What do Religious people say to this?

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buffalo said:
Yes it is
No it’s not
Yes it is. and round and round we go. Refute my links/citations if you can.

The “simplest” organism is complex.
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Just a moment Mr Buffalo.

You said that life is primarily driven by intelligence. I said it is not.

I never said that life is not complex, merely that the complexity is reducible.
 
Cristiano said:
You did not answer the question. Please provide proof of either/or concept.
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The explanation of how proteins fold, the proof if you will, is in the article. If you can’t take it in that’s your problem. If you want me to answer a question on Darwinian selection, you’ll have to be more specific.

Now, since you like to talk about proof, you prove to me there’s an intelligent designer.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
The explanation of how proteins fold, the proof if you will, is in the article. If you can’t take it in that’s your problem. If you want me to answer a question on Darwinian selection, you’ll have to be more specific.

Now, since you like to talk about proof, you prove to me there’s an intelligent designer.
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Red herring and lack of response. Please skip intentional fallacies in a debate unless you want to be remembered for using the vile methods proposed by Schopenhauer.
 
Cristiano said:
Red herring and lack of response. Please skip intentional fallacies in a debate unless you want to be remembered for using the vile methods proposed by Schopenhauer.
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You seriously want me to paraphrase 200 years of biological research into one forum post?

Are you mad?

If you want specific answers, then ask specific questions, that is not a vile thing to ask.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
The explanation of how proteins fold, the proof if you will, is in the article. If you can’t take it in that’s your problem. If you want me to answer a question on Darwinian selection, you’ll have to be more specific.

Now, since you like to talk about proof, you prove to me there’s an intelligent designer.
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Show me a code, symbol or language found in nature.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
You seriously want me to paraphrase 200 years of biological research into one forum post?

Are you mad?

If you want specific answers, then ask specific questions, that is not a vile thing to ask.
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Yes - I have to do it all the time.🙂
 
buffalo said:
Got a better source that Wiki - I usually don;t bother with them.
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Wiki, provided there are citations, is an excellent source for explaining things in lay terms.
What drives the folding in the particular way? How early in life was folding present?
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The properties of the ammino acids. One key factor is whether the amino acid is hydrophilic or hydrophobic.

How early in life was folding present? I’m not a paleontologist, but if I had to guess I’d say very early.
 
buffalo said:
Yes - I have to do it all the time.🙂
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Prove to me that the Universe is an owl.

Prove to me that the wind is produced by little air fairies.

Prove to me that thunderstorms are caused by Mjolnir.

If you ask a ludicrous question, you can only ever get a ludicrous answer, or be told straight out to **** off.
 
Cristiano said:
1- red herring
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Ask me a question that makes sense and I’ll answer it.

Otherwise, your next post will be your last I ever read.

You see, I don’t think you can ask me a pertinent question. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about…
 
Moonstruck888 said:
Prove to me that the Universe is an owl.

Prove to me that the wind is produced by little air fairies.

Prove to me that thunderstorms are caused by Mjolnir.

If you ask a ludicrous question, you can only ever get a ludicrous answer, or be told straight out to **** off.
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1-Burden of proof
2-Personal attack
 
Moonstruck888 said:
Ask me a question that makes sense and I’ll answer it.

Otherwise, your next post will be your last I ever read.

You see, I don’t think you can ask me a pertinent question. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about…
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I am just making a list of of the classical fallacies that are being used in your posts! This is a typical exercise that students do when analyzing a debate. They do that to show what is a meaningful argument and reject what is fluff.
 
lemondiesel said:
I would like to share this article with you guys, and please, do not bash me. I am in no way trying to disprove/prove, argue/agree with any of you. I am just wondering what religious people thoughts are about this.

guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form
Please, take the time to read it, because it is actually very, very interesting, and well, historic.
“defining moment in the history of biology and biotechnology”, Mark Bedau, a philosopher at Reed College in Portland, Oregon, told Science.

Could this suggest the Almighty is even less impressive than previously thought.

Maybe the wrong forum to ask, but could this also bring the issue of maybe this is what happened to us?
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This guy manipulated already-existing proteins and injected them into a “hollowed-out” cell. God created everything from nothing.

Is God less impressive? No. Could He have merely done what that scientist did? No, the Bible says otherwise. And since the Bible is the primary source of information on God, then describing anyone/thing that doesn’t perfectly fit the description of God as given isn’t describing God.
 
Cristiano said:
I am just making a list of of the classical fallacies that are being used in your posts! This is a typical exercise that students do when analyzing a debate. They do that to show what is a meaningful argument and reject what is fluff.
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I’m not a philosopher. Your petty attacks on verbal intent mean nothing to me. Only empirical proof matters to me or impresses me.

You’re just like every Asperger’s suffering philospher I’ve ever met. I would love to clamp your head tightly in a vice and keep it there until you admit, in writing in front of witnesses, that having your head clamped in a vice was distinctly different from not having it clamped in a vice.
 
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