What do Maronites believe?

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Questioning if you really mean to be sincere in light of your paradoxical comments is not an ad hominem. I think you know this perfectly well, but I do think your intention here is to be insincere–maybe not about your ultimate point but in the provocative way you are attempting to make it. Consequently, I’ve reported your comment to the moderator.

However, if you really took my question to you as an ad hominem then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

That fact is whether it has been intentional or not your comments are extremely sarcastic.
Fwiw, I personally am planning on bowing out of the conversation from here on and letting others respond to your questions. (Not that there’s any need for me to respond to the above anyhow as it wasn’t addressed to me – as I say, this is just a fwiw.)
 
People pretty much never say “What do Latin Catholics believe?” yet I often hear “What do [Maronite/Melkite/Ukrainian/Ruthenian/etc] Catholics believe?”
It can be worse than that. Someone in the offices of the Latin diocese was bewildered when I disagreed with her that canonical processes of Eastern Catholics wouldn’t be handled by the Latin tribunal because they are in communion with Rome. She didn’t mean condescension, but it was, as if the Eastern Churches were merely Eastern Rites and not in themselves the fullness of the Catholic Church, in their respective liturgies, theologies, traditions, history and spiritualities. Still, she was glad to learn that the Church is even greater than she thought before I explained to her what the Eastern Churches are and their relationship as peers of the Latin Church, all in communion with the pope, who also happens to be the head of the Latin Church.
 
Such as the reason for eliminating the traditional Syriac doxology (Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit from our beginning until our conclusion: May mercy and compassion be poured forth upon in both worlds forever) was its Jacobite origins.
Though not identical, I fail to understand how the current wording is any different:
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and the Holy Spirit, as we begin and until we conclude; may mercy and compassion be poured forth upon us in this world and the next.
 
Though not identical, I fail to understand how the current wording is any different:
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and the Holy Spirit, as we begin and until we conclude; may mercy and compassion be poured forth upon us in this world and the next.
That has been removed from the liturgy proper (2005). You will find that in +Doueihi’s (different from +++Doueihi) translation of the missal, the Raggi rites, the various festal rites or the FOTF but it has been removed from rites after that point.

And Devoted_to_Jude, you asked me to provide sources I did. So you then report me and say you’ve given a preemptive apology (which I guess you then rescinded with a full page rant after you said you didn’t feel comfortable further engaging me)? I don’t think that has much to do with responding to the sources I’ve presented (and I would consider giving someone the option they’re either malicious/devoid of the Holy Spirit or irrational/insane ad hominem). I’ll desist before you take any more reiterations as provocation.
 
Moving back to the original topic: I too would like to know in what ways Maronite theology differs from Latin and Byzantine theology. How do we traditionally interpret the Scriptures? Do we make more use of typology or allegory? Debates for/against the current recension of our Liturgy aside, what is the primary theological thrust of our liturgical tradition (I have my own thoughts on this, but am curious as to others).

I know that Maronites are unique even among other Syriac traditions in that we’ve always incorporated the insights of Greek theology with Syriac thought. Who are some of our primary early sources? Fr. Anthony Salim mentions Theodore of Mopsuestia and John Chrysostom. Chorbishop Seely Beggianni mentions Ephrem (the Syrian) of Nisibis and Jacob of Sarug. Are there any other Fathers that we’d “traditionally” turn to?

What about our spiritual/ascetic tradition. We like to tout that we are traditionally a monastic/desert spirituality. What are the sources we’d turn to for that? Philoxenus of Mabbugh? Isaac of Nineveh? The Book of Steps? What about the Desert Fathers - who do we typically turn to for that?
 
I know that Maronites are unique even among other Syriac traditions in that we’ve always incorporated the insights of Greek theology with Syriac thought. Who are some of our primary early sources? Fr. Anthony Salim mentions Theodore of Mopsuestia and John Chrysostom.
Untrue, that is not a uniqueness amongst us. The Antiochian tradition was inextricably linked to the Greek East due to geographic and political proximity (hence the presence of Byzantinizations in the West Syriac liturgies much more so than in the East Syriac liturgies). The veneration of Greek fathers is not unique to us. John Chrysostom was originally from Syria (as was Theodore). Reading from the Syriac Orthodox beth gazo, in a hymn that venerates certain Fathers about half are Greek (Basil, John C., Gregory). Pseudo-Dionysius and other Greek Fathers are mentioned within the Syriac Orthodox liturgy elsewhere. The only difference in the same hymn is that we replace Dioscorus with Dionysius and Severus/Clement with Amphilichius.

In addition to those, (generally Syriac and Maronite) hymnology refers to Cyril as the sweet spring or tower of truth, “fiery” Ignatius who is a sea of wisdom (presumably for his epistles), Jacob of Sarug and Ephrem of Nisibis for their extensive writings.
Chorbishop Seely Beggianni mentions Ephrem (the Syrian) of Nisibis and Jacob of Sarug. Are there any other Fathers that we’d “traditionally” turn to?
Or a favorite of Chorbishop Beggiani is John of Apamea. Our uniqueness might be that we actually have less Greek(-esque) thinkers than the other West Syriac Churches because of our relatively smaller exposure to Greek influences (e.g. Severus, whether monophysite or not, was educated in a typical Greek style and is very philosophical in his writings, unlike the Edessian Syriac Fathers). We made use of Aphrahat “the Sage.” While he’s not necessarily precluded from other West Syriacs, we have more explicit references (as shown by Msgr Seely). There’s also Isaac of Nineveh, whom all of the Western Syriac Churches venerate and read. Bar Hebraeus is almost exclusively Syriac Catholic/Orthodox; his very systematic manner of theology is very “Greek” - he’s commonly compared to Aquinas by Syriacs.

