What do all of you think about the Church of Scientology and the internet group Anonymous?

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What do you all make of the Church of Scientology and the internet group Anonymous? I want to get your thoughts on the situation.
 
Scientology is a corporate organisation masquerading behind religion. Not to mention the clear evidence that it has done some abominable things. Like forcing abortions on members of Sea Org, obvious propoganda, the list goes on.

I think anonymous as a group is doing a good job in exposing the obvious abuses of scientology to the world
 
I see the war between Scientology and Anonymous in the same way I would see a war between Luxembourg and Lichtenstein: I really wouldn’t care who wins. 😉
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
I see the war between Scientology and Anonymous in the same way I would see a war between Luxembourg and Lichtenstein: I really wouldn’t care who wins. 😉
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I care. Quite frankly I’ll be disappointed if we don’t see MAD (keeping the nation-state motif going). :egyptian:
 
cjcapta said:
What do you all make of the Church of Scientology and the internet group Anonymous? I want to get your thoughts on the situation.
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Scientology is dangerous, and it hurts people.

Chanology works, and it helps people. (and it had its second birthday this past week)

Anonymous is really cool guy, eh stands up to abusive cults and doesn’t afraid of anything.

I have the utmost respect for the anons who have and are still working to expose the abuses of the “Church” of Scientology.

peace,
MyzTek (aka Chef Xenu)
 
What does MAD stand for?
And so does anyone think that Project Chanology could be (as the Church of Scientology refers to them as) “cyber terrorists” perpetrating “religious hate crimes” against the church? In addition, even some detractors of the church of scientology say that Project Chanology is allowing the Church of Scientology to “play the religious persecution card”.
 
My step father was a scientologist and those people are just crazy. Even when I was just 12-13 years old I knew it was a bunch of insane jibberish. I fully support any action (exepting violence of course) that will bring down this evil cult. It is easly shown in debat that hubberd and his ideas are nonsence but scientologists rarly debate their belifes.
 
I hate to sound snobbish but I’ve always seen Scientology as a poor man’s Dharmic religion. This would make sense, as L.Ron Hubbard was stationed in Asia during his tour of duty and was apparently seeking spirituality. From reincarnation, to liberating your mind, spiritual freedom, letting go of vices that make you suffer, nontheism, Scientology incorporates many Dharmic principles.

Scientology is so terribly similar to Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, and Jainism that I can’t help but feel like the adherents are being ripped off. I can assure you that Krishna, Buddha, Guru Dev, Mahavira, and Parshva were much more wise than Mr. Hubbard and espoused many of the same principles.

It would be like someone from Boston claiming that he is the messiah, your Lord and Savior, and charges only three payments of $4,000 for your salvation. Christians would think “You could get the same thing here – only for free!”
 
Scientology is trouble. The Buddha asked if people wanted liberation from suffering and rebirth. Then he taught. Scientology asks people if they want liberation from engrams and reincarnation. And then they charge you $250 per class.

L.Ron Hubbard became acquainted with Dharmic philosophy during his travels to India. No doubt that Scientology was influenced by these religions. (Sikhism, Jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism…which are religions that focus more on the inner self and spiritual truths and less on theism)

Scientologists think what they are teaching is new. Nope. It’s many of the same principles of the Dharmic religions, relabeled, and then charged to expensive class fees.
 
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What does MAD stand for?
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Mutually Assured Destruction, a Cold War era belief that should the United States and Soviet Union ever get into a war with each other both would be destroyed.
And so does anyone think that Project Chanology could be (as the Church of Scientology refers to them as) “cyber terrorists” perpetrating “religious hate crimes” against the church? In addition, even some detractors of the church of scientology say that Project Chanology is allowing the Church of Scientology to “play the religious persecution card”.
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Of course they’re cyber terrorists, but the terminology I’d use to describe the Church of Scientology wouldn’t be any more complimentary, so as I say I hope they both lose.
 
AJTheMan said:
Scientology is trouble. The Buddha asked if people wanted liberation from suffering and rebirth. Then he taught. Scientology asks people if they want liberation from engrams and reincarnation. And then they charge you $250 per class.

L.Ron Hubbard became acquainted with Dharmic philosophy during his travels to India. No doubt that Scientology was influenced by these religions. (Sikhism, Jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism…which are religions that focus more on the inner self and spiritual truths and less on theism)

Scientologists think what they are teaching is new. Nope. It’s many of the same principles of the Dharmic religions, relabeled, and then charged to expensive class fees.
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In my studies of Eastern religion I never found any mention of an evil Space Lord who had a fleet of DC-10’s. That’s certainly a new teaching.😃
 
And you thought a science fiction writer wouldn’t make up some insane sci-fi gibberish into his false religion? :rolleyes:
 
Nine_Two said:
In my studies of Eastern religion I never found any mention of an evil Space Lord who had a fleet of DC-10’s. That’s certainly a new teaching.😃
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Scientology is definitely unique in some areas, that being one. You must admit though, their goal of liberation from suffering and reincarnation sound similar to what you would find in Dharmic philosophy.

Also, you didn’t read the Dhammapada, did you? Xenu is blatantly mentioned in verse 3. 😛
 
cjcapta said:
What does MAD stand for?
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The only one I know is Mutually Assured Destruction, the idea that if everyone has enough nukes to kill everyone, and if everyone will die if there is a nuclear war, no one will be the first to launch.
And so does anyone think that Project Chanology could be (as the Church of Scientology refers to them as) “cyber terrorists” perpetrating “religious hate crimes” against the church? In addition, even some detractors of the church of scientology say that Project Chanology is allowing the Church of Scientology to “play the religious persecution card”.
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None of the people I personally know who are involved in “operation chanology” are engaging in terrorism of any sort, nor are they persecuting anyone for their choice of religion. Their criticisms are almost entirely of actual abuses by specific individuals, and attempting to draw the attention of Scientologists to the ways in which they are victims of (and enabling and contributing to [financially and otherwise]) these abuses.

Most Anons are not involved in operation chanology at this point, although it is still a large movement involving several thousand (>9000? 😉 individuals. The larger anon “hive mind” is a vast global community, an emerging internet phenomena which spawned, but seems largely to have lost interest in chanology. What remains are largely (but of course not entirely) those the larger group refer to as moral-F’s (anonymous applies a descriptive label and a particular three letter “F” word to nearly everyone, in what I think is an effort to render a hateful word powerless), ex-Scientologists, and non-anonymous individuals like myself who got involved. These “moral-F’s” and their friends are more interested in helping the victims than in creating new victims.

I am aware of numerous incidents of chanologists being assaulted by Scientologists, but have seen no evidence of violence on the part of chanologists. Very early in the chanology movement, a point was made of adopting aspects of methods taught by MLK and Gandhi, with the added benefit of the proliferation of modern digital video. Violence against chanologists will not be reciprocated, but may well be recorded (as a quick youtube search will show).

Chanologists cooperate with the authorities. Anonymous and chanologists helped the government find an individual who made threats against Scientologists on an anonymous message board. The police in my town are kept informed of all the activities of the local group, and have been since the beginning. Where local chanologists have shown all due respect for the law, the local Scientology org’s representatives have made repeated false reports to attempt to break up pickets, which are quickly refuted by chanologists’ video recordings and then disregarded by the police.

As for Anonymous “allowing the Church of Scientology to ‘play the religious persecution card’,” all I can say is there is no way to criticize Scientology without that card being played by your opponent. Criticism has been the constant companion of L. Ron Hubbard’s “technology” ever since its inception around 1950, and since the incorporation of Scientology as a religion shortly thereafter little criticism has escaped the playing of the religious persecution card.
 
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