What do Muslims think when no where is it mentioned "God of Ishmael"?

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In the OT and the NT, it is generally said “God of Abraham, The God of Isaac and the God of Jacob” as Jesus also does. Even Moses himself says the same. So how do Muslims feel, because as i understand, they connect themselves to Ishmael because he is son of Abraham.

Any idea or opinions?

MJ
 
It doesn’t bother me at all. Abraham Isaac and Jacob were all righteous men, but Ishmael doesn’t have to be mentioned in order to know about Allah. Besides, there are 99 names of Allah; that’s good enough. 😃
 
drac16 said:
It doesn’t bother me at all. Abraham Isaac and Jacob were all righteous men, but Ishmael doesn’t have to be mentioned in order to know about Allah. Besides, there are 99 names of Allah; that’s good enough. 😃
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Drac, why do you think however why Ishmael isn’t mentioned. What is the reason?

MJ
 
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Drac, why do you think however why Ishmael isn’t mentioned. What is the reason?

MJ
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He is mentioned in the Qur’an, just not very much. In fact, Isaac is not mentioned much either. Allah knows best why that is. Perhaps because Allah doesn’t want people to fight over whether Isaac is superior or whether Ishmael is. It’s not our place to say one is greater than the other; that’s up to God to decide.
 
drac16 said:
He is mentioned in the Qur’an, just not very much. In fact, Isaac is not mentioned much either. Allah knows best why that is. Perhaps because Allah doesn’t want people to fight over whether Isaac is superior or whether Ishmael is. It’s not our place to say one is greater than the other; that’s up to God to decide.
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Sure. He’s mentioned in the Qur’an. However keep in mind Jacob is son of Isaac. So a direct lineage. So any prophet in Islam (like Moses and Jesus) use Ishmaels lineage in the Qur’an?

Btw Moses is from the tribe of Levi which is lineage of Jacob. Jesus is lineage of Isaac /Jacob.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Sure. He’s mentioned in the Qur’an. However keep in mind Jacob is son of Isaac. So a direct lineage. So any prophet in Islam (like Moses and Jesus) use Ishmaels lineage in the Qur’an?

Btw Moses is from the tribe of Levi which is lineage of Jacob. Jesus is lineage of Isaac /Jacob.

MJ
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Well, Moses and Jesus both had Jewish mothers, so they were descended from Isaac. Only a few prophets of Islam were descended from Ishmael. The prophets from Ishmael’s lineage were Hud, Saleh, Shu’ayb and Muhammad. Spiritually, though, they were all united. They have the same spiritual lineage. Islam is more than about what tribe you were born into.
 
drac16 said:
Well, Moses and Jesus both had Jewish mothers, so they were descended from Isaac. Only a few prophets of Islam were descended from Ishmael. The prophets from Ishmael’s lineage were Hud, Saleh, Shu’ayb and Muhammad. Spiritually, though, they were all united. They have the same spiritual lineage. Islam is more than about what tribe you were born into.
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Esau also was same mother as Jacob, but no one says God of Esau either. So what does Islam say about that? Just for my knowledge. Thanks advance.

One last thing because it jusf curiosity of mine. In comes In two parts.

A. In Islam is it taught that Ishmael together with Isaac buried father Abraham after his death?

B. Does Islam teach that Abraham was earlier Abram? In the same token was Jacob name was also called Israel?

Look forward to any thing you can reveal.

