What do Jehovah Witnesses say about the Holy Spirit?

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The below comes straight out of the JW website. I love how JW’s love to twist and take sources out-of-context,especially from the Catholic Encyclopedia. They are masters at it!

watchtower.org/e/20091001/article_01.htm

THE HOLY SPIRIT
Why the Confusion?
WHAT is the holy spirit? The question seems straightforward enough, but finding a simple answer may prove difficult. Pope Benedict XVI told a crowd in Australia: “A clear understanding of the Spirit almost seems beyond our reach.”

Certainly there are many opinions and much uncertainty when it comes to the question, What is the holy spirit? Following are some typical replies:

•A real person who lives inside Christ’s disciples.
•Divine science, a law of God in action.
•God’s presence at work in the world.
•The third person of the Trinity.
Why such confusion? It dates back to the fourth century C.E. when some theologians claimed that the holy spirit was a person who was somehow equal to God. This, however, was not an idea taught in the Scriptures or by the early followers of Christ. The New Catholic Encyclopedia explains: “The Old Testament clearly does not envisage God’s spirit as a person . . . God’s spirit is simply God’s power.” The same source adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.”

Understandably, people find it hard to think of a power as a person. Thus, a recent survey in the United States revealed that most people reject the idea that the holy spirit is a person or a “living entity.” Are they right? Or should we believe the theologians who insist that “the Holy Ghost is a Person really distinct as such from the Father and the Son”?

The Scriptures reveal to us the nature of the holy spirit
To get a reliable answer, we need to go to God’s Word, the Bible, which describes the holy spirit in detail. The apostle Paul wrote: “All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error.”—2 Timothy 3:16, Today’s English Version.

Why should you seek to discover the truth about the holy spirit? Because knowing that truth may open the way for you to receive help from God. Do you sometimes feel unable to carry on in your own strength? Jesus promised his disciples: “Keep on asking, and it will be given you . . . If you . . . know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!”—Luke 11:9, 13.

In the following articles, we will let the Scriptures reveal to us the nature of the holy spirit. And we will see how it can be a force for good in our lives.

Why the Holy Spirit Is Not a Person

The Bible compares the holy spirit to water. When promising future blessings for his people, God said: “I shall pour out water upon the thirsty one, and trickling streams upon the dry place. I shall pour out my spirit upon your seed, and my blessing upon your descendants.”—Isaiah 44:3.

When God pours out his spirit upon his servants, they become “full of holy spirit,” or “filled with holy spirit.” Jesus, John the Baptist, Peter, Paul, Barnabas, and the disciples who were gathered together on the day of Pentecost 33 C.E. are all described as being full of, or filled with, holy spirit.—Luke 1:15; 4:1; Acts 4:8; 9:17; 11:22, 24; 13:9.

Consider this: Could a person be ‘poured out’ on many different individuals? Would you say that one person could ‘fill’ a whole group of people? That defies logic. The Bible does refer to people becoming filled with wisdom, understanding, or even accurate knowledge, but it never describes anyone as being filled with another person.—Exodus 28:3; 1 Kings 7:14; Luke 2:40; Colossians 1:9.

The Greek word translated “spirit” is pneu´ma, which also conveys the idea of an invisible power. According to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, the word pneu´ma “primarily denotes the wind . . . also breath; then, especially the spirit, which, like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.”

Clearly, then, the holy spirit is not a person.*
 
The below comes straight out of the JW website. I love how JW’s love to twist and take sources out-of-context,especially from the Catholic Encyclopedia. They are masters at it!

watchtower.org/e/20091001/article_01.htm

THE HOLY SPIRIT
Why the Confusion?
WHAT is the holy spirit? The question seems straightforward enough, but finding a simple answer may prove difficult. Pope Benedict XVI told a crowd in Australia: “A clear understanding of the Spirit almost seems beyond our reach.”

Certainly there are many opinions and much uncertainty when it comes to the question, What is the holy spirit? Following are some typical replies:

•A real person who lives inside Christ’s disciples.
•Divine science, a law of God in action.
•God’s presence at work in the world.
•The third person of the Trinity.
Why such confusion? It dates back to the fourth century C.E. when some theologians claimed that the holy spirit was a person who was somehow equal to God. This, however, was not an idea taught in the Scriptures or by the early followers of Christ. The New Catholic Encyclopedia explains: “The Old Testament clearly does not envisage God’s spirit as a person . . . God’s spirit is simply God’s power.” The same source adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.”

