What Do Protestants Think About This Scripture?

[RomanCath379]

"“There are still many other things that Jesus did, yet if they were written about in detail, I doubt there would be room enough in the entire world to hold the books to record them.” John 21:25

This is where The Catholics believe in Tradition. Word of mouth from the Early Church Fathers and others who had witnessed things about Christ before the bible ever came into the hands of the people. After all, didn’t Christ speak word of mouth?

 

[Bill_Pick]

"“There are still many other things that Jesus did, yet if they were written about in detail, I doubt there would be room enough in the entire world to hold the books to record them.” John 21:25

This is where The Catholics believe in Tradition. Word of mouth from the Early Church Fathers and others who had witnessed things about Christ before the bible ever came into the hands of the people. After all, didn’t Christ speak word of mouth?

Yes this is why Cathloic believe in Tradition and also believe in the false teaching of Sola Scriptura

 

[JonNC]

"“There are still many other things that Jesus did, yet if they were written about in detail, I doubt there would be room enough in the entire world to hold the books to record them.” John 21:25

This is where The Catholics believe in Tradition. Word of mouth from the Early Church Fathers and others who had witnessed things about Christ before the bible ever came into the hands of the people. After all, didn’t Christ speak word of mouth?

This is why Lutherans, too, use tradition - the early councils, creeds, ECF’s, and the Lutheran confessions. The only difference is we expect and require all teachings and teachers to be measured by scripture.

Jon

 

[AmericanJosiah]

“There are still many other things that Jesus did, yet if they were written about in detail, I doubt there would be room enough in the entire world to hold the books to record them.” John 21:25

My thoughts…

Jesus DID some things that John did not record in the 21 chapters of the book he penned. For example, Jesus probably but on His sandals on Palm Sunday but it’s not recorded. Now, sometimes, Catholic like to change the words to something entirely different, editing out what is there and replacing with other words, so that it reads, “Jesus taught a whole lot of dogmas that The Holy Spirit is keeping out of all of Scripture - but will be revealed in time to The Catholic Church.” But here’s one of those cases where it’s helpful to pay attention to what is actually stated.

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[Nine_Two]

My thoughts…

Jesus DID some things that John did not record in the 21 chapters of the book he penned. For example, Jesus probably but on His sandals on Palm Sunday but it’s not recorded.

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Yes, clearly it’s a reference to mundane facts.

 

[RomanCath379]

My thoughts…

Jesus DID some things that John did not record in the 21 chapters of the book he penned. For example, Jesus probably but on His sandals on Palm Sunday but it’s not recorded. Now, sometimes, Catholic like to change the words to something entirely different, editing out what is there and replacing with other words, so that it reads, “Jesus taught a whole lot of dogmas that The Holy Spirit is keeping out of all of Scripture - but will be revealed in time to The Catholic Church.” But here’s one of those cases where it’s helpful to pay attention to what is actually stated.

I thought it was Luther who changed Scripture??
Surely you know this as a Lutheran…

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[spockrates]

I suppose what Protestants think depends on the Protestant. Fundamentalist Baptists and Evangelicals, for example, might have a different understanding than a Liberal Methodist or Lutheran.

 

[ljubim]

This is why Lutherans, too, use tradition - the early councils, creeds, ECF’s, and the Lutheran confessions. The only difference is we expect and require all teachings and teachers to be measured by scripture.

Jon

Yes, but you choose which tradition to follow and which to throw out.

 

[JonNC]

Yes, but you choose which tradition to follow and which to throw out.

That charge can go in different directions. And indeed, some Tradition can be made without benefit of council, though it’s authoritativeness can also be questioned.
But none of that was the subject of the thread. The op asked what we make of that verse, and I responded.

Jon

 

[2nd_Adam]

"“There are still many other things that Jesus did, yet if they were written about in detail, I doubt there would be room enough in the entire world to hold the books to record them.” John 21:25

This is where The Catholics believe in Tradition. Word of mouth from the Early Church Fathers and others who had witnessed things about Christ before the bible ever came into the hands of the people. After all, didn’t Christ speak word of mouth?

