I have heard Catholics complain that Novus Ordo was more Protestant than Lutheran worship.
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thebible
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What do Protestants really beieve about the Catholic Church?
The Catholic Church is just rituals and works
Since Protestants believe that Salvation is by grace and not works (Ephesians 2:8-9)
The Catholic Church is just rituals and works
Since Protestants believe that Salvation is by grace and not works (Ephesians 2:8-9)
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rcwitness
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What is vastly more important, is what do Catholics believe about the Catholic Church!!!
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TULIPed
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With respect - speak for yourself.
I’m Protestant and I’m thankful that the Roman Catholic Church protected orthodoxy and doctrine for 1600 years before the Reformation - and continues to do so on a great many doctrines that we agree upon. I’m thankful for the great many Catholic brothers and sisters I have that love Jesus and praise him as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
I’d suggest you take the time to read the Roman Catholic Catechism. I think you’d find it interesting.
I’m Protestant and I’m thankful that the Roman Catholic Church protected orthodoxy and doctrine for 1600 years before the Reformation - and continues to do so on a great many doctrines that we agree upon. I’m thankful for the great many Catholic brothers and sisters I have that love Jesus and praise him as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
I’d suggest you take the time to read the Roman Catholic Catechism. I think you’d find it interesting.
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GKMotley
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Um-hm.
And where might one find this title?
And where might one find this title?
I’m sorry. It doesn’t matter which communion you belong to, you don’t get to speak for Protestants. Speak for your own communion or yourself.
This is factually false. I don’t know what you mean by rituals and I hope you’ll elaborate, but Catholics are as aware as any group that salvation is by grace.
And Catholics know this as well. I will let them speak to their teachings on works, but good works are necessary. Denying this is unscriptural
What are his teachings on the means of grace, the sacraments?
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Hope1960
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My husband was raised Baptist, now he identifies as Christian but practices no faith. His church never put down Catholics.
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Augustinian
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I think that’s probably the most common situation. Most churches are more concerned with their own teachings rather than spend effort denouncing others including Catholics.
Unless its an apocalyptic sect like the SDA which has a lot of specific prophecies which the Catholic Church is identified with, really not too much of a point to stir the pot.
Of course, individual people in every denomination and sect, as well as unaffiliated folks, might have individual opinions.
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What a pity that Protestants stop at Ephesians 2:9. Y’all really need to read verse 10. I’m sure it’s in your preferred version of the Bible. I gave the verse earlier in the thread from my Catholic Bible. Here it is from the KJV.
Ephesians 2:10
“10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
And from the NIV
Ephesians 2:10
10 For we are God’s handiwork,created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
You need to understand that the good works Catholics speak of when explaining the Church’s teachings are not works that are done in vain. They are the good works He has given us to bring honor and glory to Him. They are not done to glorify ourselves.
Ephesians 2:10
“10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
And from the NIV
Ephesians 2:10
10 For we are God’s handiwork,created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
You need to understand that the good works Catholics speak of when explaining the Church’s teachings are not works that are done in vain. They are the good works He has given us to bring honor and glory to Him. They are not done to glorify ourselves.
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lilypadrees
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Read Pope Fiction by Patrick Madrid. He explains the myths Protestants have been led to believe about the Pope.
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lilypadrees
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I’ve heard that preacher since his program comes on after the Catholic Mass locally. Couldn’t turn the channel fast enough.
Total Protestant teaching. Good for Protestants but not Catholics, imho.
Total Protestant teaching. Good for Protestants but not Catholics, imho.
Good for which protestants? Most protestants are not “prosperity” types.
So, saying that a prosperity preacher is “totally protestant teaching” is as much a misrepresentation as “The Catholic Church is just rituals and works”.
Didn’t answe my question, and I think you exaggerate the popularity of prosperity preaching.Good for which Protestants? Any that like his type of preaching. A lot of them do since they recommend him so much.
I don’t like it because it is not an accurate usage of the term Protestant. Protestant is not a monolithic group. It is a general term that is used to loosely categorize a very broad array of distinct communions.
Lutherans are as dissimilar to Pentecostals as Catholics are. Anglicans do not resemble American Evangelicals in any meaningful way beyond that they are both Christians.
So, no, you didn’t answer it accurately. For many, your answer was as inaccurate as @thebible ‘s description of Catholics
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William_Scott
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As a Protestant I have a great deal of respect for much of what is taught and practiced in the Roman Catholic Church (e.g. their strong biblical stance against artificial birth control). However, I also have a number of significant differences. One of the biggest issues I have with Roman Catholicism (and Eastern Orthodoxy for that matter) is the beliefs and practices toward saints and angels.
I believe communicating or seeking to communicate with those who have passed from this life is necromancy–even in the sanitized prayer form encountered with RC/EO. The Scriptures teach that we are not to speak to/seek to speak to/invoke the name of those who have passed from this world–even those who are alive with God.
It was taught in the Old Testament that even the Old Testament saints are alive with God. Christ pointed out to the Sadducees how the Pentateuch taught that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are alive. However, this is never cited in Scripture as a ground for invoking a departed Saint. Rather, any attempted communication with the departed, whether or not he/she is a saint, is explicitly condemned. We have true communion with all those alive in God in Heaven and Earth, but this does not entail that we can invoke those whom we have no physical means of communication with (either on Earth or in Heaven).