Understandably, people find it hard to think of a power as a person. Thus, a recent survey in the United States revealed that most people reject the idea that the holy spirit is a person or a “living entity.” Are they right? Or should we believe the theologians who insist that “the Holy Ghost is a Person really distinct as such from the Father and the Son”?

The Scriptures reveal to us the nature of the holy spirit
To get a reliable answer, we need to go to God’s Word, the Bible, which describes the holy spirit in detail. The apostle Paul wrote: “All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error.”—2 Timothy 3:16, Today’s English Version.

Why should you seek to discover the truth about the holy spirit? Because knowing that truth may open the way for you to receive help from God. Do you sometimes feel unable to carry on in your own strength? Jesus promised his disciples: “Keep on asking, and it will be given you . . . If you . . . know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!”—Luke 11:9, 13.

In the following articles, we will let the Scriptures reveal to us the nature of the holy spirit. And we will see how it can be a force for good in our lives.

Why the Holy Spirit Is Not a Person

The Bible compares the holy spirit to water. When promising future blessings for his people, God said: “I shall pour out water upon the thirsty one, and trickling streams upon the dry place. I shall pour out my spirit upon your seed, and my blessing upon your descendants.”—Isaiah 44:3.

When God pours out his spirit upon his servants, they become “full of holy spirit,” or “filled with holy spirit.” Jesus, John the Baptist, Peter, Paul, Barnabas, and the disciples who were gathered together on the day of Pentecost 33 C.E. are all described as being full of, or filled with, holy spirit.—Luke 1:15; 4:1; Acts 4:8; 9:17; 11:22, 24; 13:9.

Consider this: Could a person be ‘poured out’ on many different individuals? Would you say that one person could ‘fill’ a whole group of people? That defies logic. The Bible does refer to people becoming filled with wisdom, understanding, or even accurate knowledge, but it never describes anyone as being filled with another person.—Exodus 28:3; 1 Kings 7:14; Luke 2:40; Colossians 1:9.

The Greek word translated “spirit” is pneu´ma, which also conveys the idea of an invisible power. According to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, the word pneu´ma “primarily denotes the wind . . . also breath; then, especially the spirit, which, like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.”

Clearly, then, the holy spirit is not a person.*
Well then, clearly God the Father cannot be a “person” either by their definition. How could a person create something out of nothing, or be able to watch over the whole universe? They are using the limiting human conceptualization of what a person is to try and define a God whose very existence is beyond our comprehension. Of course they’re going to come to an incorrect conclusion.
 
Well then, clearly God the Father cannot be a “person” either by their definition. How could a person create something out of nothing, or be able to watch over the whole universe? They are using the limiting human conceptualization of what a person is to try and define a God whose very existence is beyond our comprehension. Of course they’re going to come to an incorrect conclusion.
I agree. Of all the groups out there, JW’s always seem to baffle me the most. Their theology is like Swiss Cheese: full of holes…😃

Peace
 
I guess if you take one piece of scripture and interpret to mean something you come up with a cult. I’m guessing in Acts1:1 “The Promise of the Spirit” was edited out of their book, I wouldn’t call it a bible.
It’s probably the same with John 14:15 when Jesus promises an Advocate to be with you always, the Spirit of Truth. Probably isn’t in their book either.
In Mark 5: 25 to 30 where the woman with the hemmorages for 12 years touched Jesus, he didn’t say " I felt the spirit had gone out from Him." Jesus felt the power go out from Him.
 
I guess if you take one piece of scripture and interpret to mean something you come up with a cult. I’m guessing in Acts1:1 “The Promise of the Spirit” was edited out of their book, I wouldn’t call it a bible.
It’s probably the same with John 14:15 when Jesus promises an Advocate to be with you always, the Spirit of Truth. Probably isn’t in their book either.
In Mark 5: 25 to 30 where the woman with the hemmorages for 12 years touched Jesus, he didn’t say " I felt the spirit had gone out from Him." Jesus felt the power go out from Him.
Yeah…I guess all those passages where Jesus mentions the HS is not really God’s Spirit,but only His force? :whacky: Reminds me of Star Wars: May the Force be with you…😃
 
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