What do Baptists believe?

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Doesn’t shock me at all, Anna.

Many Southern Baptists believe that the Roman Catholic church is very worldly. And whether you agree or not, I see a lot of complaints about that from catholics on this site.

Some Southern Baptists are very zealous, but we do mean well. I mean, why is it such a big deal if we talk about Christ with other Christians? If you are know what you believe and have a strong organization what’s the harm?
Calgar,

I agree that talking is a good thing.

However, if Baptists believe Catholics are Christians, there would be no need to evangelize.

So, when Baptists attempt to evangelize Catholics as a whole, they are making an open, sweeping, human judgment upon the souls of Catholics.

But—to be fair to my Baptist brethren; I will note that Baptists target other Baptized Baptists to make really, really, really sure they had a true “born again” experience. This can result in a Baptist being Baptized more than once.

So, in this sense, Baptists evangelize their own. 😉

Anna
 
I know an Baptist pastor once told my wife she needed to be re-baptized because the denomination she was baptized in was ‘liberal’.
He backed off pretty quickly when she gave him that ‘do you REALLY wanna go there? look’.
Still scares me.
😃
JustaServant,

I like your wife. 😃

Anna
 
I grew up in a time where it was very much us vs them…Catholic vs Protestant. I for one an tired of that mentality. . . . .
I don’t like that mentality either, but it can creep into our thinking. In fact, I think it is creeping into this thread. 🤷

Anna
 
Who is arguing that you need to be a particular denomination to be saved? It certainly isn’t the Southern Baptists and it isn’t the Roman Catholics either.
Some lady on here said that most baptist churches do not think Catholics are saved. And i told her that is wrong.
 
Two of my kin, raised in Catholic schools, went to a non-denominational church that was very effective in reaching young people, helping them get out of addictions and drugs and sex.

But on the other hand, they were anti-Catholic. They made people get re-baptized.

One of my kin returned, and told me of the things they were saying, such as ‘the world needs to be rid of religion’…fully realizing my relationship with my kin…myself a Catholic.

It hurt me so profoundly because we could no longer pray together.

Now I am reading what their teachings are, how they are re-defining my faith to all these young people coming into these mega churches with their latte stands and rock bands…and making blatantly false statements against our faith.

Now there is a Catholic bishop is working to start a branch at a university to teach lay people to become most dynamic teachers and evangelizers of faith. The priests are so busy with their own flock and all the concerns believers have in the times we live in.

We may have had a decrease in vocations, they are building back up, but what is emerging on our side are graduates of Catholic evangelical/theological universities with BA’s, Master’s, and PhD’s…they are already contacting these that are misrepresenting our faith and challenging them with their education and belief we have held common for so long.

So I have to let go of the hurt, as I was raised in an anti-Catholic environment my entire life…from both seculars and fellow Christians…and must have hope now that the truth will win out…and we as Catholics reach out and live the gospel more deeply.

My close friend, a former Baptist and now a most devout and evangelical Catholic, told me today about all of this…as the intensity against our faith is increasing here in America…that we just don’t use the word, religion.

It seems ‘religion’ is us…

The truth will set us free.
 
You certainly paint with a broad brush. I wish you well.
I have simply related what I experienced as a Southern Baptist (there are a few hundred conflicting and competing denominations of Baptists, the largest is Southern), and you keep insisting it didn’t happen.

I got the double-dunk treatment. When I went to my SB pastor with my questions, his antidote to my “backsliding” as he labeled it, was to baptize me again. It didn’t help. Is there a more unbiblical practice?

The deception (perhaps it was ignorance) about where we got the Bible was most egregious. My SB teachers either knew or should have known that the New Testament consists of 27 of the Catholic Church’s own writings and that the Church compiled the Bible.

Peace be with you,

Jim Dandy
 
I have simply related what I experienced as a Southern Baptist (there are a few hundred conflicting and competing denominations of Baptists, the largest is Southern), and you keep insisting it didn’t happen.
He has done that consistantly since he has been here. He keeps inferring we are liars about what we experienced in Baptist churches. Believe me, I have left the worst stuff out. Only skimmed the surface.
Suffice to say it wasn’t “Mayberrry RFD”,
More like Mayberry LSD.
 
Same here, but apparently there’s one guy going around harrassing Roman Catholics. 🙂

And Stewstew is going to come on here in a minute and tell me it’s Tim Tebow’s dad. 😛
Snap! I missed my cue… “It’s Tim Tebow’s dad!!”
 
The above made me go back and re-post this from a couple years ago. I have yet to identify who the author of this is, but it speaks to everything I felt when I re-crossed the Tiber. Edited slightly to make it relevant to the thread.

