What did the Pope really say about Theories of Evolution

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Edwin Taraba:
Scientific method involves observation of phenomena – and we can not observe creation or evolution
Not only can we observe evolution, we have observed it. We have observed it small-scale in human lifetimes, and we can observe it large-scale over millions of years by looking at the traces of past life and the forms of modern life. Traces and forms which would be different if the creation hypothesis were correct.

But you’re correct that we cannot observe creation.
and science requires repeated experimentation
No it does not. It requires repeated testability. Experiments are just one way to perform tests of hypotheses. Every time a fossil hominine is found, it tests our hypotheses about the course of human evolution.
– which can not be done with creation.
Therefore creation is not a scientific hypothesis. Glad you realise this.
You guys are tied up into naturalist philosophy posing as science – because you do not believe that God has super-natural power.
Of course I believe that God has supernatural power (or would if I believed in such things at all, which is beside the point). You are still confusing ‘could’ and ‘did’. Shame on you.
Shame on you. Until a scientist creates, from chemicals, a life form and proceeds to coax it into more and more complex species one tiny step at a time, in a laboratory with each step of the way documented and recorded and repeated by independent laboratories, you have no basis to your whole subject.
Take your hog elsewhere please. It won’t wash with me.

Until a scientist sees a river cut a valley, one tiny lump of sediment at a time, in a laboratory with each step of the way documented and recorded and repeated by independent laboratories, geologists have no basis for their whole subject.

Until a scientist creates, from subatomic particles, a star and proceeds to observe its lifecycle, in a laboratory with each step of the way documented and recorded and repeated by independent laboratories, astrophysicists have no basis to their whole subject.

Until a scientist creates, from chemicals, a virus, in a laboratory with each step of the way documented and recorded and repeated by independent laboratories, virologists have no basis to their whole subject.

Until a scientist creates, from chemicals, a pet cat, in a laboratory with each step of the way documented and recorded and repeated by independent laboratories, vets have no basis to their whole subject.
I know I will never see that, but if I ever did, only then might I start to consider evolution theory to have any merit. Until then all you have is unsubstantiated stories.
More porcine cleansing. What do the mountains of evidence we have – and which you refuse to address – do, if not substantiate it?

Time to cut the **** Edwin. Address the evidence, or quit making unsubstantiated allegations.
 
Oolon << Time to cut the **** Edwin. Address the evidence, or quit making unsubstantiated allegations. >>

Hey Oolon, you do well answering the science. And I agree with you much of the time.

What do you think of William Lane Craig and his arguments for God? Anyway, maybe another thread examining his arguments. Craig uses both the improbability of evolution (though he seems to have no problems with standard evolutionary science) plus the origin and fine-tuning of the universe (the so-called “anthropic principle”) as evidence for the existence of God, at least an intelligent designer. I have 2 CDs ready to go, if you haven’t heard a lot of Craig.

The Infidels.org used to have an article on Craig called “Christian Theism’s Hired Gun” by Jeff Lowder, but looks like he is re-editing that article or took it down. Craig is slick in debate. 😃 I have several Craig and other debates I’d like to send you and anyone else who wants them.

Wanted to mention that before this thread gets closed as well since Catholic Answers can’t handle the scientific evidence for evolution and the massive posts generated by this controversy. 😛 I find it fascinating myself since it does intersect with the faith (Adam/Eve, the Fall, original sin, etc) and I need to personally work out the theological objections.

Phil P
 
Edwin Taraba:
The 2nd law of thermodynamics relates to evolution theory in so far as the evolutionists that take Darwin’s thinking to the extreme back to the big bang and come up with their own story that encompasses all of life and the universe and gives us our current popular world view.
Evolutionary biology =/= cosmology. Evolutionary biology has a nice, succinct, explicit data set which it alone attempts to model and the origin of the universe and life are not parts thereof.

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