What did Satan do before the creation of humans

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What did Satan do before God created humans? There were no humans to tempt and he was battling an omnipotent God, so what could he actually do and what was the point? There really seems nothing to “do” prior to humans other than exist for no reason. God may as well have destroyed him.
 
Yes, “doing” requires “time”. There was a time Satan existed prior to his rebellion. His creation and rebellion could not be simultaneous or he could not have exercised free will to decide to rebel. If a free-willed entity (Satan) never “does” anything, what is the point of his existence?
 
Yes, “doing” requires “time”. There was a time Satan existed prior to his rebellion. His creation and rebellion could not be simultaneous or he could not have exercised free will to decide to rebel. If a free-willed entity (Satan) never “does” anything, what is the point of his existence?
“Whoever looks at a woman who is not his wife has committed adultery in his heart.”

We could nuance that point, but willing certain objects as an end is “doing” something. At some point, Satan determined to orient his will against God and to reject God’s will. We don’t really have many details beyond that. It’s not doctrine, so far as I understand it, that the angels pre-existed physical creation. “In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth.” That could of course mean the skies and good ole terra firma, but many patristic writings also identify this as referring to the invisible (angels and such) and visible (earth, stars, moon, the physical universe), and in such a statement all of creation begins its journeying existence at once.
 
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Those are not angelic orders, those are angelic hierarchies. You are confusing orders with hierarchies.
 
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Good point, not sure why no one has answered it unless God created the world before Lucifer rebelled, maybe even seeing Adam created before they rebelled.

I think I remember a saint saying that Lucifer refused to worship Jesus as man?
 
That is not my nomenclature. That is the language used in Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite in the 4th or 5th century in his book De Coelesti Hierarchia (On the Celestial Hierarchy).

This is getting off the point of the OP, but I don’t “confuse” anything here. I am using the standard 1500 year old nomenclature of the Church. I cited my source and the language I used is a DIRECT QUOTE.

The reality is that angelology is an imprecise study and admittedly others, including Aquinas, (and in all probability St. Denis) have used different nomenclature (in fact there is no general consensus on whether Satan was a Cherub a Seraph or an Archangel, or even whether it is possible to be more than one of the above. Some have posited that Michael was both a Seraph and an Archangel.)

None the less, this is all beside the point of the OP.
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OBJ 4: Further, Gregory (Hom. xxiv in Evang.) places the “Principalities” above the “Powers.” These therefore are not placed immediately above the Archangels, as Dionysius says (Coel. Hier. ix).
On the contrary, Dionysius (Coel. Hier. vii), places in the _ highest hierarchy “Seraphim” as the first, the “Cherubim” as the middle, the “Thrones” as the last; in the middle hierarchy he places the “Dominations,” as the first, the “Virtues” in the middle, the “Powers” last; in the lowest hierarchy the “Principalities” first, then the “Archangels,” and lastly the “Angels.” _
I answer that, The grades of the angelic orders are assigned by Gregory (Hom. xxiv in Ev.) and Dionysius (Coel. Hier. vii), who agree as regards all except the “Principalities” and “Virtues.” For Dionysius places the “Virtues” beneath the “Dominations,” and above the “Powers”; the “Principalities” beneath the “Powers” and above the “Archangels.” Gregory, however, places the “Principalities” between the “Dominations” and the “Powers”; and the “Virtues” between the “Powers” and the “Archangels.” Each of these placings may claim authority from the words of the Apostle, who (Eph. 1:20,21) enumerates the middle orders, beginning from the lowest saying that “God set Him,” i.e. Christ, “on His right hand in the heavenly places above all Principality and Power, and Virtue, and Dominion.” Here he places “Virtues” between “Powers” and “Dominations,” according to the placing of Dionysius. Writing however to the Colossians (1:16), numbering the same orders from the highest, he says: “Whether Thrones, or Dominations, or Principalities, or Powers, all things were created by Him and in Him.” Here he places the “Principalities” between “Dominations” and “Powers,” as does also Gregory.” Summa Theologica, Part 1, Q. 108, Art. 6
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(1) You can comment on a person without committing an ad hominem fallacy, and you’re really just proving his point with this.

