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Steven_John
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Peace and blessings no worries, i do understand what you have to say but was trying to stay with the thread starter and tried to choose my words carefully saying profess.
Blessings to you and yours
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Blessings to you and yours
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qwerk
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What is your motivation for trying to make some tie? Have you read the Quran, hadith (at least some of it), or sIra? Or have you read sharia laws?
If you have I don’t know if I understand how you can distort the idea that there is a tie.
(I am just checking if I am on StevenJohn’s ignore list)
If you have I don’t know if I understand how you can distort the idea that there is a tie.
(I am just checking if I am on StevenJohn’s ignore list)
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Steven_John
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Peace and blessings, Bro i dont have an ignore list and did not realise you were speaking to me. To be honest i dont see much point of discussion with you as we to oft argue around for no value but in love will do my best.
The thread starter asked and it is the topic for the thread.
Yes
Did not quote me this thread if you think i did.
Bless ya stay well
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qwerk
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I. Christians believe in freedoms. We believe in education in the arts, sciences, literature, math, philosophy, etc. We think it is good to have our children do memorization but not as the only thing in their curriculum.
Muslims believe in submission. Not only submission of Muslims, but non-Muslims as well are required to submit - or die. And even that the acceptance of submission is restricted to certain groups of people that they define and I won’t go into here.
Muslim boys (in some areas of ‘extreme’ Islam’ girls are forbidden to go to school), are enrolled in madrassahs – religious boarding schools – learning very little beside memorizing and reciting the Quran.
II. Christians believe in a freedom of choice. We do not force or threaten people if they chose to be a Christian, or believe it is ok to kill them if they leave Christianity.
Islam does not believe in a freedom of choice. It says in Sharia laws (based on the Quran and sunna): (f1.3) Someone raised among Muslims who denies the obligations … … or denies something else which there is scholarly consensus (see b.7) and which is necessarily known as being from the religion,… thereby becomes an unbeliever (kafir) and is executed for his unbelief.
III. Christians are able to criticize ourselves (and I see no problem when some of us don’t agree with the other), and to reform, and to progress.
In Islam, it is taught that the Quran and therefore Sharia laws are unchangeable. Because they think it is the actual word of Allah. This is why we don’t see an end to such things as slavery, or cruelty to women, or the persecution of non-Muslims and homosexuals.
IV. Christians are able to separate Church and State. We are to be ‘Christian’ in our behavior towards ALL others no matter what religion they are. It is called the ‘Golden Rule’.
There is no Golden rule in Islam. If there is a resemblence to one, it is only Muslim to Muslim (see the definition of deen that follows).
Islam is considered a deen. There is no separation of Church and State. They are unable to do it in the long run. As their numbers grow and their power structure grows so too their demands of the lessening of the Church and State for them - no one else and we are to accept their laws and subjugate ourselves to them.
Muslims believe in submission. Not only submission of Muslims, but non-Muslims as well are required to submit - or die. And even that the acceptance of submission is restricted to certain groups of people that they define and I won’t go into here.
Muslim boys (in some areas of ‘extreme’ Islam’ girls are forbidden to go to school), are enrolled in madrassahs – religious boarding schools – learning very little beside memorizing and reciting the Quran.
II. Christians believe in a freedom of choice. We do not force or threaten people if they chose to be a Christian, or believe it is ok to kill them if they leave Christianity.
Islam does not believe in a freedom of choice. It says in Sharia laws (based on the Quran and sunna): (f1.3) Someone raised among Muslims who denies the obligations … … or denies something else which there is scholarly consensus (see b.7) and which is necessarily known as being from the religion,… thereby becomes an unbeliever (kafir) and is executed for his unbelief.
III. Christians are able to criticize ourselves (and I see no problem when some of us don’t agree with the other), and to reform, and to progress.
In Islam, it is taught that the Quran and therefore Sharia laws are unchangeable. Because they think it is the actual word of Allah. This is why we don’t see an end to such things as slavery, or cruelty to women, or the persecution of non-Muslims and homosexuals.
IV. Christians are able to separate Church and State. We are to be ‘Christian’ in our behavior towards ALL others no matter what religion they are. It is called the ‘Golden Rule’.
