What do traditionalists think of LifeTeen Masses' appeal?

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Why then are they so popular? When I sleep through my alarm, I end up having to go to Mass at Villanova, which has something very much like a Life Teen Mass (a band, glass chalices, dozens of Eucharistic ministers, only the priest in vestments, no kneeling, etc) and the place is packed with people!
Well, right there is one of the main reasons I think Life Teen Masses are so popular with teenagers and even other adults. I have never seen a Life Teen Mass that is earlier than 3-4 PM, most usually later. If my 19 y/o son had the option of attending a Traditional Latin Mass at 5-6 PM, I guarantee you he’d take it. Not many teenagers like to get up early.

Let’s say that a Life Teen Mass is actually reverent, with no abuses, no rock band, etc.(though one could then wonder why a separate Mass just for teens is actually needed). Schedule it for 8:00 AM on Sundays, and *then *see how many teens you get. Call me cynical, but I bet its popularity would die off pretty quickly. 😉
 
I belong to an extremely traditional parish. There is a LifeTeen mass a city over and some of our kids go. It does not take the place of a mass at our parish but rather, to those I have spoken to, is in addition.

Many go because…
It’s socialization. They get together with friends. It isn’t about the liturgy, it’s about the party.
They are looking for independence. By attending LifeTeen, their parents are not interested in attending but feel that it’s safe. They can go without the family.
Young men tell me that some guys go to score. While the girls in my parish follow all the rules, the LifeTeen girls are more liberal in their thinking. Some are like bicycles.

Many of our youth laugh at the LifeTeen masses. They know that some adult is telling them what is Hip. What they want. From what I heard, many of the attendees of the LifeTeen program are past teen and the leaders are those kind of parents who want to be friends with their kids. Their hearts are in the right place but they don’t get that serving candy to kids is not going to make them eat right.

I believe that if a good LifeTeen program is bringing kids to the church, why not. As a parent, I would not let my kids attend LifeTeen exclusively. But that’s just me.
 
Many go because…
It’s socialization.
I think that is the main point. The high school kids what a social group. The sign of peace at my local lifeteen Mass is about five minutes long, with all the teenagers hugging and kissing all over the place. It is downright silly. The priest will go to continue Mass and start communion and everyone is still rustling around hugging.

If the lifeteen Mass was a traditional Latin Mass with the same social group afterwards, the kids would still go because all their friends were going.

To answer the OP’s question-

We need to stop watering down the liturgy to try and please these kids.

I shudder to think about ever having to go back to a lifeteen Mass.
 
Many of our youth laugh at the LifeTeen masses. They know that some adult is telling them what is Hip. What they want. From what I heard, many of the attendees of the LifeTeen program are past teen and the leaders are those kind of parents who want to be friends with their kids. Their hearts are in the right place but they don’t get that serving candy to kids is not going to make them eat right.
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We don’t have them in my parish. The last Mass on Sunday is the “youth” Mass. It’s a regular Mass, but the youth choir sings, the youth do the readings, serve at the Altar, take up the collections, usher, etc. I don’t know what seperates it from a Teen Mass per se, they use guitars (but violins as well), but I’ve only been a couple of times (my sixteen year old nephew plays the guitar for it, he’s a good boy, says the rosary every night, I’ve never been able to tell him I’m not clear on the whole guitars at Mass issue:o because I love him and he’s so enthused).

I suspect that your observation, Netmil(name removed by moderator)s, is accurate and most telling of what’s problematic. “Adults telling kids what’s hip.” We’re not supposed to KNOW what’s HIP! That’s part of them distancing themselves from parents and growing up a bit, they start determining what’s “cool.” If we get locked into some kind of notion of what kids think is cool or relevant (and as adults, we’re supposed to KNOW what’s relevant, that’s OUR job), then we make the same mistake the hierarchs made with Church music. In the time just after the council, what music was both “relevant” and at the same time, in style most capable of being introduced into the Mass? FOLK music (rightly, they couldn’t bring themselves to bend to aicd rock, like Jimmy Hendrix’s “Purple Haze”). And we’ve been stuck with it ever since. Every song in the OCP “Music Issue” that isn’t a traditional hymn sounds like it should be sung by Peter, Paul, and Mary or the Pete Seegar or the Kingston Trio. Trouble is, in this effort to be “relevant” (as the world uses that term) the Church can’t keep up. The world has moved beyond folk music, they’ve moved beyond acid rock into stuff that make Hendrix and Joplin look like Carmelite nuns singing the “Te Deum.” So the music that you hear at Mass isn’t really “relevant” to anyone except a few old (and I use that term advisedly, with my own bald head and my bifocals), liberal flower children who want “Spirit in the Sky” played for their funeral recessionals.

