What did Jesus sacrifice?

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In trying to clarify my faith, one rather large obstacle for me is the question of what did Jesus actually sacrifice? Being divine, and knowing God’s plan for him, Jesus knew that he would be restored in Heaven, so the act of dying held no risk for him. I understand he suffered, but there have been thousands since that have suffered pain and humiliation on faith, without the absolute knowledge of what their afterlife would be.
 
In trying to clarify my faith, one rather large obstacle for me is the question of what did Jesus actually sacrifice? Being divine, and knowing God’s plan for him, Jesus knew that he would be restored in Heaven, so the act of dying held no risk for him. I understand he suffered, but there have been thousands since that have suffered pain and humiliation on faith, without the absolute knowledge of what their afterlife would be.
Let us not forget that sinless, spotless Jesus willingly carried the sins of the world.

This is beyond bearing.

Only God Almighty could do such a selfless and heroic act.

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Thank you for your response, but that brings up one of my next big mental obstacles - What effect would carrying the sins of the world have on Jesus? He cannot lose his state of grace, his communion with God. He could feel mankind’s pain of separation from God, but as God, already would have been feeling that pain of separation. How could Jesus experience the pain of separation from God, while being God?
 
I understand your confusion but we need to understand besides being Divine, Jesus was also fully human. That means that emotionally and physically he felt the terror and the physical pain that went along with an exceptionally painful death. Even on the cross Jesus cried out asking the Father why he Had abandoned him. Have no doubt that what Jesus suffered was the very same we would suffer if it had happened to us.
Every time I think about that and realize that it was my sins that caused his suffering I want to go to my knees and thank Him and promise that from now on I want only to be of service to my Lord.
 
I understand your confusion but we need to understand besides being Divine, Jesus was also fully human. That means that emotionally and physically he felt the terror and the physical pain that went along with an exceptionally painful death. Even on the cross Jesus cried out asking the Father why he Had abandoned him. Have no doubt that what Jesus suffered was the very same we would suffer if it had happened to us.
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Probably worse, because HE was a completely perfect being and therefore could absorb more suffering. Many of us would have died from fear in the Gethsemane, or under the scourging, our minds and bodies being flawed as HIS were not.

His human mind, like ours, learned and knew by experience. Having not experienced death as a human being, HIS mind would have suffered every bit the fear of death you and I would have.

ICXC NIKA
 
His human mind, like ours, learned and knew by experience. Having not experienced death as a human being, HIS mind would have suffered every bit the fear of death you and I would have.
And yet he knew that it was VERY temporary…he ever mentioned that to the robber on the cross next to him: “Today you’ll be with me in paradise”

By your teachings, jesus was completely human as well as completely divine, so he suffered as a human would have suffered, yes, but he also knew that he was going to be having a party in his honour pretty darn soon.

It detracts from the severity of the sacrifice, and even if it doesn’t detract from the physical pain, mentally he had comfort and assurances that we wouldn’t have.
Even in the little while when god left him, he still knew that he was going to be in heaven soon. Yeah, he might have felt alone, but he had the knowledge.

It’s a very good and valid point that the OP brought up.
 
Some seem to forget that we are mortal beings with limited and finite reasoning and imagination.

To us, in that limited state, it might ‘appear’ that Jesus, in ‘knowing’ that His sufferings were only ‘temporary’ and He would be glorified etc., would suffer ‘less’ than a ‘normal’ human being.

Uh-uh.

Of course, we can’t even imagine being God. . .but somebody once said for even a tiny idea of the difference between picturing yourself as the noble human who suffers ‘as much’ as Christ and ‘without the assurance’. . .

Picture yourself as suddenly becoming not a human, not even a ‘noble’ creature like a horse. . .but becoming ‘bacteria’. Completely ‘stripped’ of all that you knew and could do as a human, you would become something that most people would kind of ‘shudder’ at and think of as insignificant or even hideous. You’d have all the ‘knowledge’ of being human once but you would be physically nothing but bacteria. But you do this in order to take on the sins of ALL bacteria that ever were or will be–of ‘things’ that as a human you would not even perhaps want to ‘save’. . .and in the way that you ‘die’ as a bacteria you undergo unspeakable agony. Not only that, though ‘some’ of the bacteria will indeed be ‘saved’, the vast majority of that bacteria will keep on damning itself.

Then after some period of time, you get to ‘be a human’ again.

Now, do you really think that what you went through was such a piece of cake that any old human’s death is as ‘valid’ as yours was for the bacteria?

And above all, remember, that you dying for bacteria is still millions, billions, quadrillions of times LESS salvific in its action than Christ dying for YOU.
 
In trying to clarify my faith, one rather large obstacle for me is the question of what did Jesus actually sacrifice? Being divine, and knowing God’s plan for him, Jesus knew that he would be restored in Heaven, so the act of dying held no risk for him. I understand he suffered, but there have been thousands since that have suffered pain and humiliation on faith, without the absolute knowledge of what their afterlife would be.
It would seem that you are making the argument that since Jesus was God he had an advantage in knowing and power that a human would not, and this is true. C. S Lewis answered this question this way.