There is no Golden rule in Islam. If there is a resemblence to one, it is only Muslim to Muslim (see the definition of deen that follows).
Islam is considered a deen. There is no separation of Church and State. They are unable to do it in the long run. As their numbers grow and their power structure grows so too their demands of the lessening of the Church and State for them - no one else and we are to accept their laws and subjugate ourselves to them.
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seraphime2008
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Okay, agreed. But as I live in muslim majority country, I can assure you that their annual contribution of 2.5% of their income are very poorly distributed to the poor (I even suspect whether it really goes to the target), and it seems that contribution that needs to be collected as obligation performed only once in a year with a ratio wouldn’t help much the attitude of charity. Sorry if any would feel offended, but that’s how I see it.
Many poor muslims here in Indonesia were much helped by churches, but many times some fanatical muslims would come with accusation that the motivation would be to proselytizing and it triggers more hate towards the Christian.
Many muslims were accusing that as Christian we only pray during our weekly masses or service. But real devoted Christian do pray in a basis of their own allocated private time daily. This wouldn’t make a conflict with their effective time of working as they would choose time that would allow them to do so.
Muslim’s 5 times of prayers even take the time of effective working and also dictates a certain allocated place of worship in a working place. I take it as a “special treatment” or else a discrimination once they shout their so called “rights”.
I also think that those five certain allocated times for praying assigned to muslim is some sort of repetitive prayer with lack of real communication with God.
I always feel that the muslims are very proud of this practice that they think they would got more favor from God…(my own interpretation of how they always point finger how Christian lax or seemingly lax attitude towards praying).
I can assure you that there are many christians who still practice fast during lent or even during their own personal allocated time. Perhaps you don’t know that some Christian for some personal purpose, even fast for 3 consecutive days without meal and liquid just as what was done by many figures in the OT. And they don’t go around making a proclamation about it or ask anybody to respect him/her to not eat in front of them, lest they would be tempted…Unlike many muslims who live as majority that impose strict ban of eating in public etc…etc…
I always think that the concept of love of Christian and Muslims are different. If we can see that God is our Father, they would think that they are none than submitters of God. More fear should be attributed to their sort of “love”.
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qwerk
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seraphime2008, one thing about the fasting in Ramadan is that it really isn’t fasting as we know it. It is fasting during the day and gorging at night.
Muslims are demanding that when they are fasting that we are supposed to observe their thing too by doing certain things such as not eating around them or eating certain things such as pork. Well, the pork thing goes for all the time even though I don’t observe any of that with any Muslim I work with. If they want to infringe on my rights to eat what I want and when I want then they will have some problems ahead of them.
Jesus told us not to make a show of prayer too.
the reason why you might not see the Muslim charity going to the poor is because it is being diverted to Jihadists and also their families since they are included to get some of that money. It could also be a matter of definition too. Needy could mean some of their stealth Jihadist organizations that ‘need’ money. Zakat is outlined in Sharia laws H.8.
I should also add that another difference is that the black stone in Islam, as outlined in sharia laws w6.2 (1) page 853 it says:
(1) ‘The Black Stone is the right hand of Allah on this earth’
And that whole thing - the black stone, the kabaa, all the rituals around it are unique only to Islam. We do not believe that a rock holds God’s right hand. And this goes back to what I said about the behavior of Muslims towards it. It is why it appears like they worship it - it IS worship of it!
And that reminds me of another difference - that heaven of theirs! virgins, little boys, a gorge fest, etc.
#1. we don’t believe that killing others for God will get us to heaven, or dying while killing others will get us there quicker (bypass hell). Or that we can name 70 people and they will get those same benefits just because we died while killing others.
#2. we don’t believe that it is an orgy
(Matthew 22:30) “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.”
This all goes back to God telling us He will not lie to us and change His message.
Muslims are demanding that when they are fasting that we are supposed to observe their thing too by doing certain things such as not eating around them or eating certain things such as pork. Well, the pork thing goes for all the time even though I don’t observe any of that with any Muslim I work with. If they want to infringe on my rights to eat what I want and when I want then they will have some problems ahead of them.