Who else off the top of my head? Athanasius, Origen, Eustasius, and some more particularly Syriac thinkers - Isaac of Antioch, John of Ephesus, Thomas of Marga. This is not meant to be an exhaustive list but show the great expanse of sources, both Greek and not, Antiochene and Edessan, Persian and Alexandrian.
What about our spiritual/ascetic tradition. We like to tout that we are traditionally a monastic/desert spirituality. What are the sources we’d turn to for that? Philoxenus of Mabbugh? Isaac of Nineveh? The Book of Steps? What about the Desert Fathers - who do we typically turn to for that?
Yes, Philoxenus (although excluded from our commemorations for rejecting Chalcedon) and Isaac of Nineveh are sources of Syriac monasticism. As are the Desert Fathers, particularly Anthony (hence the Antonine monks). Of course, all of the West Syriac Churches, and indeed, all the Oriental Churches are “monastic” in origin. There has been a tendency to stress things that are generally Oriental as our uniqueness and not speak of our real uniqueness. Like the fact we reference Antiochene theologians - no one except us would do so. Our prayers are traditionally older redactions than used by the rest of the Antiochene Syriac tradition. Malphono can tell you about our liturgical particularities that express a difference in theological emphasis. Our focus is eschatological, sacramental and penitential.
 
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Are you Eastern Orthodox? Did you resurrect this old thread to attack Maronites? The OP hasn’t been on CAF for over two years, you should have started a new thread.
 
Moving back to the original topic: I too would like to know in what ways Maronite theology differs from Latin and Byzantine theology. How do we traditionally interpret the Scriptures? Do we make more use of typology or allegory? Debates for/against the current recension of our Liturgy aside, what is the primary theological thrust of our liturgical tradition (I have my own thoughts on this, but am curious as to others).
Addendum to my last post, I missed this part.

Sebastian Brock actually has an excellent book on Syriac interpretation of Scripture called Treasure-House of Mysteries: Explorations of the Sacred Text through Poetry in the Syriac Tradition. Long story short, we do make use of allegory but we are much, much more literal than the Alexandrian school (cf. Ephrem’s Commentary on Genesis). Typology is used as the primary vehicle (think Platonic forms). An excellent example is Ephrem’s Hymns on the Nativity - the entire first hymn is all the typologies of Christ from the OT. We stress the continuing, rather than rupture, of OT to NT through typology. When our priests offer incense, they are Aaron when he stopped the angel of death from destroying the Israelites, etc. The Body of Christ is the completion of the manna from heaven or the coal that touched Isaiah’s lipped, and Mary was foreshadowed in the bush not consumed by fire or the jar of oil that abounded.

For liturgical theology, in part see my last post (sacramental, eschatological, penitential). The liturgy can be intuitively broken into three parts: the preparation is the Liturgy of Melchizedek, the second canonical hour is the Liturgy of Aaron and the third, most perfect part is the Liturgy of Our Lord (which also complements the idea of continuity very well). Malphono can speak more to the liturgy though.

If you reads the Maronite office for Epiphany, it answers both these two questions excellently: the Syriac tradition uses typological interpretative extrapolations of Scripture for use in liturgy - it implicitly compares Christ going down to the Jordan with Joshua by using the same language and talking about the river emptying itself. There’s also extensive interpretative work on how the Baptism of Christ made the waters a “furnace” for the armaments of the faithful (Jacob of Sarug) and an extrapolation of John’s refusal to baptize Christ because he was afraid, “like straw” he would be burned by the Fiery One.
 
That has been removed from the liturgy proper (2005). You will find that in +Doueihi’s (different from +++Doueihi) translation of the missal, the Raggi rites, the various festal rites or the FOTF but it has been removed from rites after that point.

And Devoted_to_Jude, you asked me to provide sources I did. So you then report me and say you’ve given a preemptive apology (which I guess you then rescinded with a full page rant after you said you didn’t feel comfortable further engaging me)? I don’t think that has much to do with responding to the sources I’ve presented (and I would consider giving someone the option they’re either malicious/devoid of the Holy Spirit or irrational/insane ad hominem). I’ll desist before you take any more reiterations as provocation.
Well this post certainly makes things more clear. Apparently your ability to rationalize a thing to fit your agenda is immense. The above is simply not an honest reading of my post, neither are your other comments about the Liturgical Commission it seems.

God bless, I do sincerely wish you the best in life.
 
Are you Eastern Orthodox? Did you resurrect this old thread to attack Maronites? The OP hasn’t been on CAF for over two years, you should have started a new thread.
I really want this tread to be get back on topic. You should read my posts as they will answer your questions.
 
Sebastian Brock actually has an excellent book on Syriac interpretation of Scripture called Treasure-House of Mysteries: Explorations of the Sacred Text through Poetry in the Syriac Tradition.
I am actually expecting this book to be delivered today. 🙂
 
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