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GregoryPalamas
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Al Masetti,
No, I don’t know how the alians responded. Please, tell us.
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No, I don’t know how the alians responded. Please, tell us.
CDL
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Al_Masetti
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Well … in the movie “Independence Day”, the whiney wimpy American scientist looked at the space alien and asked: “What do you want?”.Al Masetti,
No, I don’t know how the alians responded. Please, tell us.
CDL
And the alien responded: “We want you dead.”
Actually, the alien was more emphatic. He actually said, "WE WANT YOU DEAD!!!
… as I recall.
[That was a fun movie.]*
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GarryOwen
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What planet are you on the IRA were/ are a secularist socialist organisation.Interesting. If all of this support is secret, you must be a real mind reader to ferret it out.
You have got to be kidding. Wanting to establish a Catholic run state in Northern Ireland isn’t “a religious dimension”?
Priests actively aided the IRA. This is a fact. And the British gave them almost every single thing they wanted. The violence stopped because the British capitulated, and allowed Sinn Fein into the government. The IRA is not “moribund”, it’s actually part of the functioning government now.
Okay, so how did we catch the terrorists we have so far? Who turned them in? How did the US figure out where Zarqawi was? Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?
Granted some Catholic priests with Irish republican sympathies did help them but they were not indicative of the whole church. If you bother to do a bit of research you will find that the Catholic church was vehemently opposed to the IRA and its campaign of violence.
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cestusdei
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pro, I didn’t say it. Others have estimated the figure. You once again try to bog the issue down by questioning sources. Everytime I prove something to you the you immediately disappear. Maybe you should just admit that I give you true facts and concentrate on the real issue. But thanks for admitting that you do support terrorist organizations. I won’t forget it.
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Valke2
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Here’s a link that says 1%, or 12 million muslims are radical islamists. It doesn’t seem to behttp://www.amconmag.com/01_13_03/borchgrave7.html a very pro Islamic website.
It sounds like the 20% of muslims embrace radical Islam is a misrepresentation, probably based on the fact that about 20% of all muslims are arab.
According to the RAND Corporation, both the 1991 Gulf War and the current Iraq War have polarized and radicalized the Muslim world, as well as the Iranian revolution, the Afghan War with the Soviet Union, and other events and reasons.
rand.org/news/press.04/12.15.html
It sounds like the 20% of muslims embrace radical Islam is a misrepresentation, probably based on the fact that about 20% of all muslims are arab.
According to the RAND Corporation, both the 1991 Gulf War and the current Iraq War have polarized and radicalized the Muslim world, as well as the Iranian revolution, the Afghan War with the Soviet Union, and other events and reasons.
rand.org/news/press.04/12.15.html
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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Valke2,
I think if you read the article closely you’d see that it is not the view of the reporter that radical Islamists are only 1% of the Muslim population. He’s saying that even 1% is a heck of a lot.
This is the relevant paragraph:
Ninety-nine percent of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims are moderate and see jihad as a self-cleansing process to get back on the path of spiritual excellence. Presidents Mubarak, Musharraf, Ben Ali (Tunisia), Kings Abdullah II of Jordan, Fahd of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed VI of Morocco, and other moderate Muslim leaders, all have told this reporter in the past two years that Islamist extremists are no more than 1 percent of their population.
The 1% estimate comes from so-called moderate Muslim leaders trying to downplay the problem for their own purposes.
I think if you read the article closely you’d see that it is not the view of the reporter that radical Islamists are only 1% of the Muslim population. He’s saying that even 1% is a heck of a lot.
This is the relevant paragraph:
Ninety-nine percent of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims are moderate and see jihad as a self-cleansing process to get back on the path of spiritual excellence. Presidents Mubarak, Musharraf, Ben Ali (Tunisia), Kings Abdullah II of Jordan, Fahd of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed VI of Morocco, and other moderate Muslim leaders, all have told this reporter in the past two years that Islamist extremists are no more than 1 percent of their population.
The 1% estimate comes from so-called moderate Muslim leaders trying to downplay the problem for their own purposes.
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Valke2
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From the same article:
When we reminded Musharraf that one percent of 140 million is 1.4 million, he said, “you’re right, but I’d never thought of it that way.”
One percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million Muslim fanatics who believe America is the Great Satan, fount of all evil, to be attacked and demolished.
It seems that the author is accepting this number. Certainly, if there was evidence that the numbers were closer to 200 million, this author would undoublty have cited to them.
When we reminded Musharraf that one percent of 140 million is 1.4 million, he said, “you’re right, but I’d never thought of it that way.”
One percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million Muslim fanatics who believe America is the Great Satan, fount of all evil, to be attacked and demolished.
It seems that the author is accepting this number. Certainly, if there was evidence that the numbers were closer to 200 million, this author would undoublty have cited to them.