Jesus told us not to make a show of prayer too.
the reason why you might not see the Muslim charity going to the poor is because it is being diverted to Jihadists and also their families since they are included to get some of that money. It could also be a matter of definition too. Needy could mean some of their stealth Jihadist organizations that ‘need’ money. Zakat is outlined in Sharia laws H.8.
I should also add that another difference is that the black stone in Islam, as outlined in sharia laws w6.2 (1) page 853 it says:
(1) ‘The Black Stone is the right hand of Allah on this earth’
And that whole thing - the black stone, the kabaa, all the rituals around it are unique only to Islam. We do not believe that a rock holds God’s right hand. And this goes back to what I said about the behavior of Muslims towards it. It is why it appears like they worship it - it IS worship of it!
And that reminds me of another difference - that heaven of theirs! virgins, little boys, a gorge fest, etc.
#1. we don’t believe that killing others for God will get us to heaven, or dying while killing others will get us there quicker (bypass hell). Or that we can name 70 people and they will get those same benefits just because we died while killing others.
#2. we don’t believe that it is an orgy
(Matthew 22:30) “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.”
This all goes back to God telling us He will not lie to us and change His message.
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Hereswith
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In the course of my profession, I spent a few years studying and writing on Islam. I agree with Reuben J. On the surface there are similarities, but when you learn more and look deeper, these similarities fall apart.
For example, the Muslim concept of God is very different from the Christian one. Jesus came to teach us about a loving God. The God of Islam is still a judgmental, vengeful God - a god of rules and swift punishment. Also, the Islamic God is primarily concerned only with the salvation of Muslims.
Charity of spirit - hmmm. Charity to other Muslims, yes. Shariah Law - which is the legal foundation of Islam - specifically discourages charity toward Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslims.
Christianity values virtues such as honesty. Islam actively encourages desception in furthering the cause/work of Allah (see the doctrine of taquiyya).
Christian countries allow the open practice of other religions. Muslim societies do not. (If you want to argue that there are Christians in muslim countries, you need to know that these churches are extremely limited, controlled by Shariah Law, forbidden certains times, modes, and frequencies of ritual; often forbidden to build places of worship; and are required to pay special taxes). For information on Christians abroad see Persecution.org.
The price of leaving Christianity is nothing - perhaps ostracization from your family or friends. In many Islamic countries and societies, the price of leaving Islam is death. And it is openly condoned when this is carried out.
So . . . . that is the tip of the iceberg. Islam is nothing - NOTHING - like Christianity. When we try to be politically correct we are hurting ourselves and betraying our faith and its values. You have to be brave enough to see the difference between good and evil, and speak to it. Christ called the moneylenders in the temple exactly what they were. He didn’t say, “Gee, we want to be inclusive, but maybe you shouldn’t be doing that. Or maybe we just don’t appreciate you enough.” He told them they were offending God.
I am all for inclusiveness. But when a religion preaches hate, persecution and desception - as Islam often does - we need to speak to it. In fact, as Christians, we have an obligation to speak to it.
For example, the Muslim concept of God is very different from the Christian one. Jesus came to teach us about a loving God. The God of Islam is still a judgmental, vengeful God - a god of rules and swift punishment. Also, the Islamic God is primarily concerned only with the salvation of Muslims.
Charity of spirit - hmmm. Charity to other Muslims, yes. Shariah Law - which is the legal foundation of Islam - specifically discourages charity toward Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslims.
Christianity values virtues such as honesty. Islam actively encourages desception in furthering the cause/work of Allah (see the doctrine of taquiyya).
Christian countries allow the open practice of other religions. Muslim societies do not. (If you want to argue that there are Christians in muslim countries, you need to know that these churches are extremely limited, controlled by Shariah Law, forbidden certains times, modes, and frequencies of ritual; often forbidden to build places of worship; and are required to pay special taxes). For information on Christians abroad see Persecution.org.
The price of leaving Christianity is nothing - perhaps ostracization from your family or friends. In many Islamic countries and societies, the price of leaving Islam is death. And it is openly condoned when this is carried out.
