What do Protestant really believe about the Catholic Church?

[VeryBlessed]

Maybe I’m being too charitable, but those Catholics who say such things to you are likely very happy as Catholics. Maybe what they really mean is, I wish your father to be as happy and at home in heaven as I am in my church. Maybe they are wishing their contentedness on you (sometimes nicely, sometimes harshly). We all like being right, and as such, probably claim it more often than is justified. In general, choose to believe the best of people. As one particular hero of mine (and yours) said when surrounded by humanity at its worst, Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.

 

[Wannano]

Maybe I’m being too charitable, but those Catholics who say such things to you are likely very happy as Catholics. Maybe what they really mean is, I wish your father to be as happy and at home in heaven as I am in my church. Maybe they are wishing their contentedness on you (sometimes nicely, sometimes harshly). We all like being right, and as such, probably claim it more often than is justified. In general, choose to believe the best of people. As one particular hero of mine (and yours) said when surrounded by humanity at its worst, Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.

Nobody has said it directly to me but it has appeared recently on a couple of threads. One also suggested that the first Eucharist is awaiting all those at the Gate. Is this a Catholic belief officially?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

One also suggested that the first Eucharist is awaiting all those at the Gate. Is this a Catholic belief officially?

No. It is someone’s personal idea.

 

[VeryBlessed]

I don’t know, that’s a new thought to me, never heard that before. Regarding heaven though, it’s all about “Christ in you, the hope of glory”. There we shall have a complete fullness of unity with Christ, which the Eucharist (and accepting Jesus in your heart) is an experience of, but perhaps limited by our earthly constraints. As great as a Eucharistic experience can be here, as great as the best worship & praise driven “sense of Gods presence” can be here, I can’t help but to believe heaven will be like seeing in color after a lifetime of seeing only in black & white. BTW, so sorry to hear of your Dad. Me too, about 18 months ago. Miss him a lot.

 

[Wannano]

I don’t know, that’s a new thought to me, never heard that before. Regarding heaven though, it’s all about “Christ in you, the hope of glory”. There we shall have a complete fullness of unity with Christ, which the Eucharist (and accepting Jesus in your heart) is an experience of, but perhaps limited by our earthly constraints. As great as a Eucharistic experience can be here, as great as the best worship & praise driven “sense of Gods presence” can be here, I can’t help but to believe heaven will be like seeing in color after a lifetime of seeing only in black & white. BTW, so sorry to hear of your Dad. Me too, about 18 months ago. Miss him a lot.

He was ready and made that known …Even to the nurses, they loved and respected him for his testimony. He was 96 and looking forward to it.

 

[Wannano]

Wannano:

One also suggested that the first Eucharist is awaiting all those at the Gate. Is this a Catholic belief officially?

No. It is someone’s personal idea.

Thanks, I am claiming that and running with it!

 

[steve-b]

You gotta remember I am in Australia. I am sure there are protestants here, somewhere. WE don’t have your evangelical traditions. Although we do have Hillsong Church and our new Prime Minister belongs to it.

Thanks be to God we have a Church going deeply spiritual leader, even if he is not Catholic.

Q: Could I ask, your church is Catholic but your spiritual leader is not Catholic? What religion is your leader?

 

[steve-b]

MichaelP3:

Why not just Christian on here as well. I make a point to refer to any non-Catholic “whatever” as simply that, Non-Catholic. Also I wont go and call anything non-Catholic, Christian as that would also be unfair to Catholics.

The term Protestant is totally superfluous in my opinion as the fact that there is a Catholic Church has absolutely no relevance to my faith.

It took me a while to process what you are saying here but I finally got it! You are absolutely right…the term “Protestant” no longer has a useful purpose. How to deal with the Catholic/Christian thing is difficult, for example, I recently engaged in conversation with a street vendor in Mexico. We got onto the subject of Religion and when I asked him if he was Catholic, he responded with "I am Catholic, but really more Christian than Catholic."

Their response suggests to me a major lack of formation .

 

[Wannano]

Wannano:

MichaelP3:

Why not just Christian on here as well. I make a point to refer to any non-Catholic “whatever” as simply that, Non-Catholic. Also I wont go and call anything non-Catholic, Christian as that would also be unfair to Catholics.

The term Protestant is totally superfluous in my opinion as the fact that there is a Catholic Church has absolutely no relevance to my faith.

