What did Mary go through? - the Seven Sorrows

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SIA said:
Instead of several Catholics ganging up on one Protestant again to force their rhetoric upon them, why don’t you just take what I said at face value. Is Mary so important you that it overshadows our Lord and Savior? Get it… Jesus is God, Mary is not.
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where did you get the idea that for Catholics Mary overshadows Jesus. Jesus is our Lord and Savior. just because we meditate on Mary and the life of Jesus does not mean she overshadows Jesus. why are you afraid to open up your heart to her? Mary is a blessed Mother, she is not God.
 
Good_Fella said:
What offends our Lord is your cold indifference to his mother. He is not so jealous of her as you make him out to be. When we contemplate on our Blessed Mother’s spiritual sufferings, we are drawn through her to a contemplation of the physical sufferings of our Lord. We reflect on our Lord’s sufferings together with her just as John had at the foot of the cross. And we are reminded by Mary’s spiritual pain how much we should love her Son as she did. On the cross Jesus gave us his mother to be our spiritual mother. So our Lord expects us to honour her feelings as well in union with his sufferings.

If you step into a Catholic church you will find an altar at the front and behind it an image of Jesus hanging on the cross. Encircling the interior of a church are fourteen fixtures that comprise the Stations of the Cross used for devotional ceremonies and practices. One cannot help but focus on the Passion and Death of Christ while in a Catholic church. I can’t say much for Reformed Fundamentalist churches that have nothing but bare walls resembling lecture rooms where people gather just to think about Jesus while listening to a long drawn sermon intermingled with a few hymns. At Holy Mass we ‘worship’ the Lamb of God who is really present body blood soul and divinty in the Eucharist. In the celebration of the Eucharist we become absorbed in our Lord’s Passion and Death much more than any Protestant can ever hope to be by just sitting in his pew licking his index finger and flipping pages back and forth as the pastor spouts his rhetoric for over an hour.

Calvin launched a blitzkrieg in which his rabble stormed into Catholic churches and tore down and demolished the sacred images of our Lord on the cross. The mobs went so far as to desecrate the Holy Eucharist - the body and blood of Christ . It goes to show what little reverence he had for our suffering Lord. He tried to remove Jesus from the corrupt physical world and contain him in his own mind as an individual alone and apart from the rest of the world. A gnostic gesture. Just hearing and thinking about Jesus is not really worshipping him. You can sit there in your pew and just think about Jesus for what it’s worth. I prefer to kneel before him at the altar and adore his real presence before I receive Him body blood soul and divinity.

PAX :bowdown:
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Show me one shred of of your rhetoric that is supported by Scripture. This is the problem with Catholicism, it is church before God and church trumps Scripture. You are drowning in your own knowledge because none of it searches out Christ.
 
SIA said:
The Bible practically shouts out the trinity. Does it shout out to venerate Mary? I don’t think so.
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BUT THE WORD IS NOT IN THERE. It is different if the bible shouts it out? The bible also shouts out the Mother of Christ, yet you reject the importance associated with her.

And the church (again) came before the New Testament. Remember that. Jesus didn’t tell Peter to write a book, but start his church. The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church.
1Tim. 3:15.
 
churchcamefirst said:
And the church (again) came before the New Testament. Remember that. Jesus didn’t tell Peter to write a book, but start his church. The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church.
1Tim. 3:15.
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And you know that from a letter that Paul wrote…
Or something someone else wrote a little bit later…
The irony…
 
Rightlydivide said:
And you know that from a letter that Paul wrote…
Or something someone else wrote a little bit later…
The irony…
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**No, they are Jesus Christ’s own words. Jesus clearly states the word “church”. **
 
churchcamefirst said:
**No, they are Jesus Christ’s own words. Jesus clearly states the word “church”. **
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You seem to be talking about the writing in a negative sense. You know what Jesus stated because they wrote it. They wrote a book. That is what everyone significant around him did. What you know for sure is because they wrote it.
 
Rightlydivide said:
You seem to be talking about the writing in a negative sense. You know what Jesus stated because they wrote it. They wrote a book. That is what everyone significant around him did.
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No sir, nothing negative about Christ telling Peter “THOU ART PETER, AND UPON THIS ROCK I GIVE YOU THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM AND YOU SHALL START MY CHURCH”.
What is negative about this?

Answer these questions for me please:
  1. Did Jesus Christ found the bible or the church?
  2. What is the Pillar and Foundation of truth?
  3. Who or what is the final authority?
  4. For what did Christ give himself up?
  5. What is it that Jesus cherishes and nurtures?
  6. What has neither spot nor wrinkle?
  7. What are we commanded not to offend?
  8. What came first, the NT part of the bible, or the church?
The bible clearly says that when the Spirit of Truth has come, He will teach you all the truth, and the THINGS THAT ARE TO COME He will declare to you. (John 16:13).
In this verse there can be no doubt that everything is not in the bible, and that things that are to come will be revealed over time by the Spirit of the Truth through his church.
 
churchcamefirst said:
No sir, nothing negative about Christ telling Peter “THOU ART PETER, AND UPON THIS ROCK I GIVE YOU THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM AND YOU SHALL START MY CHURCH”.
What is negative about this?

Answer these questions for me please:
  1. Did Jesus Christ found the bible or the church?
  2. What is the Pillar and Foundation of truth?
  3. Who or what is the final authority?
  4. For what did Christ give himself up?
  5. What is it that Jesus cherishes and nurtures?
  6. What has neither spot nor wrinkle?
  7. What are we commanded not to offend?
  8. What came first, the NT part of the bible, or the church?
The bible clearly says that when the Spirit of Truth has come, He will teach you all the truth, and the THINGS THAT ARE TO COME He will declare to you. (John 16:13).
In this verse there can be no doubt that everything is not in the bible, and that things that are to come will be revealed over time by the Spirit of the Truth through his church.
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Good I am glad you are not down on writing. It comes across that way. But you still fail to see the irony in pointing out BIBLE verse that says there is more??
All this you get from scripture. Writings.
 
Rightlydivide said:
Good I am glad you are not down on writing. It comes across that way. But you still fail to see the irony in pointing out BIBLE verse that says there is more??
All this you get from scripture. Writings.
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🤷 :banghead:
 
is the family unit not important to the protestants? is the role of a mother and a father not important for the raising of a child? when i attended protestant churches, the role of a father and mother seemed important and raising their children to know of God and Jesus was especially important and that they raise obedient children.

joseph was also had an important role in the raising of Jesus.

mary had an important role. they were very important in seeing that Jesus lived the life of a typical Jewish family.

don’t protestants encourage marriage and motherhood and fatherhood. don’t protestants try to be the best mothers and fathers for their children?

mary and joseph also tried to be good parents for Jesus.

mary and joseph were part of God’s plan to be an integral part of the life of Jesus.

if you can’t see that, then you have missed a lot while reading your Bible.
 
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