Further, we have countless prayers of praise and supplication recorded for us as a perfect pattern in Sacred Scripture and every single prayer is offered to God and not one of them to a saint. To invoke and offer prayer is treated throughout Scripture as an act of worship, and when a specific saint or angel is invoked/prayed to I believe it is by its very nature an act of worship that is being given to a creature rather than the Creator. Definitions of latria vs. dulia and hyperdulia are of little benefit in defending these practices. Scripture defines idolatry by the action of the heart and not the formal definition of what is done or intended to be done (for instance, Scripture calls covetousness idolatry although it is very rare that any covetous person intends to offer latria towards that which he covets).
All this said, I will readily admit that I have plenty of “household gods” in my heart and life and that I often set these gods up in my heart far more quickly than I break them down. My frequent idolatry towards self, the world and the things in it likely outstrips in God’s Eyes any sacrilege that I believe to be committed towards saints or angels by my Roman Catholic brethren. I’m off this thread for the time being–so have a great weekend all.
I believe communicating or seeking to communicate with those who have passed from this life is necromancy–even in the sanitized prayer form encountered with RC/EO. The Scriptures teach that we are not to speak to/seek to speak to/invoke the name of those who have passed from this world–even those who are alive with God.
It was taught in the Old Testament that even the Old Testament saints are alive with God. Christ pointed out to the Sadducees how the Pentateuch taught that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are alive. However, this is never cited in Scripture as a ground for invoking a departed Saint. Rather, any attempted communication with the departed, whether or not he/she is a saint, is explicitly condemned. We have true communion with all those alive in God in Heaven and Earth, but this does not entail that we can invoke those whom we have no physical means of communication with (either on Earth or in Heaven).
Further, we have countless prayers of praise and supplication recorded for us as a perfect pattern in Sacred Scripture and every single prayer is offered to God and not one of them to a saint. To invoke and offer prayer is treated throughout Scripture as an act of worship, and when a specific saint or angel is invoked/prayed to I believe it is by its very nature an act of worship that is being given to a creature rather than the Creator. Definitions of latria vs. dulia and hyperdulia are of little benefit in defending these practices. Scripture defines idolatry by the action of the heart and not the formal definition of what is done or intended to be done (for instance, Scripture calls covetousness idolatry although it is very rare that any covetous person intends to offer latria towards that which he covets).
All this said, I will readily admit that I have plenty of “household gods” in my heart and life and that I often set these gods up in my heart far more quickly than I break them down. My frequent idolatry towards self, the world and the things in it likely outstrips in God’s Eyes any sacrilege that I believe to be committed towards saints or angels by my Roman Catholic brethren. I’m off this thread for the time being–so have a great weekend all.
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GKMotley
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Some Anglicans don’t much resemble other Anglicans, for that matter.
Not even counting those who decline to answer to the name protestant.
Not even counting those who decline to answer to the name protestant.
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Augustinian
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Ditto with the baptists. Liberal baptists like President Carter and Clinton have little resemblance to the late Jerry Falwell
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GKMotley
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True, that.
When I was a Baptist, back in the previous geological era , I didn’t look or sound much like my compeers.
When I was a Baptist, back in the previous geological era , I didn’t look or sound much like my compeers.
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Kellypat18
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Yeah this is very varied. I am a part of a reformed tradition. I’ve seen tracts from my church concerning Catholicism and their plan for salvation and how what they believe is wrong. I’ve seen a family very upset with a daughter dating a Catholic young man. I’ve been in the membership class years back when they taught us that the Catholic perspective on the Eucarist was wrong and like cannibalism, and how mass is very pagan, full of secularism. I’ve also had friends visit Rome and avoid the Catholic stuff or say that it was sad when they saw pilgrimages.
Overall, many of them are earnest, misinformed, or very stuck in their own tradition. But my cousin attends a non denominational church and I think she is open to Catholicism. Our mothers’ family is Catholic and our fathers’ is agnostic or Protestant, so that is probably why.
My husband was anti Catholic when I started discovering the Catholic Church, and his family was Catholic, sort of. His parents who are non religious nowadays disagree with the Catholic Church a lot but then they don’t even understand much nor care to be informed. I think that is what most people do. But I am happy to report that after a few years, my husband’s heart has been opened to the Catholic Church. He told a friend about it but his friend was very concerned for my husband and sent him about 10 YouTube videos showing why the CC is evil. He’s a rogue Christian and doesn’t believe or trust any tradition, especially the CC. It’s bad though because he doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the holy spirit is not a person, and he can’t seem to make up his mind about the Sabbath being on Saturday, Sunday or based on a lunar calendar? It’s just chaos. There are many Protestants who need prayers to find the truth!
Overall, many of them are earnest, misinformed, or very stuck in their own tradition. But my cousin attends a non denominational church and I think she is open to Catholicism. Our mothers’ family is Catholic and our fathers’ is agnostic or Protestant, so that is probably why.
My husband was anti Catholic when I started discovering the Catholic Church, and his family was Catholic, sort of. His parents who are non religious nowadays disagree with the Catholic Church a lot but then they don’t even understand much nor care to be informed. I think that is what most people do. But I am happy to report that after a few years, my husband’s heart has been opened to the Catholic Church. He told a friend about it but his friend was very concerned for my husband and sent him about 10 YouTube videos showing why the CC is evil. He’s a rogue Christian and doesn’t believe or trust any tradition, especially the CC. It’s bad though because he doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the holy spirit is not a person, and he can’t seem to make up his mind about the Sabbath being on Saturday, Sunday or based on a lunar calendar? It’s just chaos. There are many Protestants who need prayers to find the truth!
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