What do they (Islamic terrorists) want?

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The majority are NOT innocent. They stand by and applaud or at least secretly smile when the terrorists attack us. Islam is the problem because it undergirds their terror.
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Interesting. If all of this support is secret, you must be a real mind reader to ferret it out.
The IRA had no religious dimension, they were actually marxists.
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You have got to be kidding. Wanting to establish a Catholic run state in Northern Ireland isn’t “a religious dimension”?
And they were minimal compared to the Muslims. In fact the Church had no problem condemning the IRA. I do myself and I am half Irish. You might also note the IRA gave up and is now moribund. The Brits didn’t give up.
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Priests actively aided the IRA. This is a fact. And the British gave them almost every single thing they wanted. The violence stopped because the British capitulated, and allowed Sinn Fein into the government. The IRA is not “moribund”, it’s actually part of the functioning government now.
The fact is that most Muslims wouldn’t turn in a terrorist if they knew who he was. Why? Because we are kaffir and the terrorist is muslim. Until you see hundreds of thousands of Muslims protesting against terrorism then nothing will change and they will remain the enemy.
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Okay, so how did we catch the terrorists we have so far? Who turned them in? How did the US figure out where Zarqawi was? Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?
 
pro, it’s no secret. All I have to do is listen for the Muslim outrage against the terrorists. I’m listening…hand to ear…I hear…nothing.

The IRA wasn’t religious. Heck ask them. They were marxists. Many were trained in places like Libya. Thank’s again Muslims. The Church had no problem condemning them and any priest caught helping them would find himself in hot water with the Church. And of course the IRA is no longer in the terrorism business.

Those guys were caught largely due to our efforts and the bounty on their heads. What did Muslims do when they were caught? Blamed us and got angry because the infidel caught some Muslim terrorists. When we get Osama they will have big riots protesting his capture and/or execution. You can bank on it.
 
cestusdei said:
pro, it’s no secret. All I have to do is listen for the Muslim outrage against the terrorists. I’m listening…hand to ear…I hear…nothing.
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Yeah, you’re listening out the window for something you’d actually have to read Muslim publications to get.
The IRA wasn’t religious. Heck ask them. They were marxists. Many were trained in places like Libya. Thank’s again Muslims. The Church had no problem condemning them and any priest caught helping them would find himself in hot water with the Church. And of course the IRA is no longer in the terrorism business.
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This is totally false. In the first place, the IRA had an explicitly Catholic agenda: To create a Catholic state in Northern Ireland. Second, Priests and Bishops helped them in Northern Ireland. They were a part of the action as much as the IRA’s membership.

And the IRA is no longer in the terrorism business because the UK caved in an gave them what they wanted.
Those guys were caught largely due to our efforts and the bounty on their heads. What did Muslims do when they were caught? Blamed us and got angry because the infidel caught some Muslim terrorists. When we get Osama they will have big riots protesting his capture and/or execution. You can bank on it.
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What!? Bounty? Oh, so now you’re saying that Muslims do inform on terrorists, but only for money?

I saw no protests in support of Zarqawi…or anyone else. I only saw them when 50 civilians were bombed in botched attempts to catch Al Zawahiri.

So I’ll ask again: Who is informing the US on these terrorists that we caught so far? Muslims, or someone else? How do you think the info reaches US hands?
 
cestusdei said:
The majority are NOT innocent. They stand by and applaud or at least secretly smile when the terrorists attack us. Islam is the problem because it undergirds their terror.

The fact is that most Muslims wouldn’t turn in a terrorist if they knew who he was. Why? Because we are kaffir and the terrorist is muslim. Until you see hundreds of thousands of Muslims protesting against terrorism then nothing will change and they will remain the enemy.
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The majority of Catholics and Christians were silent during Hitler’s reign as well. Not all Germans believed in his agenda but they could not speak out against him or their families would have been killed.

Why do most Muslims not speak out against the Jihadists? Because they and their families would be killed, plain and simple. You’re talking about a geographical area where Christianity is lucky to be 1% of the population. Be realistic here. The jihadists are being financially supported by very wealthy and politically powerful Saudis, Iranians, Syrians and who knows who else. I am not surprised to hear such silence from that part of the world.

I was concerned that Muslims in other parts of the world are not condemning what is happening in that region, but not anymore. Now that I see that the Muslims in the other parts of the world were ‘evangelized’ so to speak by the jihadist terror cells in those countries it makes perfect sense that they would only believe the propaganda being fed to them from the jihadist fed media and immams. That the honest muslims in those communities do not speak out is probably for the same reason…they or their family would be killed. These terror cells are all over the world.

If you want to see change then the governments in this world need to wake up to see what’s really going on in their own countries. They need to be willing to compromise oil supplies for national security in their own borders…stop being so diplomatic with the oil producing Muslim countries. Don’t blame the other Muslims in the world for the spread of this jihad…blame the world’s oil dependency on it.
 
pro, I do watch and read what the Muslim’s are up to. I can get it at www.memri.org. It’s amazing the amount of hate served up daily to Muslims in the name of Islam. I encourage you to go there and watch it yourself.

Sure there are greedy Muslims. I would much rather see millions of them in the streets protesting the terrorists and turning them all in. I think I will have to wait a long time, since Muslims never seem to protest against Osama.
 