If you were drowning in a river and someone was trying to save you with one foot on the ground and reaching for you, would you complain “no fair, you have one foot on dry land”? The person having this advantage is precisely what enables him to save you.

The same it is with Jesus, His divine humble, vulnerable and risky love that he embraces us from the cross is exactly what enables Him to save us.
 
Tantum ergo - I had read the first couple of replies earlier, followed the link to the catechism selection, and gone away to ponder. What I had come up with, was very near your analogy. If I as human, decided to become a carthorse, knowing I would have a life of heavy labour, and suffer cruelty at the hands of others, but would in some way help prevent other cart horses from suffering, then even knowing that I would return to being human, would not mean that I had to do it. It was a choice to suffer.

I may not yet fully understand the significance of Jesus’s sacrifice, but the points raised are helping me get past, sorry for the bluntness, my earlier state of “Big friggin’ deal”.
 
He suffered nothing. Omnipotent beings do not suffer.
He was an omnipotent being, but also a human being. Thus HE could choose to suffer, and HE had the body to do it in, and the human mind to fully experience it.

ICXC NIKA
 
He was an omnipotent being, but also a human being. Thus HE could choose to suffer, and HE had the body to do it in, and the human mind to fully experience it.
And he had the beatific vision to know exactly how long it’s still going to be and what’s going to happen when it’s over.
Also, since he had all his god-knowldege intact, being infinite and all (allegedly), a few hours of suffering is totally infantessimally insignificant, compared to his total life’s experience and duration.
The fact that he was also god (again allegedly) detracts very much from the suffering.

Addition: Tantum Ergo can also use this in answer to his/her post
 
Bear Claw, having a baby hurts like hell. And knowing that it all will be over “soon” doesn’t make the suffering any less while going through it.
 
Bear Claw, having a baby hurts like hell. And knowing that it all will be over “soon” doesn’t make the suffering any less while going through it.
Of course not, and I never claimed that it did. But you do know that it will be over soon and you do know the joy that the baby will bring (Or anticipate it, at least). And that makes the suffering worth while and you look forward to the times ahead.
jesus’s suffering was like that, only he had **total **knowledge of what was to come for him after death with certainty, not only with unconfirmed anticipation.

You can’t compare jesus’ suffering to any human’s suffering because of this fact, for starters, as well as the other points I mentioned, like god’s lifetime vs. human lifetime, etc.

Of course this is all speculation anyway, based upon unconfirmed hearsay, but that’s another thread 🙂
 
Of course not, and I never claimed that it did.
You didn’t? You said “The fact that he was also god detracts very much from the suffering.” I’m saying that it doesn’t. Because Jesus was fully human he had the full capability to experience human pain. Knowing that He was suffering that pain for the salvation of the world and that it wouldn’t last long compared to eternity doesn’t reduce His very real human suffering.

You also said “It detracts from the severity of the sacrifice, and even if it doesn’t detract from the physical pain, mentally he had comfort and assurances that we wouldn’t have.” I disagree. People suffer horrific pain and sacrifice with strength and determination because they believe something good will come out of it. That knowledge does not detract from the pain.
 
He was an omnipotent being, but also a human being. Thus HE could choose to suffer, and HE had the body to do it in, and the human mind to fully experience it.

ICXC NIKA
Well suffering by choice is kinda futile. No point to it.
 
You are all missing the point. It’s pointless to try to measure to the nth degree exactly how much pain Jesus suffered, given his divinity and pain threshold. He was a sacrifice in much the same way that the passover lamb was a sacrifice. Jesus’ death was an offering of the unblemished Lamb of God in atonement for our sins. The Jewish people had many rituals where the sacrifice of some animal was required. The animals that were sacrificed didn’t feel any pain (or any more than necessary) because they wouldn’t be fit for the ritual if they did. So the pain is not what is required. That fact that Jesus voluntarily submitted to excrutiating torture is further proof of his love. If he didn’t feel anything at all, we wouldn’t think much of it (as indicated by previous posters). Again, it wasn’t the pain that was the sacrifice, it was the act of dying itself that completed the sacrifice.
 
You are all missing the point. It’s pointless to try to measure to the nth degree exactly how much pain Jesus suffered, given his divinity and pain threshold. He was a sacrifice in much the same way that the passover lamb was a sacrifice. Jesus’ death was an offering of the unblemished Lamb of God in atonement for our sins. The Jewish people had many rituals where the sacrifice of some animal was required. The animals that were sacrificed didn’t feel any pain (or any more than necessary) because they wouldn’t be fit for the ritual if they did. So the pain is not what is required. That fact that Jesus voluntarily submitted to excrutiating torture is further proof of his love. If he didn’t feel anything at all, we wouldn’t think much of it (as indicated by previous posters). Again, it wasn’t the pain that was the sacrifice, it was the act of dying itself that completed the sacrifice.
Not much point to dying when you can get rezzed so easily.
 
In trying to clarify my faith, one rather large obstacle for me is the question of what did Jesus actually sacrifice?
His life as a man.
Being divine, and knowing God’s plan for him, Jesus knew that he would be restored in Heaven, so the act of dying held no risk for him.
I disagree; the risk involved for Jesus had nothing to do with His foreknowledge the risk for Him was that He suffered His passion in vain.
 
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