate in first century Palestine, but randomly have the appearance of someone from Germany? Doesn’t that seem a bit off? Why would Christ have a physical appearance so unusual for the time and place in which He was born? What would be the point?

Does it strike you that the people having these revelatory visions where Jesus was looked like a Swedish person always seemed to hail from Western Europe? Could it be that maybe they were projecting their own expectations onto what Christ would have looked like, since most of them probably only ever encountered other white Europeans?

I know you’re not going to be convinced because you think Gods confirmed this to you, but you have to see the issues here.