(2) You really are coming off as aggressive and overly technical on a complete tangent.
 
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I read a short story book that said Satan/Lucifer was God’s Favorite Angel. He was God’s right hand and he loved pure justice; he could not stand sin. When God revealed His Trinitarian nature Lucifer could not accept the second person of the Holy Trinity, Jesus, and thus, needed to be separated from God. This separation took 1/3 of the angels with him. His desire to to prove that mankind should not receive the mercy bestowed to us in the second person of the Trinity.
 
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At some point, Satan determined to orient his will against God and to reject God’s will.
How could Satan ever reject God’s will? Satan was no dummy, he knew God was all powerful, all knowing, and always right. He also must have known that he himself was inferior in reasoning to God. So he would not have rejected God’s will. Its easy for us humans to reject God’s will since we never see Him or experience Him in any human way. We have no proof He even exists! Satan was with God, close to God, completely aware of His day to day existence. Or maybe God was as big a mystery to Satan and the angels as He is to us??
 
What we know about him is scarce and it’s usually about the ways he tries to influence us away from God.
The Church says he fell out of pride and that before the fall he had a very high position as leader of the Heavenly Army but he also tried to replace God and then was thrown out. Most of it has its source old Hebrew texts.
 
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At some point, Satan determined to orient his will against God and to reject God’s will.
How could Satan ever reject God’s will? Satan was no dummy, he knew God was all powerful, all knowing, and always right. He also must have known that he himself was inferior in reasoning to God. So he would not have rejected God’s will.
The last sentence doesn’t follow by necessity. Satan is a finite being, even if he has greater intellectual power than us, and there’s no reason to conclude it was beyond his ability to choose some lesser good which, to his mind, was better. To disagree on justice and mercy and other things. To basically lack faith; not the blind faith without reason some speak of, but trust.
Its easy for us humans to reject God’s will since we never see Him or experience Him in any human way. We have no proof He even exists! Satan was with God, close to God, completely aware of His day to day existence. Or maybe God was as big a mystery to Satan and the angels as He is to us??
Perhaps less of a mystery, though total comprehension of God would be beyond the intellect of any rational creature, even the angels. Tradition also teaches that the angels did not immediately have the beatific vision of God, that level of participation in his divine nature, until after their wills were tested in some way (though what the test was and all that is only speculated upon; it’s popular to think it was related to mankind as rational animals, their salvation, and the Incarnation), though I’d think the knowledge that God exists is still something they had and was more apparent to them, even if they hadn’t “entered” Paradise yet.
 
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No he wasn’t.

There is no “battling” God. God can crush satan easier than a full grown man crushes an ant.

He was rebelling against God.

When Scripture speaks in the Apocalypse about “war in heaven” it’s symbolic hyperbole, not to be taken literally.
 
In Hebrew the word for God is plural, and if you look at some of the other parts in the Hebrew Bible it seems angels are sort of “extensions” of God’s own self.

My idea is that Satan convinced himself that if he could get 100% of all the angels to side with him, that they could force or somehow control God and bend his will to theirs.

It backfired when 2/3 of the angels refused to rebel and satan and his co-conspirators were banished.
 
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When Scripture speaks in the Apocalypse about “war in heaven” it’s symbolic hyperbole, not to be taken literally.
You’re completely and utterly wrong. There was a fight! The Angels fought.

Revelation 12:7

“Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.”
 
The Church says he fell out of pride and that before the fall he had a very high position as leader of the Heavenly Army but he also tried to replace God and then was thrown out. Most of it has its source old Hebrew texts.
Sounds like a fairy tale! Heavenly Army! Come on why would God need a Heavenly Army? He had no enemies.
 
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