It took me a while to process what you are saying here but I finally got it! You are absolutely right…the term “Protestant” no longer has a useful purpose. How to deal with the Catholic/Christian thing is difficult, for example, I recently engaged in conversation with a street vendor in Mexico. We got onto the subject of Religion and when I asked him if he was Catholic, he responded with "I am Catholic, but really more Christian than Catholic."

Their response suggests to me a major lack of formation .

I can see how you arrive at that but to be fair to him, he did go on to explain that he has been attending a Baptist type church and enjoying it.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Christian, Scott Morrison belongs to Hillsong Church. its a very large and very vibrant congregation, some really good singers come out of it,
https://hillsong.com/about/

 

[steve-b]

steve-b:

Wannano:

MichaelP3:

Why not just Christian on here as well. I make a point to refer to any non-Catholic “whatever” as simply that, Non-Catholic. Also I wont go and call anything non-Catholic, Christian as that would also be unfair to Catholics.

The term Protestant is totally superfluous in my opinion as the fact that there is a Catholic Church has absolutely no relevance to my faith.

It took me a while to process what you are saying here but I finally got it! You are absolutely right…the term “Protestant” no longer has a useful purpose. How to deal with the Catholic/Christian thing is difficult, for example, I recently engaged in conversation with a street vendor in Mexico. We got onto the subject of Religion and when I asked him if he was Catholic, he responded with "I am Catholic, but really more Christian than Catholic."

Their response suggests to me a major lack of formation .

I can see how you arrive at that but to be fair to him, he did go on to explain that he has been attending a Baptist type church and enjoying it.

That goes to the point of formation. For a further explanation, using scripture, Deliberately Missing Mass on Sunday is a huge sin, for the following reasons

 

[steve-b]

Christian, Scott Morrison belongs to Hillsong Church. its a very large and very vibrant congregation, some really good singers come out of it,
About Hillsong Church | Church

There’s the answer to your question about finding a Protestant community

AND

Here’s who started them Leadership | Church

 

[Wannano]

Wannano:

steve-b:

Wannano:

MichaelP3:

Why not just Christian on here as well. I make a point to refer to any non-Catholic “whatever” as simply that, Non-Catholic. Also I wont go and call anything non-Catholic, Christian as that would also be unfair to Catholics.

The term Protestant is totally superfluous in my opinion as the fact that there is a Catholic Church has absolutely no relevance to my faith.

It took me a while to process what you are saying here but I finally got it! You are absolutely right…the term “Protestant” no longer has a useful purpose. How to deal with the Catholic/Christian thing is difficult, for example, I recently engaged in conversation with a street vendor in Mexico. We got onto the subject of Religion and when I asked him if he was Catholic, he responded with "I am Catholic, but really more Christian than Catholic."

Their response suggests to me a major lack of formation .

I can see how you arrive at that but to be fair to him, he did go on to explain that he has been attending a Baptist type church and enjoying it.

That goes to the point of formation. For a further explanation, using scripture, Deliberately Missing Mass on Sunday is a huge sin, for the following reasons

I am not willing to judge this poor fellow, all I know is that his countenance brightened when he realized he was talking to someone who understands and believes in his relationship with Jesus.

 

[steve-b]

steve-b:

Wannano:

steve-b:

Wannano:

MichaelP3:

Why not just Christian on here as well. I make a point to refer to any non-Catholic “whatever” as simply that, Non-Catholic. Also I wont go and call anything non-Catholic, Christian as that would also be unfair to Catholics.

The term Protestant is totally superfluous in my opinion as the fact that there is a Catholic Church has absolutely no relevance to my faith.

It took me a while to process what you are saying here but I finally got it! You are absolutely right…the term “Protestant” no longer has a useful purpose. How to deal with the Catholic/Christian thing is difficult, for example, I recently engaged in conversation with a street vendor in Mexico. We got onto the subject of Religion and when I asked him if he was Catholic, he responded with "I am Catholic, but really more Christian than Catholic."

Their response suggests to me a major lack of formation .

I can see how you arrive at that but to be fair to him, he did go on to explain that he has been attending a Baptist type church and enjoying it.

That goes to the point of formation. For a further explanation, using scripture, Deliberately Missing Mass on Sunday is a huge sin, for the following reasons

I am not willing to judge this poor fellow, all I know is that his countenance brightened when he realized he was talking to someone who understands and believes in his relationship with Jesus.

This still goes to formation. That’s why I gave the scriptural references to back up that point.