So . . . . that is the tip of the iceberg. Islam is nothing - NOTHING - like Christianity. When we try to be politically correct we are hurting ourselves and betraying our faith and its values. You have to be brave enough to see the difference between good and evil, and speak to it. Christ called the moneylenders in the temple exactly what they were. He didn’t say, “Gee, we want to be inclusive, but maybe you shouldn’t be doing that. Or maybe we just don’t appreciate you enough.” He told them they were offending God.
I am all for inclusiveness. But when a religion preaches hate, persecution and desception - as Islam often does - we need to speak to it. In fact, as Christians, we have an obligation to speak to it.
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Steven_John
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IME where i live the spirit of charity is mixed with obligation in both Christians and Muslims. Catholics and Muslims are quite giving and keen to share. Our protestant fellowships have had some problems and division lately. Our AOG community has had some members leave over spending money on capital works in preference to mission giving.
Both Christains and Muslims here are devout and slack in prayer depends on the individual i suppose. At the mosque around 90% of the community will come for prayer if arranged where in our Catholic parish about 1-2% came to lenten devotions. As for serving each other that seems to vary from individual to individual with the exception maybe of our protestant communities they say they will get along but the communities get petty over whos building a service will be in and then scatter. No wonder they have real issues with other denominations and religions. They poke each other as wrong too often and then have real trouble coming together on what they do agree on. It is a problem with righteousness or judgement i guess. Where i live i feel Catholics serve best. In CAF i would say the same but Catholics do have the numbers and i have met some here that are oft on the “Sadducee and Pharisees” track just like the protestants i spoke of. None of us are immune seems regardless of the faith we profess.
Most of the Christians communities here still do some fasting though it varies, from going without one pleasure to full fasting. I must admit Muslims do hide their fasts well and dont tell anyone about it. I know one Imam who played cricket all day in 40 deg C plus temps without complaint. It is nice they do not let others know as it can be uncomfortable for non fasting people to be around others fasting.
Yes we are all seeking best as we know how based on experience and upbringing.
I praise and thank G-d for your encouraging us to look for anything good of each other to share. Even in the darkest seeming human their is a glimmer of light, together in love lets fan the flame.
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seraphime2008
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Algebra…
sorry if this seems to be in conjunction with ur background.
But isn’t it a factual data that there are also many westeners who happen to fall in love with muslims (man or woman) who eventually are the ones who easily leave their “religion” or “root of culture” of Christianity or Western values, to eagerly accept Islam as a new identity that brings to them more sense of purpose or any other sense they may find lacking in their own former society?
If I recall, I can tell you that there are many of my Indonesia muslims girlfriends who succeeded in getting married with westeners and most successfully convert them to islam.
There are so many things that needed to be worked out regarding your concern about islamization of the west.
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qwerk
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You are judging the rest of the world by some small microcosm of what your world consists of. But if you looked at their texts, they are going against what they are taught in them.
I don’t judge Christians whether or not they fast or not. I don’t care. I don’t care whether a Muslim fasts or not, just don’t tell me I have to observe it too and tip toe around because of that. But it seems that people have to tip toe around you if we tell you that the majority of Islam is not what your world is. And if you are getting their texts so wrong, I wonder about your world.
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Steven_John
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Peace and blessings, Bro this is why i dont have discussions with you.
I did not Judge the world at all, yes i have spoken for this little spec of the planet.
But what is your issue with me do you need me to tell you you are right? are you in need of reassurance? do you need people to be in submission to you? you assert so much more into what i post. Who guides you this way?
Great i dont care if people fast or not either, i could argue Christians are not to fast given Yeshua (pbwh) has promised to be always with us and we dont fast until he is taken from us. But i can tell everyone here in this little spec of the planet Muslims fast all day and are encouraged to eat small when breakfast. It is you who has some problem if you dont care dont quote and post me.As for the bold quote me or is it another of your lies in correcting my posts
. No but i do believe you should respect the intention of this thread, it does not ask for debate and clearly speaks of not wanting to discuss differences.
You have no basis for considering i get their texts wrong other than what is in your own head.
All i have tried to do in this thread is support the thread starter and encourage respect for what they asked to discuss. And keep posters to the words i posted.
The way you treat me no wonder you thought i had some sort of list to ignore you.