That’s a tough one to validate extra-biblical sources of revelation. If we use that to validate Sacred Tradition, why can’t Mormon Christians use the exact same Scripture to validate the Book of Mormons and Doctrine and Covenants? In addition, Catholics and Protestant both point to the writings of Early Church Fathers to support their views of Chrstian doctrine.

 

[2nd_Adam]

This is why Lutherans, too, use tradition - the early councils, creeds, ECF’s, and the Lutheran confessions. The only difference is we expect and require all teachings and teachers to be measured by scripture.

Jon

That’s my belief too.

 

[Nine_Two]

That’s a tough one to validate extra-biblical sources of revelation. If we use that to validate Sacred Tradition, why can’t Mormon Christians use the exact same Scripture to validate the Book of Mormons and Doctrine and Covenants?

So what you’re arguing is that since it can be abused, we should go with Sola Scriptura just to be on the safe side?

That might be all well and good, except we have roughly 750,000,000 different interpretations based on Sola Scriptura, and each one claims to be correct.

The idea that tradition can be made up, does not invalidate all tradition.

 

[2nd_Adam]

So what you’re arguing is that since it can be abused, we should go with Sola Scriptura just to be on the safe side?

That might be all well and good, except we have roughly 750,000,000 different interpretations based on Sola Scriptura, and each one claims to be correct.

The idea that tradition can be made up, does not invalidate all tradition.

Actually, I consider myself to be a creedal and confessional Christian who adheres to sola scriptura. Since you are Orthodox, please tell me the difference between Catholic and Orthodox tradition, and what is to be received as truth. It is my understanding that both the Orthodox and Catholic Church claim to be the One True Church, seperate and distinct from each other.

 

[JonNC]

So what you’re arguing is that since it can be abused, we should go with Sola Scriptura just to be on the safe side?
That might be all well and good, except we have roughly 750,000,000 different interpretations based on Sola Scriptura, and each one claims to be correct.

I thought 33,000 was exaggerated.

The idea that tradition can be made up, does not invalidate all tradition

And this I agree with.

Jon

 

[Carlan]

Yes this is why Cathloic believe in Tradition and also believe in the false teaching of Sola Scriptura

Catholics believe, Sacred Tradition, the Sacred Scipture(the Bible) and the Magisterium( the teaching authority of the Church) One does not stand without the other. Carlan

 

[2nd_Adam]

Catholics believe, Sacred Tradition, the Sacred Scipture(the Bible) and the Magisterium( the teaching authority of the Church) One does not stand without the other. Carlan

I believe the Catholic churches that there are traditions and Sacred Traditions. How do you determine if a source is just tradition, or Sacred Tradition as a Catholic? The Catholic Catechism does not specific to list of sources which are part of Sacred Tradition.

 

[RomanCath379]

That’s a tough one to validate extra-biblical sources of revelation. If we use that to validate Sacred Tradition, why can’t Mormon Christians use the exact same Scripture to validate the Book of Mormons and Doctrine and Covenants? In addition, Catholics and Protestant both point to the writings of Early Church Fathers to support their views of Chrstian doctrine.

Could you lease show me where any Early Church Father represented anything that was a Protestant idea? Which ECF do Protestants believe? Because there weren’t any Protestants around until the 15th century…

 

[RomanCath379]

My signature is of an ECF, do they believe in what Augustine said here?

 

[2nd_Adam]

My signature is of an ECF, do they believe in what Augustine said here?

Augustine is pre-reformation, or 1,200 or so years before the Protestant Reformation. Personally, I believe Augustine would be one of the giants of the Protestant Reformation along-side of Luther and Calvin.

 

[2nd_Adam]

Could you lease show me where any Early Church Father represented anything that was a Protestant idea? Which ECF do Protestants believe? Because there weren’t any Protestants around until the 15th century…

The Protestant idea that we are speaking about were not new ideas, but they were believed by the Early Church Fathers, and most importantly they were believed by the Apostles. Heck, I can give you a link to Reformed.org which links you to all the writings of the Early Church Fathers. If you study the writings of the Apostles, you will find the truth of Christianity.