In extension to that point,

Jesus gave a massive qualifying statement in that the consequences for not obeying this is a HUGE point

Jesus is speaking of the Eucharist John 6:53-58 RSVCE - So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, - Bible Gateway . And the consequences if one doesn’t obey? The Eucharist is in the Church He established. Of which there is to be no division from it. John 17:22-24 RSVCE - The glory which thou hast given me I - Bible Gateway .

That’s what I mean by his formation was lacking.

 

[Wannano]

I grasp your understanding, however, from your standpoint would the lack of formation be a fault of the Church or only a lack of his own understanding.

Do you agree that whatever failed him in his Catholic experience, when he now truly repents and follows the Jesus he has come to know, that there was rejoicing in heaven?

 

[Roseeurekacross]

They call themselves by a different name as a Church, and we must respect that. Protestant is not a universal term, like Catholicism.

What is Hillsong Church?

We are a Christian church that is a part of the Australian Christian Churches (ACC), a movement of over 1,000 churches and more than 250,000 believers across Australia. We are also connected to tens of thousands of other churches around the world. Hillsong Conference – one of the world’s largest annual Christian gatherings – is attended by people from every denomination including Salvation Army, Anglican, Catholic, Baptist, and Pentecostal. For the ACC’s full constitution, history, leadership and statement of belief, please visit www.acc.org.au

The primary function of Christian churches across the world – regardless of denomination – is to build people’s spiritual lives, and meet the fundamental needs of faith: discipleship, teaching, worship, missions and church planting. On top of these basic spiritual building blocks, Hillsong Church is committed to world class youth and children’s programs, ministries for all ages, pastorally supporting families and marriages, counselling services and hospital support, as well as general pastoral care to thousands within and beyond our church community. Hillsong Church also runs a successful Bible College with over 1500 students attending from all over the world who come to study. The income of the college is invested back into the costs of the college.

https://hillsong.com/faqs/

 

[steve-b]

I grasp your understanding, however, from your standpoint would the lack of formation be a fault of the Church or only a lack of his own understanding.

In the overall, i’d say it’'s not either/or but both. But in the particular, “ignorance” of what one should know and doesn’t, given today’s ease of gaining knowledge, then such ignorance falls on the individual. Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 1791

Wannano:

Do you agree that whatever failed him in his Catholic experience, when he now truly repents and follows the Jesus he has come to know, that there was rejoicing in heaven?

there is a qualification

When Peter talked about this very instance, Peter put knowledge / formation at the top of priorities of priorities, in things one is to ever increase on, as in education 2nd on the list, as in all those attributes, never stops increasing but knowledge is at the top of priorities of priorities…as in 2 pet 1:5-11 RSVCE - For this very reason make every effort - Bible Gateway, and in the Greek, “fall” = http://bibleapps.com/greek/4417.htm Ignorance isn’t presumed innocent. As in they are responsible…IF… Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 1791

AND

From “Thayer’s”
“b. to fall into misery, become wretched (often so in Greek writings): of the loss of salvation, 2 Peter 1:10”. as in http://bibleapps.com/greek/4417.htm

 

[steve-b]

They call themselves by a different name as a Church, and we must respect that. Protestant is not a universal term, like Catholicism.

What is Hillsong Church?

We are a Christian church that is a part of the Australian Christian Churches (ACC), a movement of over 1,000 churches and more than 250,000 believers across Australia. We are also connected to tens of thousands of other churches around the world. Hillsong Conference – one of the world’s largest annual Christian gatherings – is attended by people from every denomination including Salvation Army, Anglican, Catholic, Baptist, and Pentecostal. For the ACC’s full constitution, history, leadership and statement of belief, please visit www.acc.org.au

The primary function of Christian churches across the world – regardless of denomination – is to build people’s spiritual lives, and meet the fundamental needs of faith: discipleship, teaching, worship, missions and church planting. On top of these basic spiritual building blocks, Hillsong Church is committed to world class youth and children’s programs, ministries for all ages, pastorally supporting families and marriages, counselling services and hospital support, as well as general pastoral care to thousands within and beyond our church community. Hillsong Church also runs a successful Bible College with over 1500 students attending from all over the world who come to study. The income of the college is invested back into the costs of the college.

Helpful Answers to FAQs About Heart for The House | Church

They aren’t Catholic, they are one of the 40,000 + different types of Protestant communities.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

They do not call themselves Protestant. I have never met anyone in real life who does, in Australia.

 

[MichaelP3]

And it’s a nonsensical term. It may have a very specific meaning historically and taking that into account will render it totally irrelevant today.

I also see there is a reference to the so called 40000 denomination. That should already put a HUGE questionmark on any validity!