What do Religious people say to this?

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I would like to share this article with you guys, and please, do not bash me. I am in no way trying to disprove/prove, argue/agree with any of you. I am just wondering what religious people thoughts are about this.

guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form
Please, take the time to read it, because it is actually very, very interesting, and well, historic.
“defining moment in the history of biology and biotechnology”, Mark Bedau, a philosopher at Reed College in Portland, Oregon, told Science.

Could this suggest the Almighty is even less impressive than previously thought.

Maybe the wrong forum to ask, but could this also bring the issue of maybe this is what happened to us?
 
lemondiesel said:
I would like to share this article with you guys, and please, do not bash me. I am in no way trying to disprove/prove, argue/agree with any of you. I am just wondering what religious people thoughts are about this.

guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form
Please, take the time to read it, because it is actually very, very interesting, and well, historic.
“defining moment in the history of biology and biotechnology”, Mark Bedau, a philosopher at Reed College in Portland, Oregon, told Science.

Could this suggest the Almighty is even less impressive than previously thought.

Maybe the wrong forum to ask, but could this also bring the issue of maybe this is what happened to us?
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Even if they did manage to create life, it still would not be that impressive. God created matter itself, out of nothing. He didn’t need to use pre-existing materials to create us… he actually created the materials Himself.

Had the scientists managed to create matter out of nothing, then that would be a little more problematic. But even then still, you would have the problem of the scientists having had to use pre-existent matter to create new matter, and so on and so forth.

Interesting article, though.
 
I’m not really bothered by this in relation to my belief in God. The life was brought about with intent, not by accident, which is how I believe God created all life. I also think they are following God’s blueprints for living organisms insteading of creating their own, so I think if anyone is less impressive, it’s Venter 😛
 
frindro said:
I just found this article - it may be off interest to you. I found the second paragraph quite interesting in how Venter did not entirely create life, or even a new complete cell, just copied DNA.

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/may/10052106.html
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Hmmm - interesting. Personally, I’m suspicious of even more zealously irresponsible scientific progressivism.

And it comes as no surprise to me that the claim of creating new life isn’t quite what it seems. Of course, I hope they do something useful with it… but how long before we could discern any deplorably terrible side effects?

Anyone know if they’ve managed to create mini black holes in CERN yet?
 
“First cell controlled completely by a synthetic genome”

The rhetoric is interesting. What they’ve done is stuck a synthetic genome inside a nonsynthetic cell. Nonetheless, they’ve slipped into talking of a “synthetic bacterial cell.” Indeed, one headline reads “The First Self-Replicating Synthetic Bacterial Cell.” This is hype.
If something is going to be called “synthetic,” shouldn’t the whole of it be synthesized and not merely a minuscule portion of it? Also, does such a cell knowably signal design and, if so, why wouldn’t cells untouched by Synthetic Genomics do the same, i.e., implicate design?
 
All of you have completely missed the point of this research, which frankly doesn’t surprise me.

When the DNA was inserted into the cell apparatus, it immediately started to re-shape the cell according to the implanted genetic code. The host cell was completely transformed by the donated DNA. The applications for this technology if it’s mastered, could be stupendous.
 
pcg2 said:
Even if they did manage to create life, it still would not be that impressive. God created matter itself, out of nothing. He didn’t need to use pre-existing materials to create us… he actually created the materials Himself.
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How do you know this? Keeping in mind ’ I read about it in a book written by bronze age man’ ain’t gonna cut it.
 
buffalo said:
The so called bronze age man was enlightened by God.
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Enlightened you say? I would think that stoning a woman to death when it was found that she wasn’t a virgin upon marrying, isn’t exactly a benchmark of an enlightened people.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 22 14:21

"If a man, after marrying a woman and having relations with her, comes to dislike her,
and makes monstrous charges against her and defames her by saying, ‘I married this woman, but when I first had relations with her I did not find her a virgin,’
the father and mother of the girl shall take the evidence of her virginity and bring it to the elders at the city gate.
There the father of the girl shall say to the elders, ‘I gave my daughter to this man in marriage, but he has come to dislike her,
and now brings monstrous charges against her, saying: I did not find your daughter a virgin. But here is the evidence of my daughter’s virginity!’ And they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the city.
Then these city elders shall take the man and chastise him,
besides fining him one hundred silver shekels, which they shall give to the girl’s father, because the man defamed a virgin in Israel. Moreover, she shall remain his wife, and he may not divorce her as long as he lives.
"But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girl’s virginity is not found,
they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsmen shall stone her to death…
 