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cestusdei
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In the UK 16% supported suicide bombings against Israel. Oh but 7% supported them in the UK! See the UK polling report.
Even the Washington Post cited stats that showed support for Osama was almost 50% in Morocco, 58% in Indonesia, 51% in Pakistan, and 60% in Jordon. Note that these are considered “moderate” Islamic nations. Right.
Then add in those who say they don’t support terror, but then ask them if they support Hamas or Hezbullah. If they say yes, then they do support terrorism.
Even the Washington Post cited stats that showed support for Osama was almost 50% in Morocco, 58% in Indonesia, 51% in Pakistan, and 60% in Jordon. Note that these are considered “moderate” Islamic nations. Right.
Then add in those who say they don’t support terror, but then ask them if they support Hamas or Hezbullah. If they say yes, then they do support terrorism.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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That is not my reading - the reporter merely pointed out that even the 1% figure issued by those ‘moderate’ leaders still amounts to a big number.From the same article:
When we reminded Musharraf that one percent of 140 million is 1.4 million, he said, “you’re right, but I’d never thought of it that way.”
One percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million Muslim fanatics who believe America is the Great Satan, fount of all evil, to be attacked and demolished.
It seems that the author is accepting this number. Certainly, if there was evidence that the numbers were closer to 200 million, this author would undoublty have cited to them.
One wonders about those millions of muslims giving to islamic ‘charities’ knowing they would end up supporting terrorist causes in the middle east. Surely that is active support of terrorism.
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Al_Masetti
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Prior to 9/11, my Islamic friends used to constantly bring up the benefits of CAIR. However, lately they have been more muted about the wonders of CAIR.
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slyboots
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I am not sure where to put this post.
I am beginning to become concerned about the Islamic countries ability to overcome us.
I am not sure what to call my feeling about this. Fear is too strong a word. But concern sounds much too weak.
Our military is strong and brave. But the radical muslims are insane Our people care about living. Radical Islam cares only about dying. Our people would never offer our babies to be martyrs by becoming human bombs. They do. Martyrdom is glorified in Islam. Death is the desired outcome. They school their children in hate of life. What is to be done about such people?
Prayer is important. But what else can we do. They do not respond to love and assistance from us.
Their people once conquered much of Europe . What can we do to keep it from happening again? And keep it from happening here?
I am beginning to become concerned about the Islamic countries ability to overcome us.
I am not sure what to call my feeling about this. Fear is too strong a word. But concern sounds much too weak.
Our military is strong and brave. But the radical muslims are insane Our people care about living. Radical Islam cares only about dying. Our people would never offer our babies to be martyrs by becoming human bombs. They do. Martyrdom is glorified in Islam. Death is the desired outcome. They school their children in hate of life. What is to be done about such people?
Prayer is important. But what else can we do. They do not respond to love and assistance from us.
Their people once conquered much of Europe . What can we do to keep it from happening again? And keep it from happening here?
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Publisher
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One of the things I’ve read concerning Islam, and I think accounts for some of the West’s mis-understanding of it.
From what I understand Muslims are forbidden in the Quran to take the side of a non-believer against a Muslim brother. Islam pushes solidarity among Muslims very strongly.
Muslims can fight and squabble amongst themselves quite visciously…BUT no Muslim is to take the side of a non-Muslim when a non-Muslim and a Muslim have a disagreement.
Muslims do not speak out against what other Muslims do because it is against their belief to do so.
Someone, please correct me if I am wrong.
From what I understand Muslims are forbidden in the Quran to take the side of a non-believer against a Muslim brother. Islam pushes solidarity among Muslims very strongly.
Muslims can fight and squabble amongst themselves quite visciously…BUT no Muslim is to take the side of a non-Muslim when a non-Muslim and a Muslim have a disagreement.
Muslims do not speak out against what other Muslims do because it is against their belief to do so.
Someone, please correct me if I am wrong.
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ThisOne
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Become acquainted with the various groups of people in the US and elsewhere – and join in with them – who feel exactly as you do. If you would like specific websites and mailing lists, send me a PM.I am not sure where to put this post.
I am beginning to become concerned about the Islamic countries ability to overcome us.
I am not sure what to call my feeling about this. Fear is too strong a word. But concern sounds much too weak.
Our military is strong and brave. But the radical muslims are insane Our people care about living. Radical Islam cares only about dying. Our people would never offer our babies to be martyrs by becoming human bombs. They do. Martyrdom is glorified in Islam. Death is the desired outcome. They school their children in hate of life. What is to be done about such people?
Prayer is important. But what else can we do. They do not respond to love and assistance from us.
Their people once conquered much of Europe . What can we do to keep it from happening again? And keep it from happening here?
ThisOne
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