What did Luther believe?

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As I’m not willing to allow some to say that Luther was the cause or contributed to the brutality of the nazis, neither am I willing to let the charge be applied to Catholics. While I understand what you’re saying, the fact is that Hitler and the nazis did not act like Chrisitans
Totally agree with ya. My question had to do with something completely different, though.

Didn’t it? A question about Catholic identity as I recall. From what I’ve been told, sinful behavior makes one a bad Catholic, but it doesn’t make one not a Catholic.
 
Totally agree with ya. My question had to do with something completely different, though.

Didn’t it? A question about Catholic identity as I recall. From what I’ve been told, sinful behavior makes one a bad Catholic, but it doesn’t make one not a Catholic.
Yes, I said I understood what you were saying. I just think it is very important we be clear, making a distinction between what you are talking about - baptized Catholic, always Catholic - and what I wrote about.

Jon
 
Yes, I said I understood what you were saying. I just think it is very important we be clear, making a distinction between what you are talking about - baptized Catholic, always Catholic - and what I wrote about.

Jon
Ah… yes. Of course.

I’m curious to see the replies. Concerning both.
 
In all seriousness, though, what about “once Catholic, always Catholic”? I’ve heard that more times than I can count. Wouldn’t that apply? If not, why?
Certainly baptism leaves an indelible mark. Or if you like, there is no such thing as a former catholic. But as I said, saying “Hitler was catholic” is as deceptively incomplete as saying “Satan is an angel.” Both are true statements, but both leave out crucial facts without which the statement is innately deceptive.

In fairness, the poster who wrote that has clarified his stance and assured us that he didn’t mean to imply that Catholicism significantly shaped Hitler’s development. I accept that and understand where he’s coming from. It’s a true point that anti-Semitism is far older than Luther and has complex roots. But it’s also a true criticism that Luther’s overall life impact did nothing to improve the situation and perhaps made it slightly worse. That doesn’t disprove his faith, it just demonstrates a fact he clearly understood: we all need a Savior.
 
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