Zatzat said:
Enlightened you say? I would think that stoning a woman to death when it was found that she wasn’t a virgin upon marrying, isn’t exactly a benchmark of an enlightened people.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 22 14:21

"If a man, after marrying a woman and having relations with her, comes to dislike her,
and makes monstrous charges against her and defames her by saying, ‘I married this woman, but when I first had relations with her I did not find her a virgin,’
the father and mother of the girl shall take the evidence of her virginity and bring it to the elders at the city gate.
There the father of the girl shall say to the elders, ‘I gave my daughter to this man in marriage, but he has come to dislike her,
and now brings monstrous charges against her, saying: I did not find your daughter a virgin. But here is the evidence of my daughter’s virginity!’ And they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the city.
Then these city elders shall take the man and chastise him,
besides fining him one hundred silver shekels, which they shall give to the girl’s father, because the man defamed a virgin in Israel. Moreover, she shall remain his wife, and he may not divorce her as long as he lives.
"But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girl’s virginity is not found,
they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsmen shall stone her to death…
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Oh boy - you are in need of some enlightenment. One cannot simply use the skeptics bible. 😉

If you really are interested in OT study you can start here:

A Father Who Keeps His Promises: God’s Covenant Love in Scripture
 
Tell you what-If one of the scientists takes NOTHING-literally, nothing at all-and makes something out of it, then I’ll be impressed.

But that’s impossible, since something is already here. Even a vacuum is something. God created vacuums. So if you create matter in a vacuum, you’re STILL not doing what God did. You can’t do what God did. It’s impossible.
 
Marc_Anthony said:
Tell you what-If one of the scientists takes NOTHING-literally, nothing at all-and makes something out of it, then I’ll be impressed.

But that’s impossible, since something is already here. Even a vacuum is something. God created vacuums. So if you create matter in a vacuum, you’re STILL not doing what God did. You can’t do what God did. It’s impossible.
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How do you know God created vacuums?
 
Zatzat said:
Enlightened you say? I would think that stoning a woman to death when it was found that she wasn’t a virgin upon marrying, isn’t exactly a benchmark of an enlightened people.
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Ah yes, the arrogance of 21st century ethnocentrism. The old “they didn’t do things the way we do things so they were wrong” argument. I agree with the other poster, the skeptics bible simply won’t do.
 
dnu said:
Ah yes, the arrogance of 21st century ethnocentrism. The old “they didn’t do things the way we do things so they were wrong” argument. I agree with the other poster, the skeptics bible simply won’t do.
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You don’t have to be a skeptic to know that stoning a woman who married without her virginity intact isn’t just wrong, but horrifically so.

Yet, according to you, it was a divinely inspired Law from the creator of the universe. How utterly and tragically bizarre.

I wonder how many real women were stoned to death during that time and all because the Law of God demanded their deaths by stoning?
 
dnu said:
Ah yes, the arrogance of 21st century ethnocentrism. The old “they didn’t do things the way we do things so they were wrong” argument. I agree with the other poster, the skeptics bible simply won’t do.
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When it comes to stoning women to death, i am willing to go out on a limb and say that modern humanists are right and Leveticus and Deuteronomy are wrong…
 
it has been quoted elsewhere that the scientists shook their fists at God as redundant.“We dont need you we can create life” - lets see you do it said God,so straight away they started gatheribg up some dust -“oh no no said God,just you go and get your own dust” - twinc
 
pcg2 said:
Even if they did manage to create life, it still would not be that impressive. God created matter itself, out of nothing. He didn’t need to use pre-existing materials to create us… he actually created the materials Himself.

Had the scientists managed to create matter out of nothing, then that would be a little more problematic. But even then still, you would have the problem of the scientists having had to use pre-existent matter to create new matter, and so on and so forth.

Interesting article, though.
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twinc said:
it has been quoted elsewhere that the scientists shook their fists at God as redundant.“We dont need you we can create life” - lets see you do it said God,so straight away they started gatheribg up some dust -“oh no no said God,just you go and get your own dust” - twinc
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As someone who has been educated as a scientist, I can’t envisage a situation where I would ever shake my fist at God. That would be absurd.
 
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