Letter from an ex-Baptist

This is a letter to all the pastors, evangelists, and other assorted leaders in Baptist churches whom I listened to at one time:

Dear _________ :

I just want to write you to tell you that I think you should be ashamed of yourself for giving your people only half (or even less) of the truth of the Bible regarding the Christian Faith and how that Faith is lived out. As a professing follower of Christ, the TRUTH should be very important to you. But the things you have said and the way you have said them have not been truthful at all:
  1. You talked about your denomination as if it went back all the way to the days that Jesus walked the earth. You act as if Jesus Himself was a Baptist Himself.
    I didn’t know any better and I trusted you!
  2. You never told me about the writings of the Early Fathers. You never encouraged me to examine them for myself to see what the disciples of the apostles believed. You acted as if they were all Protestants back then.
    I didn’t know any better, and I trusted you.
  3. You taught me that the Church was taken over by a false gospel sometime in the fourth century and the Gospel all but disappeared from the earth until the Reformation. It never occurred to me to connect 2 + 2 and realize that this is exactly what the JW’s and the Mormons teach.
    I didn’t know any better, and I trusted you.
  4. You never taught me about a covenant, even though the Bible speaks of the New Covenant and Jesus said “This is the New Covenant in my Blood”. Since we live in a covenant relationship now (like the Jews did in the Old Covenant) and since the word “covenant” appears over 280 times in the scriptures, I would think that concept would be very important for a Christian to learn about.
    I didn’t know any better, and I trusted you.
  5. What you did tell me about was something called a “dispensation” which appears only 4 times in the scriptures and that only in the NT. But you acted like this is the way God deals with people.
    I didn’t know any better, and I trusted you.
  6. You never once told me that the Catholic Church, which you despise, was the Body which gave us the Holy Scriptures. To hear you talk, the Bible just dropped out of thin air one day. Some of you act as if the Reformers invented the Bible after years of pagan ignorance and superstition.
    I didn’t know any better, and I trusted you.
  7. You never told me that anything orthodox I believe about the natures of Jesus, the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus the Christ, and all other understandings necessary to salvation, came from the councils of the Catholic Church. Why? Were you afraid that I would realize that perhaps the Church is not the demonic institution you have painted it to be? Or were you afraid that I would realize that any truth you Baptists have is only that which the Church defined in Her councils.
    I didn’t know any better, and I trusted you.
  8. You never once took the time to really talk about the teachings of the Catholic Church. You simply made your accusations from your pulpit and either told or inferred to everyone that ALL Catholics are going straight to hell, with the pope in the front row seat.
    I didn’t know any better, and I trusted you.
  9. You told me that the Church was some sort of “invisible Church” that no one could see because it is made up of all “true believers” from everywhere and every denomination (even though you also taught that only “we” really had everything “right”).
    I didn’t know any better, and I trusted you.
You better think a long time about what you are doing and what you are teaching. It is bad enough that you make false accusations (which the Lord hates) against our Lord’s Church, but you are out there aggressively stealing His sheep from His flock which He put on earth. You seem to think think that since you “accept Jesus”, you won’t have to answer for anything at all because you are “covered by the Blood of Jesus”.

Well, I have news for you, it took me a while (too long, actually), but I finally had my eyes opened, and that is not what the Holy Scriptures teach. They teach that at the Resurrection, Jesus will judge ALL MEN (you get that? – ALL!) BY THEIR DEEDS, and based on what they have done, they will either live or die eternally!! That is what Jesus taught in John 5: 28 - 29 and guess what, that is what the Catholic Faith teaches us also, because the Catholic Faith teaches what Jesus taught!!

I would gladly sit down with you and show you what I have learned from both my own studies and Catholics who really know the Faith.

Sincerely yours,

Your former member
Well done JustaServant. As a former SBC congregant, I’m going to bookmark this post…
 
I grew up in a time where it was very much us vs them…Catholic vs Protestant. I for one an tired of that mentality. As a Baptist I never believed that all Catholics were going to hell. I also never believed that all Baptist or other Protestants were going to heaven. Only God knows the state of ones soul. I venture to say that most Protestants don’t realize how Christ centered the Catholic faith is and has always been. I admit that I didn’t until I really started researching the teachings of the church.

We agree on the points that matter. We are all sinners and fall short of the Glory of God. We are all born with original sin. Through Jesus’ sacrifice we are saved. We believe in His death and resurrection. We all believe in the Trinity. As for the rest, I wish we could all agree to disagree. Instead of bashing each other and sending a poor witness to non-Christians why don’t we all get along.
THIS! 👍

Threads like these make me so sad. Regardless of any good intentions, these threads have no positive effects. I’m sorry to all who have had poor experiences with Southern Baptists. Growing up in the Bible belt, I’m amazed by some of these stories as I’ve never heard or witnessed anything like the ones described…

Like it or not- Baptists, Protestants are our brothers and sisters in Christ. There seem to be more and more of these types of threads over the last week or so. I’m not sure why, but they all turn out the same way. I thought about starting a thread regarding what we DO have in common, but didn’t as I doubt many would find that nearly as entertaining.

