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Anyway, I have said before that Satan in Judaism is only a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man; I mean, the adversary. The thing that comes against our will to do good.
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Anyway, I have said before that Satan in Judaism is only a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man; I mean, the adversary. The thing that comes against our will to do good.
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Do you remember when Jacob ran away from his brother Esau in the direction to Padan Aran? On his way there he stopped in Bethel to sleep and was very anxious about his uncertain future. In his sleep, he had a dream of a giagantic ladder from the place he was sleeping up to Heaven. And angels would go up and down. Do you know why the angels would go first up and then down? Because angels were his preoccupations and anxieties about his future travelling to an unknown land. Then
they would come down with renewed hope of God’s protection. That’s what angels are emanations, good thoughts, bad thoughts. Emanations can be good or bad things. Angels are messages. Pain is an angel to warn us of dangers. Angels are wishes, desires, jealousies, love, etc, etc.
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Well stated. In the Book of Job, when ha-Sha-tan appeared before the court of God, he was serving his role as the accuser of the brethern. The contemporary understanding of the devil is more in line with ancient Greek and Roman mythologies.
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Ben Masada, I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut. It is good to read someone on here who is not always quoting what the Magisterium has to say on this or that doctrine or belief! Keep thinking Ben, that is what the Unlimited Limitlessness of the Delimited Unlimitedness gave us brains for!
What Satan and Lucifer have in common is that both do not exist. Satan or Lucifer is but a metaphorical inllustration for the evil inclination in man. They never existed as a being. They are fabrications of Christianity in order to keep those who don’t have a mind of their own under control.
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Ben Masada, I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut. It is good to read someone on here who is not always quoting what the Magisterium has to say on this or that doctrine or belief! Keep thinking Ben, that is what the Unlimited Limitlessness of the Delimited Unlimitedness gave us brains for!
Thanks MGLechner, you have made my day. I have already been suspended once for being too straightforwardly with my views. But revigorating words like these of yours in this post above, is like a tonic to my soul. So, Shalom to you from Jerusalem, the City of Peace.
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That still doesn’t answer why they are named? BTW I do want to thank you for taking the time to answer. I am trying to understand the concepts you are presenting.
Do you remember when Jacob ran away from his brother Esau in the direction to Padan Aran? On his way there he stopped in Bethel to sleep and was very anxious about his uncertain future. In his sleep, he had a dream of a giagantic ladder from the place he was sleeping up to Heaven. And angels would go up and down. Do you know why the angels would go first up and then down? Because angels were his preoccupations and anxieties about his future travelling to an unknown land. Then
they would come down with renewed hope of God’s protection. That’s what angels are emanations, good thoughts, bad thoughts. Emanations can be good or bad things. Angels are messages. Pain is an angel to warn us of dangers. Angels are wishes, desires, jealousies, love, etc, etc.
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You are most welcome! I mean that from the “ground and depth of my being!” Paul Tillich where are you when we need you!
Thanks MGLechner, you have made my day. I have already been suspended once for being too straightforwardly with my views. But revigorating words like these of yours in this post above, is like a tonic to my soul. So, Shalom to you from Jerusalem, the City of Peace.
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Shalom Alechem!
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What’s in a name? Names can be given to anything even functions according to their functions. To feelings or emanations according to their effects, but mostly to things or people just because they have to have a name.
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Do you really believe that there is no importance to a name? I have been taught that names were very important. For instance:
What’s in a name? Names can be given to anything even functions according to their functions. To feelings or emanations according to their effects, but mostly to things or people just because they have to have a name.
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Gabriel meaning is “God’s able-bodied one; hero of God”.
Michael is who resembles God. You say that their names are their functions? Would you explain more?
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Sorry Ben, I have to agree with Adrift on this one. Names, especially Hebrew names, were/are very important. Names are important for the identification, and definition of people, places and things…“They shall call his name, Immanu-El (which means, With us is God).” Whether you interpret this contextually to a individual living at the time of the prophet Isaiah, or midrashically to Jesus (Yahshu’a) depends on your particular faith. The point is, names are important, otherwise parents wouldn’t take so much time deciding what to name their new babies…
Even if Angels are mere emanations (from God?) they are giving a name, because they are entities onto themselves. Shalom!
In a sense, I suppose you could say that the entire created order is an emanation of God. After all, God spoke and the World was. The creative word of God (dabar/logos) is a direct emanation of God. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin has this to say about Spirit…he says (and I am paraphrasing here): “Spirit is matter in its most incendiary state.” However, I would turn it on its head and say that “matter is Spirit in its most dense state…” I wonder if Quantum Physics isn’t saying the same thing?
