What do Muslims think about Jesus?

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One of those days, Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (Luke 6:12)

Jesus wept (John 11:35)
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You posted a lot more verses than this, but trying to prove that Jesus was a human here is preaching to the choir. We agree with that 100%. In fact, the event where Jesus wept was actually mentioned in a group theology class I was in specifically to illustrate this! I thought you were trying to disprove our beliefs here? Or, do you really know what it is we believe?
 
Peace to you brother,
I will answer your question despite its out of topic and long.

The Holy Qur’an was presented to the people of Arabia by the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. It was presented in parts over a period of 23 years of his prophetic life. The book presents itself as the word of Allah and the Holy Prophet also presented it as such.

The Muslims believe that the Holy Qur’an, being the revealed word of Allah, is the cornerstone of their faith. They get their philosophy, beliefs and laws from this book it is the basic source of the Islamic faith. It is the Word of Allah revealed to His Messenger, Muhammad, peace be upon him, who read it out before the world loud and clear. Not only did he recite it to the people of Arabia, he also made elaborate arrangements to ensure that its contents be preserved and his Companions should learn it by heart and should also write it down. The Holy Prophet’s stress on the supremacy of the Book of Allah, over all other sources of knowledge, was unequivocal and categorical.

The Holy Qur’an has reached us through Tawatur: The Holy Qur’an has reached us through the process of Tawatur (historical continuity and perpetuation achieved through transfer from generation-to-generation) When we say that the Qur’an has reached us through Tawatur, we imply that so many people in every generation conveyed it to the next and so on that there can be no doubt about its authenticity.
It was not transmitted by a few persons in one generation to a few persons in the next. It was handed over by the entire generation to the next generation. The Generation of the Companions witnessed the revelation and compilation of the Holy Qur’an during the life of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and then handed it over to the next generation and so on. Its certainty has far exceeded the need for any debate. In the presence of established history, we would not accept any individual reports and rumors to the contrary. For instances a report in one of the history books that claims that Akbar the Great never ruled in India, would not be considered by us. The fact that Akbar the Great ruled over India for half a century is so established, that any odd report to the contrary would be simply ignored. So is the case of the Holy Qur’an. Since it has achieved the status of Tawatur, no odd report would affect its credibility.

When generations and generations of people without interruption hold the Qur’an as the one and only version of the divine guidance received from the Holy Prophet, such reports would not infringe upon its authenticity. The evidence for the Qur’an is so overwhelming, involving millions of people, that it would simply override any odd reports that may be found anywhere.”

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gurrato alaien:
Peace to you brother,
I will answer your question despite its out of topic and long.
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Oh, I meant that you could have started a new thread… sorry for the misunderstanding. :o
 
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In the light of the above, dear brother, it’s clear that all what non-Muslims say or fabricate against the Glorious Qur’an is totally groundless, for the authenticity of the Qur’an is not only upheld by Muslims but confirmed by non-Muslims as well, as will be clarified in the following:
“Attesting to the Qur’an’s authenticity, in his best-seller book The Bible, The Qur’an and Science the French researcher, historian, scientist Dr. Maurice Bucaille writes: “Thanks to its undisputed authenticity, the text of the Qur’an holds a UNIQUE Place among the books of Revelation, shared neither by the Old nor the New Testament. In the first two sections of this work (meaning his book), a review was made of the alterations undergone by the Old Testament and the Gospels before they were handed down to us in the form we know today.
The same is not true for the Qur’an for the simple reason it was written down at the time of the Prophet; we shall see how it came to be written, i.e. the process involved . . … As the Revelation progressed, the Prophet and the believers following him recited the text by heart, and it was written down by the scribes in his following. It therefore starts off with two elements of authenticity that the Gospels do not possess.” Professor Hitte also writes: "Biblical text has been subjected to editorial and amendatory treatment, but not the Qur’anic … In its phonetic and graphic reproduction, as well as in its linguistic form, the Qur’anic text is identical with its celestial original. " The Qur’an is unique in consistency, harmony, intelligence and rationality: The Qur’an is the book without inconsistencies; one part of its text, (or doctrine) does not clash with the other. In fact, it sets the absence of contradiction, irrationality, and incoherence, as one of the criteria for checking the authenticity of any divine revelation. It states “Do they not ponder the Qur’an (with care)? Had this book been from anybody but Allah, you would have found much inconsistencies.” (Surat An-Nisa:82). Because contradictions and inconsistencies call for the negation of one part, which is in conflict with the other and this automatically invalidates portions of the book. In turn that makes it difficult for a man to remain true to any one value, thereby creating mental conflict, emotional and spiritual instability. “Skip some, follow some,” “pick and choose” and “no absolutes” become the pattern. And these exercise an extremely damaging influence upon a truth-conscious, rational man with regard to belief in Allah and with regard to the credibility of the book itself. And it leads to dilemmas where sincere minds become “disjointed” and “disenchanted,” eventually steering them away from the book or turn them into hypocrites.