God bless

MJ
 
religionresearchinstitute.org/mohammad/ishmael.htm

From the above site:
Muslims believe that Mohammed is a descendant of Ishmael. As proof of their position, Muslims refer to genealogies written around 770-775 A.D. by Ibn Ishak.
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What he has written is simply not true. Ishmaelite tribes, especially the tribe of Nebaioth from which, according to Ibn Ishak, Mohammed is said to have come, were nomadic tribes who lived in the Sinai and Fertile Crescent deserts. These tribes disappeared after the 7th century B.C.
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Mohammed’s family was a Sabaean Yemeni family, while the Ishmaelites, who lived in the deserts of the Fertile Crescent, became extinct many centuries before Mohammed’s family left Yemen.
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Historians say that the family of Mohammed was a family which lived in Saba-Yemen. In the 5th century A.D., Qusayy Bin Kilab, the 8th ancestor of Mohammed, gathered an alliance of many Yemeni families forming Quraish, the tribe from which Mohammed later came. These families only came to occupy Mecca in the 5th century A.D. The city of Mecca was built by the tribe of Khuzaa’h in the 4th century A.D.
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Mohammed’s family is not connected to any Ishmaelite tribe because Mohammed’s family didn’t leave Yemen until the 5th century A.D., and that’s about 1,100 years after the Ishmaelites disappeared. Mohammed’s tribe could not have lived in the same locations as the Ishmaelite tribes at any time throughout history.
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Martin,

You should read the entire link. It is very informative.

Pam
 
MartinJordan said:
In the OT and the NT, it is generally said “God of Abraham, The God of Isaac and the God of Jacob” as Jesus also does. Even Moses himself says the same. So how do Muslims feel, because as i understand, they connect themselves to Ishmael because he is son of Abraham.

Any idea or opinions?

MJ
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I don’t think it matters much to them. They know Ishmael was sent away and God still blessed him. The Tanakh is for the Jewish people and the Bible is for the Christians, so of course it would focus on God being there for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Jesus. Plus, many of them believe the Tanakh/Bible has been corrupted and changed.
 
jakasaki said:
religionresearchinstitute.org/mohammad/ishmael.htm

From the above site:

Martin,

You should read the entire link. It is very informative.

Pam
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I didn’t read the entire link, but I don’t think it would be compelling evidence to negate Muhammad’s connection to Ishmael. People tended to stay in their groups, but that doesn’t mean people didn’t wonder off or were never captured as slaves. It’s possible that Muhammad was connected in some way. Ishmaelites probably dispersed and joined other tribes over time. Plus, scientifically speaking all humans are related.
 
The Qur’an never mentions Esau by name. I’m not aware of any Hadith that does.

A) No. Abraham’s burial is not mentioned in the Qur’an and I don’t think it’s mentioned in a Hadith (I could be wrong, though). However, Abraham was almost murdered, according to the Qur’an. The people he preached to tried to kill him by setting him on fire, but Allah saved him. You can find that in Surah 29:24 as well as 21:66-71

B) The Qur’an says nothing about Abraham/Abram’s name change. It doesn’t specifically mention Jacob’s name change, but implies it. Countless times in the Qur’an, the Jews are called ‘Bani Israeel’, or ‘Children of Israel’. Surah 17 is named after the Jews. :yup:
 
drac16 said:
The Qur’an never mentions Esau by name. I’m not aware of any Hadith that does.
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So you are not aware Jacob had a brother? Is that what you are saying ?
A) No. Abraham’s burial is not mentioned in the Qur’an and I don’t think it’s mentioned in a Hadith (I could be wrong, though). However, Abraham was almost murdered, according to the Qur’an. The people he preached to tried to kill him by setting him on fire, but Allah saved him. You can find that in Surah 29:24 as well as 21:66-71
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Please check on the Hadith.

Surely since Ishmael and Isaac would have been together to bury their father. That is in Scripture.
B) The Qur’an says nothing about Abraham/Abram’s name change. It doesn’t specifically mention Jacob’s name change, but implies it. Countless times in the Qur’an, the Jews are called ‘Bani Israeel’, or ‘Children of Israel’. Surah 17 is named after the Jews. :yup:
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Strange don’t you think the name change was by God Himself and it is missing in the Qur’an about our Spiritual father father of nations!

Genesis 17: 4 “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram[a]; your name will be Abraham,** for I have made you a father of many nations.

Very perplexing. Especially when we learned this since young.

MJ**
 
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