You quote a post that i start with IME and decide i am judging all Muslims. Maybe it is you who have judged all Muslims. If i judged all protestants by you i would be begrudging to help in the next working bee.
Bless you Qwerk, with respect best we don’t post to each other, whatever truth i offer gets you going. Sadly I was not sent to this post to encourage you but to encourage Kingdom builders.
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rinnie
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I have been reading about them. Actually I thought we were really more connected then we really are.
But I did find out one thing that was great to hear. The have alot of respect for the Mother of Christ.
But I did find out one thing that was great to hear. The have alot of respect for the Mother of Christ.
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dzheremi
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In terms of claimed similarities, or actual ones? As some have noticed, they are two entirely different things. I do think the OP’s list is a good one, even if I don’t necessarily agree with every point of it. It seems to me that poster Steven John is getting a bit of a raw deal in this thread. Let him express himself without being immediately torn to shreds, guys.
My own personal experience with Muslims mainly came via education when I took Arabic classes at the local university where I used to live in Oregon, though there were a few in some of my Linguistics courses earlier than that in college. I observed the following, which I recognized as having parallels (never perfect correspondences) in Christianity:
My own personal experience with Muslims mainly came via education when I took Arabic classes at the local university where I used to live in Oregon, though there were a few in some of my Linguistics courses earlier than that in college. I observed the following, which I recognized as having parallels (never perfect correspondences) in Christianity:
- A commitment to ritual, such as pre-prayer washing rituals. The main difference here would be the ritual observed by Catholics or Orthodox I knew would be centered primarily within the community (at Mass or Divine Liturgy), while the Muslims would do them anywhere. This seems consistent with the Muslims’ idea of the centrality of prayer in everyday life (I’m certainly not saying that for Christians it is otherwise, only that the importance attached to the ritual itself is different, e.g. we do not worry about our prayers being rejected due to physical dirtiness on the part of the supplicant).
- An openness towards curious outsiders. The reaction of the young Muslim lady in one of my linguistics classes to seeing me cramming for an Arabic test prior to the start of our lessons one day was essentially the same as that of an Armenian Orthodox friend when I mentioned Armenia’s status as the first national Church in the world: “You know about that?!” Not a terribly religion-specific point, but it certainly is reflected in each communities’ respective scripture, from the Qur’anic injunction of coming to a “common word” among Muslims and non-Muslims (even as I essentially recognize this as another form of dawa from Muslims, and I am not interested), to the Christian stance of “come, let us reason together”. Each group begins at the outset with the presupposition that their way is the “reasonable” way and leaves either disappointed or pleasantly surprised.
- Among Eastern Christians (primarily) and Sufi Muslims, an inclination towards mysticism and away from legalism. Obviously I find the Christian retention much more authentic (for lack of a better way to put it), but to the extent the Sufism is a legitimate attempt at connection with the Divine borne of a reaction against worldliness, certain very basic (I would maintain ultimately incorrect) parallels could be drawn between it and Christian monastic movements. In other words, Islam does not have true monasticism, but its closest possible analogue to that would be Sufism.
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qwerk
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You covered the ties in the first two posts. And even those are questionable.
Can we judge the ideology instead of the Muslims? Are you able to do that? Since we have to deal with the real world and not your micrcosm of a sliver of a world, we are dealing with the real muslims. And in my world they are attacking Jews on campuses, trying to divest from Israel which is illegal but they are doing it because of information based on propaganda against Israel. They are going to have a 2 week hate fest at UCIrvine that I plan to attend to counter. We had a gal attacked because she was wearing a cross. So what we have is the face of Islam that shows up after their peaceful face has slipped off. Or what happens when they feel more powerful.
We have our schools teaching the sort of stuff you are trying to push off on people which is basically untruths about Islam and Muhammad. I could go on.
As for needing to be right, no - I wish I were not. But I am not going to jeopardize people’s souls into having them think that Islam is something it is not for some weird reason that you are unable to handle someone disagreeing with you.
You tell everyone that there is a tie, and therefore that is it. You think we are supposed to all lie down and accept whatever you type whether it is true or not. Believe it or not I can separate the ideology from the people. You think I attack the people when I am not - I am indeed attacking the ideolgoy of Islam.