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who had absolutely no reason to favor one book, especially that of Islam, over the others (if anything, as human nature is, he would only favor the books of his own religion, but not the Qur’an) attests to the Qura’nic claim in his book. "The Quran … is not only free from contradictions in its narrations, the sign of various human manipulations to be found in the Gospels, but provides a quality of its own for those who examine it objectively and in the light of science i.e. its complete agreement with modern scientific data.”

The Book may be great but what is its impact on the people, you might ask. If no impact it has any significance. How true! The Qur’an is unique in terms of its Blitzing Impact, also.

There have been many other religious books and revelations before the Qur’an. But of these, only the Holy Qur’an had the most electrifying impact upon the people. Its lightning-like rapidity, in a short few decades, reached the hearts and minds of the masses of several continents, transforming the lives of idolaters, alcoholics, exploiters, abusers, perverts, into men and women of pristine monotheism, of highest virtue and piety. Call it what you may - the most sensational spiritual revolution, or the spiritual blitzkrieg, the revolution of which the mankind had never witnessed before. To this very day, no other religion comes even close to matching Qur’an’s record of the spectacular impact on lives of masses.”

Peace
 
gurrato alaien said:
“Attesting to the Qur’an’s authenticity, in his best-seller book The Bible, The Qur’an and Science the French researcher, historian, scientist Dr. Maurice Bucaille writes: "Thanks to its undisputed authenticity, the text of the Qur’an holds a UNIQUE Place among the books of Revelation, shared neither by the Old nor the New Testament. In the first two sections of this work (meaning his book), a review was made of the alterations undergone by the Old Testament and the Gospels before they were handed down to us in the form we know today.
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I want to point out two things real quick… This “Dr. Bucaille” for all the high praises he’s supposedly given the Quran, has not to this day converted to Islam. He’s still a Catholic, but apparently made a lot of money telling Muslims what they wanted to hear. Not that I necessarily endorse that. Second, it’s probably true that the words of today’s Quran were the authentic ones of the “original” (Uthmannic) Quran. The issue in question is whether or not those words came from God.
 
Peace to you again
1-I think Muslims are unlike some Christians who pay to the poor people especially in Africa to convert them to Christianity.

2-Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was Illiterate and the Quran came to tell us some scientific facts before 1400 years, the science has proved it recently. This is a simple proof prove that the Quran Is Gods words

Peace
 
gurrato alaien:
Peace to you again
1-I think Muslims are unlike some Christians who paid to the poor people especially in Africa to convert them to Christianity.
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Ad hominem… good job.
gurrato alaien:
2-Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was Illiteracy and the Quran came to tell us some scientific facts before 1400 years, the science has proved it recently. This is a simple proof prove that the Quran Is Gods words

Peace
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The Quran does not have any scientific facts. What it contains is either stuff that was known well before it’s time, or unrelated passages that people have since attempted to force into a scientific context.