Yin, WRONG! Do not blame the victims. I really despise that. The usual Muslim “oh that’s to bad BUT you deserve it BECAUSE fill in the blank.” The jihad has been going on since Muhammed’s time. They have continually fought and invaded their neighbors. This is not about oil or US policy. It’s about people who are motivated by their religion to want to take over the planet and destroy us.

You are only partially correct. The few moderate Muslims do fear, but not just the terrorists. They also fear the average Muslim who cannot tolerate any criticism of Islam. The majority of Muslims tacitly support the jihadists against us infidels. If they truly honestly didn’t then the terrorism would end in no time.
 
Did you all see the silly movie, “Independence Day”?

At one point one of the aliens is captured and they ask him “What do you want?”

Do you recall the response?
 
pro_universal said:
This is totally false. In the first place, the IRA had an explicitly Catholic agenda: To create a Catholic state in Northern Ireland. Second, Priests and Bishops helped them in Northern Ireland. They were a part of the action as much as the IRA’s membership.

And the IRA is no longer in the terrorism business because the UK caved in an gave them what they wanted.

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Hi Pro,
The IRA had nothing to do with Catholicism. They were not allowed Catholic burials. It was a rebellion fighting the British not “protestants”. The religious category was created by media.

God bless,
Jon
 
A Lebanese Christian author, Brigette Gabriel, who wrote “Because They Hate” will have her interview rebroadcast on BookTV on Sunday 11/25/06 from 6:30 am to 7:30 am.

I’ve seen it before and strongly recommend that everyone tape or record it and watch it.

It is directly relevant to the discussion of the plight of Lebanese Christians today.

And it directly answers the question: “What do they want?”

Visit this CAF thread for more information on Brigette Gabriel’s work and her appearance on BookTV.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=120638
 
cestusdei said:
The jihad has been going on since Muhammed’s time. They have continually fought and invaded their neighbors. This is not about oil or US policy. It’s about people who are motivated by their religion to want to take over the planet and destroy us.
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I get that it’s been going on since Muhammed’s time.
I also get that it has been simmering among a minority of Muslims for a lot of that time. It’s just beginning to boil and it still has a way to go before it reaches full steam.

I’m not saying our oil policy is to blame for the jihad.
What I’m saying is our oil policy is interfering with our government’s ability to see this war for what it is.
They are so afraid to cut off oil ties with these countries who are supporting the jihadists that they are the ones putting out the line that this is not a religious war, that it’s just a handful of terrorists with no real support from any particular government.

That is a very, very dangerous approach to take.
Until they face the facts our security is at risk because they are not properly strategizing to win this war.
 
We could do what they would do and what they claim about us by just taking the oil. This is more then just a small group. There are over 200 million Muslims who are actively supporting the terrorists. Plus the majority who tacitly support them. Oil is nothing to them. They have religious goals. Until we deal with that we are on the wrong page.
 
Al_Masetti said:
Did you all see the silly movie, “Independence Day”?

At one point one of the aliens is captured and they ask him “What do you want?”

Do you recall the response?
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I tend to get most of my political and religious news from Jurrasic Park. I find Independance Day to be too liberal.
 
cestusdei said:
We could do what they would do and what they claim about us by just taking the oil. This is more then just a small group. There are over 200 million Muslims who are actively supporting the terrorists. Plus the majority who tacitly support them. Oil is nothing to them. They have religious goals. Until we deal with that we are on the wrong page.
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where does that number come from?
 
inJESUS said:
there is an estimate of 15-20% of Muslims being radical or radicalized. From 1.2 billions, 15-20% means from 1.5 hundred million to 300 millions.
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Does Being a radical islam necessarily ;mean that one actively supporting terrorism? I don’t believe there are 200 million muslims actively supporting terrorism today. That number seems outrageously high. What are the criteria for defining “Actively supporting?”
 
Valke2 said:
Does Being a radical islam necessarily ;mean that one actively supporting terrorism? I don’t believe there are 200 million muslims actively supporting terrorism today. That number seems outrageously high. What are the criteria for defining “Actively supporting?”
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when talking about “radical” muslims or “radicalized”, it’s in the context of terrorism whether doing it or supporting it…i posted a new thread called “because they hate”…if you watch it maybe you’ll get what is meant.
 
If anything it is a conservative estimate. The Islamic inaction against the terrorist bears it out. Take pro for example. He says he is opposed to terrorism BUT, there is always a but, he supports Hamas and Hezbullah who are terrorists. Let’s see how they treat the Pope in Turkey.
 
cestusdei said:
If anything it is a conservative estimate. The Islamic inaction against the terrorist bears it out. Take pro for example. He says he is opposed to terrorism BUT, there is always a but, he supports Hamas and Hezbullah who are terrorists. Let’s see how they treat the Pope in Turkey.
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Uh, wait a minute?

Because pro_universal (not Muslim) doesn’t think that Hizbullah and Hamas are the sole causes of the Israel Palestine conflict (or even major causes), therefore:

200 million Muslims support terror?

Huh? Can you explain the chain of logic there? I’m just not seeing it
 
cestusdei said:
If anything it is a conservative estimate. The Islamic inaction against the terrorist bears it out. Take pro for example. He says he is opposed to terrorism BUT, there is always a but, he supports Hamas and Hezbullah who are terrorists. Let’s see how they treat the Pope in Turkey.
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No it doesn’t. There’s a big difference between “actively supporting” and “doing nothing”
 
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