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Reuben_J
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With due justice to this thread, what do Muslims and Christians share, perhaps there is some truth in what the OP suggests. I just need a little elaboration on the idea.
What Steven John opined, those I don’t agree simply because of the obvious contradiction between Christian and Islam belief on the subjects. He tried to explain his points in support of his assertion but to me they just do not make sense if we are speaking about similarities.
The problem with trying to find similarities with Islam is that although we may use the same words we do not have the same meaning and understanding of the words. That’s why those seemingly similarities are simply deceptive. And this is what Islam comes through to many Christians – it is seen as a religion filled with many deceptions.
When we talk about the prophets that are common in the Bible and the Quran, Christians can be inadvertently thinking that we speak about the same persons. But no, we don’t. I don’t know how they get their information on many aspects of the stories and personalities that are found both in the Bible and the Quran, but definitely they are not the same thing; at least the stories are different.And therefore one of us has to be wrong.
Some Islamic belief that contradict Christianity:
That prophets did not sin.
That David and Solomon were prophets. That their accounts of adulteries and worship other gods (Solomon) in the Bible were supposed to be lies perpetrated by Biblical writers.
Then they would talk about Mary having Aaron as a brother.
Then they would say Jesus is ONLY a prophet.
Then they would say they are Jesus followers but if one look at the Quran, one can hardly find any teachings of Jesus and his spoken words there.
I can consider fasting as common between the two religions. It is both mandated. We have our Lent and them Ramadan. However, Islam enforces of fasting takes away much of the virtue of the practice.
However, it is different with Judaism. There are no factual differences in the Bible except for the NT which they do not have. That I can say is similar – we both believe and obey the Ten Commandments and agree with the accounts of the stories in the OT.
What Steven John opined, those I don’t agree simply because of the obvious contradiction between Christian and Islam belief on the subjects. He tried to explain his points in support of his assertion but to me they just do not make sense if we are speaking about similarities.
The problem with trying to find similarities with Islam is that although we may use the same words we do not have the same meaning and understanding of the words. That’s why those seemingly similarities are simply deceptive. And this is what Islam comes through to many Christians – it is seen as a religion filled with many deceptions.
When we talk about the prophets that are common in the Bible and the Quran, Christians can be inadvertently thinking that we speak about the same persons. But no, we don’t. I don’t know how they get their information on many aspects of the stories and personalities that are found both in the Bible and the Quran, but definitely they are not the same thing; at least the stories are different.And therefore one of us has to be wrong.
Some Islamic belief that contradict Christianity:
That prophets did not sin.
That David and Solomon were prophets. That their accounts of adulteries and worship other gods (Solomon) in the Bible were supposed to be lies perpetrated by Biblical writers.
Then they would talk about Mary having Aaron as a brother.
Then they would say Jesus is ONLY a prophet.
Then they would say they are Jesus followers but if one look at the Quran, one can hardly find any teachings of Jesus and his spoken words there.
I can consider fasting as common between the two religions. It is both mandated. We have our Lent and them Ramadan. However, Islam enforces of fasting takes away much of the virtue of the practice.
However, it is different with Judaism. There are no factual differences in the Bible except for the NT which they do not have. That I can say is similar – we both believe and obey the Ten Commandments and agree with the accounts of the stories in the OT.
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Steven_John
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Peace and blessings,
In my first post that started all this i said
My post was in the spirit of the thread sharing not my opinion of who is right and who is wrong.
The poster before this says it well in we have different meanings in words and it works in all directions. I know when i dont type well my English is difficult for some.
I have a poor command of english so have studied up on this first post wording.
I would like some people to consider how you have treated me from this first post, do you think your helping my use of english.
In my life i aspire to live more in they way of Yeshua (pbwh) i made simple statements of truth that supported good and kind intentions of Br Algabra.
I assume most of you here who took issue with me over this post and what came from it PROFESS to be in the way of Yeshua (pbwh).
Bless yas and loves all a bunch, know you all want to do well for Him so we should be looking to Yeshua (pbwh) way and He will bless you and yours
To those who treated me me well I praise Our Father for you and give glory to His name, you encourage me to be patient a little longer.