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Ben Masada, here is a nice little (brief) story by the great mystical Rabbi, Abraham Joshua Heschel. Yes, it is about Angels. The emanations of God…Shalom! 
Rabbi, Abraham Joshua Heschel used to tell the story that when God, the Holy One, gets up in the morning, God gathers the angels of heaven around and asks this simple question: “Where does my creation need mending today?” And then Rabbi, Heschel would continue, “Theology consists of worrying about what God worries about when God gets up in the morning.”
Rabbi, Abraham Joshua Heschel used to tell the story that when God, the Holy One, gets up in the morning, God gathers the angels of heaven around and asks this simple question: “Where does my creation need mending today?” And then Rabbi, Heschel would continue, “Theology consists of worrying about what God worries about when God gets up in the morning.”
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Ben Masada, here is a nice little (brief) story by the great mystical Rabbi, Abraham Joshua Heschel. Yes, it is about Angels. The emanations of God…Shalom!
Rabbi, Abraham Joshua Heschel used to tell the story that when God, the Holy One, gets up in the morning, God gathers the angels of heaven around and asks this simple question: “Where does my creation need mending today?” And then Rabbi, Heschel would continue, “Theology consists of worrying about what God worries about when God gets up in the morning.”
Tell me MGLechner, you are not serious, are you? The Rabbi was speaking in bedside story terms. You know, when we want to help a child to sleep. I am sure you would not waste that post above if not to joke. In that sense yes, interesting.
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Sorry Ben, I have to agree with Adrift on this one. Names, especially Hebrew names, were/are very important. Names are important for the identification, and definition of people, places and things…
Ben: That’s okay. I know how to lose sometimes.
“They shall call his name, Immanu-El (which means, With us is God).” Whether you interpret this contextually to a individual living at the time of the prophet Isaiah, or midrashically to Jesus (Yahshu’a) depends on your particular faith.
Ben: You are right. To interpret Immanuel in the sense of being Jesus, you need faith, because one needs faith for that much. But if you want to use your reason, you can have it straight from the Scriptures as follows: Isaiah 7:14=The virgin shall conceive and bear a son. Amos 5:2= The virgin is Israel. Isaiah 7:15= Butter and honey shall he (the son) eat. Isaiah 7:22=Butter and honey shall everyone eat that is left in the Land. Which Land? The Land of Israel. Who were left in the Land of Israel after the virgin Israel was removed from existence? Judah. Now, you are prepared to read Isaiah 8:8=Judah was left in the Land, whose name is Immanuel. If you remove the patches of your faith from your eyes, and read the quotations above in the sequence I gave them to you, there is no other way to reason.
Therefore, Judah, the Jewish People is Immanuel. The Mediator between God and men.
The point is, names are important, otherwise parents wouldn’t take so much time deciding what to name their new babies…
Ben: Why take so much time to decide on a name, which won’t mean a thing to the person named.
Even if Angels are mere emanations (from God?) they are giving a name, because they are entities onto themselves. Shalom!
Ben: Those names are given by men according to their own convenience.
In a sense, I suppose you could say that the entire created order is an emanation of God. After all, God spoke and the World was. The creative word of God (dabar/logos) is a direct emanation of God.
Ben: You are not too far from the Truth. The whole Word of God was entrusted the Jews through emanations.
There is no mysticism about it.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin has this to say about Spirit…he says (and I am paraphrasing here): “Spirit is matter in its most incendiary state.” However, I would turn it on its head and say that “matter is Spirit in its most dense state…” I wonder if Quantum Physics isn’t saying the same thing?
Ben: Why complicate what is so simple and cause pain in the simple-minded head? Spirit is not matter, neither is matter spirit. There is just one Spirtitual Being, Who is
God. The rest is all emanation, even the names given to concrete things. What makes an emanation is the mystic or spirituality that we attach to it.
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I do know that Jews do not believe in demons. The Jewish faith teaches that God creates both good and evil. Demons are the stuff of mythology.
Ben Masada may correct me if I’m wrong. Hey Ben, I see you’re still using your <*)))>< symbol! Of course, on this Message Board, nobody will probably object. Two Messiahs, huh? Are you still advancing that theory? MGL
Ben Masada may correct me if I’m wrong. Hey Ben, I see you’re still using your <*)))>< symbol! Of course, on this Message Board, nobody will probably object. Two Messiahs, huh? Are you still advancing that theory? MGL
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There are many forms of Emanations=Hermetic Kabbalah are the roots Hellemistic Jewish Philosepher. Jerusalem: The Emanation of the Giant Albion The action of Emanation: the origination of the world by a series of hierarchically decending radiations from the Godhead through intermediate stages to matter. Nancy- Status