I read about a Baptist church in the south where someone broke in and committed horrible acts. They took the massive (several feet high/wide) cross down and turned it upside down stood it in the aisle. They ripped pages from the Bibles and spit on it. They lit the carpet on fire. They wrote, " hail Satan" on the baptismal.

Why can’t we drop the old animosity that seems to exist and realize we need to support one another? We all share the most important belief.
 
I grew up in a time where it was very much us vs them…Catholic vs Protestant. I for one an tired of that mentality. . . . . .
I don’t like that mentality either, but it can creep into our thinking. In fact, I think it is creeping into this thread. 🤷

Anna
THIS! 👍

Threads like these make me so sad. Regardless of any good intentions, these threads have no positive effects. I’m sorry to all who have had poor experiences with Southern Baptists. Growing up in the Bible belt, I’m amazed by some of these stories as I’ve never heard or witnessed anything like the ones described…

Like it or not- Baptists, Protestants are our brothers and sisters in Christ. There seem to be more and more of these types of threads over the last week or so. I’m not sure why, but they all turn out the same way. I thought about starting a thread regarding what we DO have in common, but didn’t as I doubt many would find that nearly as entertaining.

I read about a Baptist church in the south where someone broke in and committed horrible acts. They took the massive (several feet high/wide) cross down and turned it upside down stood it in the aisle. They ripped pages from the Bibles and spit on it. They lit the carpet on fire. They wrote, " hail Satan" on the baptismal.

Why can’t we drop the old animosity that seems to exist and realize we need to support one another? We all share the most important belief.
:amen:
 
I wish to make something clear as it has gotten lost in my defense of a poster in regard to Calgar. My response was based on Calgar’s repeated posts that what we, former Baptists, experienced was either a fabrication or mistaken identity. Our outrage is directed toward the LEADERS of Baptist churches, not to the rank and file pew warmers. I have met many Baptists down throught the years who are sincere Christian people who desperately want to serve God and the Kingdom.
They have a desire for the things of God. They are always ready to repent or forgive. They never seem to hold grudges. They are usually the first person to come forward in the invitation because of thier tender hearts. They rarely get angry, and if they do, they channel that anger into something positive or apologize quickly. They are excited about the love of God and always anxious to hear about it. They are truly “in love” with their Creator.
Their testimony is not just something that happened in the past, it is what God is doing in their life right now. These folks tend to be the tireless workers in Baptist churches, sometimes the only workers. But they never ask for praise or a pat on the back, they work out of the love of the Lord and love for His people.
These Baptists are always ready to sing His praises. This goes beyond an emotional high. They desire and want intimacy with the Creator. The joy of the Lord has touched their hearts, and it can be seen wherever they go.
They are always ready to learn. They come to every service Bible open, ready and excited about Jesus. They are the first in prayer, and they pray with a humility that leaves one silent. They are not phonies, they have a genuiness about them that cannot be denied.
If in pain, they fall back upon a Father who loves them. If in suffering they go to the Christ who carries them through it. They are slow to believe the negatives and quick to believe the positives. There lives are lived from the Holy Spirit within them.
I have met them.
Young and old, middle-aged and teen-ager.
I have no doubt I will see them again someday, standing next to Mother Theresa and others who let their life speak the Gospel.
 
Lessee…I was also Southern Baptist for many years. Almost went into their ministry. (See My Testimony)

Baptists are
The particular pastor for that congregation was pretty typical and often incorporated a sort of compare & contrast into his sermons talking about the difference between what we believed vs (fill in the blank) church. Still, overall, he was a decent guy and I liked him.

Would I ever, even remotely, consider returning to a Baptist (or any other religion)?
No chance.
 
Baptists are not instructed, by pulpit or otherwise, that Catholics worship statutes.

What is taught is that the making of graven images, such as statutes profiling the spiritual, violates the Fourth Commandment cited in Exodus.

Like any instruction whether Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, or other, accuracy in interpretation and subsequent pronouncement can be compromised.
I’ll have to disagree with you on this. Mike Gendron teaches Baptists all over the country and often teaches at Dallas Theological Seminary which trains many Baptist ministers. See the right hand column at the link below.
Christ is King Baptist Church is hosting a seminar by Mike Gendron on witnessing to Roman Catholics May 11-12th (6:30-9PM and 9AM-Noon).
 