As for the Dr. Bucaille I just mentioned, for all the impressive “scientific evidence” he says there is in the Quran, don’t you find it strange that never did he himself convert to Islam? People like that know who they can sucker money from by telling them what they want to hear. Take a look at this:

This article appeared in the News From Bangladesh on April 18, 2001.
How Western Scientists Discovered $cience in Quran!
*“It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God or Allah”.
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      *      **Bravo!  What   could be a better statement than this from an infidel to please the Islamists!**   **Notice that he never mentioned whether the statements in the Qur’an are scientific or not. He simply stated what the Islamists wanted to hear, took his money and went home.****He never   converted to Islam.**    **He just fooled the ever-gullible Islamists and the new Mullahs and   laughed all his way to the bank.**
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Look, these “scientific miracles” are completely nuts. Nobody takes them seriously. This is like something Jack van Impe would use to prove the apocalypse is at hand, loosely associating a couple of words in the book of Revelations to current events AFTER they have taken place. Do you seriously believe this stuff?
 
gurrato alaien:
Peace to you brother,

I am sorry, I am not here to annoyed any body nor to attack any religion
My first post was to explain what do Muslims think about Jesus.

And Tonks40 said that the Scripture indicates the Divinity of Jesus:

I cited from the bible the contrary that Jesus was not God nor son of God.
So my purpose was the discussion only.

Peace
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In John 10:36, Jesus said, “Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”

I think Jesus answered the Quran rather well.

We do know that the Bible advises not to follow islam, which if you think about is amazing since Islam occured only 600 years after Christ.
Yet the Bible specifically warns us against it.

Surely only God can prophesize such a thing.

Here are the verses in question from Galatians 1

[21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
[27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
[30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
[31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
 
Bible corruption

We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption! “`How can you say, “We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’ (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!

See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.

The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted. The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.
 
gurrato alaien:
Bible corruption

We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption! “`How can you say, “We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’ (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!

See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.

The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted. The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.
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How much do you guys want to bet this was all just quickly copy/pasted from some muslim propaganda site without giving credit? *-_-
 
guarrato,

Now you’re just wildly throwing a bunch of random verses you don’t like out there without any forethought. Take a deep breath, count to ten, and if you must start another thread for this little bible verse barrage of yours.
 
The problem with Islam is that since it really has no positive proof for its existence, it has to rely on attacking and trying to disprove Christianity in order to prove its unfounded claims.

Their only “proof” is: The Quran is the word of God because the Quran says so and it says so because Mohammed says so! It’s completely illogical!
 
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and after some times about 50 years, more than 50% from the world will be Muslims, you still really have doubt that Islam has no positive proof for its existence!!!?.
 
gurrato alaien:
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and after some times about 50 years, more than 50% from the world will be Muslims, you still really have doubt that Islam has no positive proof for its existence!!!?.
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Yes and I know that with you being in the drivers seat so to speak you will wind up suppressing my religion and my beliefs when you become the majority which the west guarantees with its beleif in fairmess. You use western democracies to further your domination of law and religion.

StMarkEofE
 
If the majority become Muslims and Islam rule the world you will see justice and the peace everywhere even among Non-Muslims. It will stop wars, killing, murders, double standers …
 
gurrato alaien:
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and after some times about 50 years, more than 50% from the world will be Muslims, you still really have doubt that Islam has no positive proof for its existence!!!?.
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NOT in India
 
gurrato alaien:
If the majority become Muslims and Islam rule the world you will see justice and the peace everywhere even among Non-Muslims. It will stop wars, killing, murders, double standers …
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Yes, sure! It would be the greatest reign of terror the world has ever seen! But nothing is going to destroy Christianity because we have our Lord Jesus Christ’s assurance that not even the gates of hell would prevail against his Church!
 
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