What do Evangelicals say about Fatima?

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I think many non-Catholic Christians are very uncomfortable with someone other that Jesus who has supernatural powers, eg. Blessed Virgin Mary, Angles, Saints, Apostles, etc.
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I am reminded that Moses and Elijah appeared again with Jesus on the mount. Also that a soldier in the Old Testament was buried with the bones of Elijah and was restored to life. So maybe you have a point there. But why would any non-Catholic be uncomfortable with angels having supernatural powers? That’s part of their job–they are angels, after all.

Jesus did make a to-do about, “If you won’t believe Me, then believe Me because of the miracles.” But He also said, “Blessed is he who believes and has not seen.” Some people see miracles and still do not believe later. I don’t know that miracles are the reason for faith as much as the catalyst. If someone wants to believe the earth is not here, you cannot make them believe in it even if you buried them up to their necks in mud and throw clods at them.
 
glimmer said:
I am reminded that Moses and Elijah appeared again with Jesus on the mount. Also that a soldier in the Old Testament was buried with the bones of Elijah and was restored to life. So maybe you have a point there. But why would any non-Catholic be uncomfortable with angels having supernatural powers? That’s part of their job–they are angels, after all.

Jesus did make a to-do about, “If you won’t believe Me, then believe Me because of the miracles.” But He also said, “Blessed is he who believes and has not seen.” Some people see miracles and still do not believe later. I don’t know that miracles are the reason for faith as much as the catalyst. If someone wants to believe the earth is not here, you cannot make them believe in it even if you buried them up to their necks in mud and throw clods at them.
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That’s very true, life itself is a miracle, but most folks just think it’s perfectly natural.
 
glimmer said:
Jesus did make a to-do about, “If you won’t believe Me, then believe Me because of the miracles.” But He also said, “Blessed is he who believes and has not seen.” Some people see miracles and still do not believe later. I don’t know that miracles are the reason for faith as much as the catalyst.
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Very good points. Thanks for the posts.
 
JoeyWarren said:
It was also the anniversary of the Apparitions of Mary and Jesus at Conyers, Georgia.
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I did not know about these apparitions. It is very interesting about the anniversary date of October 13. I will investigate. Thank you for the information.
 
I don’t know about evangelicals, but one of our Orthodox regulars calls it mass hysteria.
 
ALLFORHIM said:
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Thank you for the story:D It sounds plausible to me. I suppose if God wanted to he could have sent Mary. I guess I would be a little wary because Satan does try to deceive people.😦 IMHO Satan could have very well done this to throw off many believers into thinking Mary is more than she is. Of course I have no idea. I do tend to believe in that stuff I just dont know if it truly comes from God or Satan.:confused:

What did the sun do?
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It was reported in a secular paper of the time of the event (not quoting here) that the sun was seen to spin and fall from the sky, much to the horror of the onlookers; also to change colors and shake, i.e., “dance”.

In the case of Bernadette’s visions at Lourdes, after the initial visions, pilgrims on the way to the grotto reported to have seen an apparition of Mary, which they knew to be false bc they told it to “Go away! You are false!” or something to that effect. I’m recalling from a book I read. Bernadette herself was afflicted with a v painful knee disease; she’d been told the healing waters of the spring were not for her! She was to suffer this in union with Christ for poor sinners.

As another poster said, these phenomena are thouroughly investigated and documented by the Church, to bolster our faith (if they are true), BUT no one needs to believe in them to remain a faithful Catholic.

God bless and pray the rosary (Our Lady’s Lasso),
Mimi
 
I am a bit confused. I looked up marian apparations in Google. It took me to a web site creationists.org/MessagesFromHeaven/apparition_claim/savior.html
This web site shows Mary saying she is a saviour. One of the quotes are “I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved.”
It was approved by the Catholic Church, but I thought that the Catholic Church didn’t think of Mary as their saviour. So, why did they approve this? My husband is Catholic and he doesn’t see Mary as his saviour at all.
 
awantz said:
It was approved by the Catholic Church, but I thought that the Catholic Church didn’t think of Mary as their saviour. So, why did they approve this? My husband is Catholic and he doesn’t see Mary as his saviour at all.
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I don’t think I would use a web site with the name “creationists.org” for my information about Mary or about the Church. I suspect that something got lost in the translation along the way, there.

And no, Mary is not our saviour. Mary is the Mother of God, but she herself is not God.
 
Here is the “Fatima Prayer”, given by the Blessed Virgin Mary to be said while reciting the Rosary, after each “Glory Be”

“Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins
Save us from the fires of Hell
But lead all souls in Heaven
Especially those most in need of thy mercy”

Please, ANYONE tell me why Satan would want this prayer said?
 
Karl Keating, in Catholocism and Fundamentalism said he once heard an eldery priest, who as a boy in the Canary Islands, was blessed to witness the miracle of the sun. His parents and neighbors thought he was crazy, until weeks later the reports started comming in.

Without looking it up in an atlas, the Canary islands, I think, are about 1000 miles away from the Iberian peninsula.
 
awantz said:
I am a bit confused. I looked up marian apparations in Google. It took me to a web site creationists.org/MessagesFromHeaven/apparition_claim/savior.html
This web site shows Mary saying she is a saviour. One of the quotes are “I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved.”
It was approved by the Catholic Church, but I thought that the Catholic Church didn’t think of Mary as their saviour. So, why did they approve this? My husband is Catholic and he doesn’t see Mary as his saviour at all.
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The site is very anti-catholic
 
Lion_of_Narnia said:
“Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins
Save us from the fires of Hell
But lead all souls in Heaven
Especially those most in need of thy mercy”
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Catholics believe in a clear cut destination of heaven or hell for people, right? The question that bugs me about the prayer is that it’s like asking for something that you don’t believe will really be granted (that the whole world will be saved in the end)–unless you believe in universal reconciliation (a very non-Catholic doctrine). How does this line up? Or is the prayer understood to apply only to those of the Catholic faith (in which it might make a little more sense)?
 
Paul_Folbrecht said:
The other posters are correct: They almost never are even aware of these great events, or of other modern saints surrounded by the miraculous, such as St. Pio.

My girlfriend was raised protestant and attended Baptist seminary for three years and she had never heard of Fatima!!!
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I never heard of St. Pio until recently. But Fatima? I thought everybody heard of Fatima. I heard of Fatima back in either the late 60s or early 70s. There was even a book published. I think it may have been in a prominent national magazine, too.
 
jmcrae said:
Yes, but why would Satan want the people of a country that is already atheist/communist to convert to the Catholic faith and start worshipping Jesus? … Hundreds of thousands of people, mostly atheists at the time (most of them converted directly, as you can well imagine) saw this happen.
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How do we really know that hundreds of thousands of these people were mostly atheist? Just because a government is atheist doesn’t mean the people are. Right now the United States government operates primarily from an atheist perspective, despite claims to the contrary. Yet one could not say the people are all atheists.
 
glimmer said:
Catholics believe in a clear cut destination of heaven or hell for people, right? The question that bugs me about the prayer is that it’s like asking for something that you don’t believe will really be granted (that the whole world will be saved in the end)–unless you believe in universal reconciliation (a very non-Catholic doctrine). How does this line up? Or is the prayer understood to apply only to those of the Catholic faith (in which it might make a little more sense)?
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The Fatima Prayer is perfectly in line with Scripture. I give you 1 Timothy 2:1-4:1:
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men
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, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
 
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