One thing that we do have to remember is that Baptists, like Catholics and pretty much everyone else, vary depending upon their personal study habits, devotional life, and (very especially) what they read/listen to/watch, so that you may encounter those who hold anti-Catholic opinions and then others who are better informed or at least open-minded.

Basically…my post above is accurate, but there will always be exceptions to those examples and we need to remember that rash generalizations never work out in the real world.
 
Thank you. 👍

God Bless~
I wish to make something clear as it has gotten lost in my defense of a poster in regard to Calgar. My response was based on Calgar’s repeated posts that what we, former Baptists, experienced was either a fabrication or mistaken identity. Our outrage is directed toward the LEADERS of Baptist churches, not to the rank and file pew warmers. I have met many Baptists down throught the years who are sincere Christian people who desperately want to serve God and the Kingdom.
They have a desire for the things of God. They are always ready to repent or forgive. They never seem to hold grudges. They are usually the first person to come forward in the invitation because of thier tender hearts. They rarely get angry, and if they do, they channel that anger into something positive or apologize quickly. They are excited about the love of God and always anxious to hear about it. They are truly “in love” with their Creator.
Their testimony is not just something that happened in the past, it is what God is doing in their life right now. These folks tend to be the tireless workers in Baptist churches, sometimes the only workers. But they never ask for praise or a pat on the back, they work out of the love of the Lord and love for His people.
These Baptists are always ready to sing His praises. This goes beyond an emotional high. They desire and want intimacy with the Creator. The joy of the Lord has touched their hearts, and it can be seen wherever they go.
They are always ready to learn. They come to every service Bible open, ready and excited about Jesus. They are the first in prayer, and they pray with a humility that leaves one silent. They are not phonies, they have a genuiness about them that cannot be denied.
If in pain, they fall back upon a Father who loves them. If in suffering they go to the Christ who carries them through it. They are slow to believe the negatives and quick to believe the positives. There lives are lived from the Holy Spirit within them.
I have met them.
Young and old, middle-aged and teen-ager.
I have no doubt I will see them again someday, standing next to Mother Theresa and others who let their life speak the Gospel.
 
One thing that we do have to remember is that Baptists, like Catholics and pretty much everyone else, vary depending upon their personal study habits, devotional life, and (very especially) what they read/listen to/watch, so that you may encounter those who hold anti-Catholic opinions and then others who are better informed or at least open-minded.

Basically…my post above is accurate, but there will always be exceptions to those examples and we need to remember that rash generalizations never work out in the real world.
Respectfully, what is trying to to be gained here? I thought this thread was to better understand Baptist beliefs in order to evangelize, learn the misconceptions, correct the myths and begin to bridge the gap. This seems nonproductive and I’m certain many Baptists visiting this site may misconstrue some of these posts as hurtful. Hasn’t this dead horse been beaten enough???

Sharing personal stories is one thing, but posting random internet links regarding one person and talk is not helpful. It’s keeping the fire going. You know there is a thread here on CAF about Singer speaking at a Catholic University. I believe he is an advocate of infanticide.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=666188

We live in a glass house and shouldn’t throw stones…

If the church I posted about regarding all the satanic vandalism had been Catholic, there would have been an outpouring of sadness and the state of our world. It wasn’t Catholic, even though they are our family,God’s children and our Lord’s house- not one comment.
 
I honestly fail to see what you are complaining about here. JustAServant related what he has been taught, as did I and many others. One person seems to have taken issue with those statements and perhaps his was not that same experience, and if so, that is great, but I live in the deep South…the “Bible Belt” as it’s called, and very much in the midst of an area where there are more Baptist churches than most others and so have encountered and dialoged with them probably more than any others. 🤷

One thing I left out of my list earlier (by oversight) is that Baptists are most definitely Evangelical in an evangelistic sense and most are groomed from their earliest years to “witness” and seek to “get people saved”, and they also are trained in what to say and what scriptures to use to lead people to “accept Jesus as their personal savior” by praying with them that “sinner’s prayer”. That’s just how it is… the sky is blue, water is wet, and among devout Baptists, that’s “how they roll”. It is something one should be aware of as we encounter and dialog with them as Catholics. I might also add that most of these same Baptists that I have encountered personally were of the opinion that we Catholics are not Christians mainly because we are not a Sola Scriptura church and do not hold to their doctrines. I do know that that was something that I heard delivered to me by my Baptist pastor, during my time among them. Again, 🤷.

I have an article on my blog that details my own thinking with regard to the common and often heard/seen allegation that we Catholics preach “a different Gospel”, which is something that I also heard from that same pastor’s pulpit, not only regarding Catholicism, but other mainstream Christian faiths as well. At one point in my life outside the Church, I did personally accept that as fact because of that influence.
Who REALLY Preaches “A Different Gospel”?
 
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