“I will be what I will be”, you have free will so choose who you see
In my first post that started all this i said
Dictionary
If two people say they have a green car and one has a blue one and one green** it is still truth to say both profess to have a green car**.
My post was in the spirit of the thread sharing not my opinion of who is right and who is wrong.
The poster before this says it well in we have different meanings in words and it works in all directions. I know when i dont type well my English is difficult for some.
I have a poor command of english so have studied up on this first post wording.
I would like some people to consider how you have treated me from this first post, do you think your helping my use of english.
In my life i aspire to live more in they way of Yeshua (pbwh) i made simple statements of truth that supported good and kind intentions of Br Algabra.
I assume most of you here who took issue with me over this post and what came from it PROFESS to be in the way of Yeshua (pbwh).
Bless yas and loves all a bunch, know you all want to do well for Him so we should be looking to Yeshua (pbwh) way and He will bless you and yours
To those who treated me me well I praise Our Father for you and give glory to His name, you encourage me to be patient a little longer.
“I will be what I will be”, you have free will so choose who you see
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Hereswith
Guest
Steven John, your command of English is just fine. As someone who has struggled with language in another culture, I must share with you what someone once said to me: it isn’t important that you are always grammatically correct. It is only important that your message is understood. If you are making yourself understood, that is good enough, and perfection will come in time.
I think some of the problem may be the meanings between the lines, as we say in English. Sometimes the speakers from another, non-English culture, can seem abrasive and too harsh when using English, without meaning to. It is a question of unspoken etiquette. What you see as merely voicing your opinion, can be heard in English as if you are forcing your opinion upon those who don’t agree. Perhaps you are already aware of these nuances, but I wanted to offer mention of it for your benefit.
I think you are very brave to be using this language to post here, in some complex conversations. Peace.
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jakasaki
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If I’m not mistaken, English is Steven Johns primary/main language.Steven John, your command of English is just fine. As someone who has struggled with language in another culture, I must share with you what someone once said to me: it isn’t important that you are always grammatically correct. It is only important that your message is understood. If you are making yourself understood, that is good enough, and perfection will come in time.
I think some of the problem may be the meanings between the lines, as we say in English. Sometimes the speakers from another, non-English culture, can seem abrasive and too harsh when using English, without meaning to. It is a question of unspoken etiquette. What you see as merely voicing your opinion, can be heard in English as if you are forcing your opinion upon those who don’t agree. Perhaps you are already aware of these nuances, but I wanted to offer mention of it for your benefit.
I think you are very brave to be using this language to post here, in some complex conversations. Peace.
I did ask him somewhere in one of these threads what was his native language because I have a hard time understanding his posts.
I do believe he said English is his native language, however, he suffers from some sort of dyslexia which he attributes to “misunderstood” replies.
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I hope i have not led you to think english is my second language its supposed to be my first, in my schooling i had a say stressed life and am dyslexic. Thanks be to G-d computers help hide. Although when i was a financial planner i did send a lot of form letters to my client saying “call me at your connivance” so much for spell checkers.Steven John, your command of English is just fine. As someone who has struggled with language in another culture, I must share with you what someone once said to me: it isn’t important that you are always grammatically correct. It is only important that your message is understood. If you are making yourself understood, that is good enough, and perfection will come in time.
I think some of the problem may be the meanings between the lines, as we say in English. Sometimes the speakers from another, non-English culture, can seem abrasive and too harsh when using English, without meaning to. It is a question of unspoken etiquette. What you see as merely voicing your opinion, can be heard in English as if you are forcing your opinion upon those who don’t agree. Perhaps you are already aware of these nuances, but I wanted to offer mention of it for your benefit.
I think you are very brave to be using this language to post here, in some complex conversations. Peace.
Its about being understood the post i was referring to i just don’t know how i could have put it simpler or less abrasive.
As for the posts that get dragged out of me i try to write between the lines so people don’t speculate and tell me what i believe or what ulterior motive i have.
Still any way prayer inspires me its just about moving on and be open for the next guidance maybe at times it is not the splinter in my eye but the words of some one with worse vision and in more pain just tryn to do their best also.
Bless you and yours a big bunch
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