Deep down, kids want parents to be parents, not hipsters. And the Church is a parent, that’s why we call Her “Holy Mother Church.” I like our model of a “teen Mass” (where the children learn how to serve) rather than what I’ve heard of the official “Teen Mass”), but I understand that the Church has tightened up on the liturgical irregularities and so forth, and lots of teens seem to like it, so…But the Church is never going to get anywhere trying to be “relevant.” She’s already relevant, She’s what everyone comes home to when, hopefully, they’re tired of “relevance.”
 
Greetings,

I’ll start off by saying that after all I’ve learned about liturgy I’m not exactly crazy about LT Masses ( or at least the one’s I’ve been to). However, having said that, and using cathsem’s example, it’s quite obvious that our Lord can bring much good out of a ministry that seems to focus so much on a communal horizontal sense of worship (abuses and all) instead of a direct virtical sense of worship, that of traditional liturgies. I think the bottom here is that only God is God and we’re not. He can do whatever He wants, and if that means using ministries such as LT, which offer catholisism in a different flavour (that which to me tastes sour) to bring young people to Him, so be it. I personaly would like to congratulate cathsem on his 3rd year as a seminarian, and I pray that God may grant him the best possible formation he requires in order to serve Him and His church. God bless you brother. :clapping:

Pax Domini Sed Semper Vobiscum,
Rocco
 
. I personaly would like to congratulate cathsem on his 3rd year as a seminarian, and I pray that God may grant him the best possible formation he requires in order to serve Him and His church. God bless you brother. :clapping:

Pax Domini Sed Semper Vobiscum,
Rocco
Amen!
 
Your average lifeteen Mass breaks any numbers of liturgical rules and is loaded with abuses. It is community oriented and seeks to be more “Teen” than sacred, giving it an intimate communal character. Obviously, this goes against everything traditionalists, or the Church for that matter, says the liturgy should be. But so many churches say their lifeteen masses are standing room only. I know that Bishop Dooher of Boston was given the position because of his success leading such a program and the amount of vocations the program drew. His Excellency seems to prefer street clothes too.

Could it be that liberal programs and priests are bringing about vocations, and that there’s something lacking in a Church that stands in the way of youth ministers and the charismatic renewal? Is it really the profane entertainment Masses that bring men to the priesthood?
I have been involved with Life Teen for many years and I also attend an indult TLM and I know the rubrics to serve as sub-deacon at the Dominican Rite of Mass. All this being said all I can say about the so called Life Teen masses is what I have experienced. My teens, through the years, seem to go through a transformation. They go to the Life Teen Mass but as they get older they tend to desire more traditional forms of worship. I am convinced that it has to do with a maturity of faith. The more mature ones faith is the more they will tend toward traditional forms of worship. This is also why I think that so called Life Teen Masses are filled. We all recognize that there is at least one whole generation that was so poorly catechized that I can say without guile that their children know the faith better than they. Because of this immaturity in the faith they don’t understand the nature of worship etc and find the Life Teen Masses more entertaining so they will go there before they would go anywhere else. So, it is my impression that adherence to Life Teen without a regular dosage of traditional forms is a function of an immature faith.
 
Glass chalices may not be used! But the part about kneeling…well the Syro-Malankare Rite one stands throughout. Yet as a Latin Rite Catholic there still are rubrics to be followed. Like the posture of another rite? On can always discern and switch.
Glass chalics aren’t to be used?!? I thought that was a liturgical abuse, so I confronted someone about it. He said it was okay because glass doesn’t allow the Blood of Christ leak like a wooden chalice would.

During highschool, Lifeteen Masses kept me sane but during this time I was a lukewarm Catholic, not really schooled in the faith. In our Lifeteen Mass then, kids were invited to go to sanctuary and stay behind while the priest consecrated the host. Now I love the traditional liturgy: Gregorian chant can’t stack up to a guy with a guitar.
 
I think if the noon Mass was the Latin Mass, that also would draw the most parishioners, our other 4 Masses are half-empty but Noon is always SRO.
 
One important clarification…

The greatest thing about LT is the prevalence of Eucharistic adoration. We did it frequently; before I was in LT, I had never heard of it. I still remember as a freshamn in high school when I experienced it the first time; I was wondering why I was staring at a host and everyone was pouring out their hearts in worship. (Needless to say, I had more than a little bit of learning to do and, moreso, a lot of conversion to undergo. 😉 )

In the summer of 2002, I went to Life Teen’s national conference at Notre Dame and we had a long Eucharistic procession around campus. In addition, we prayed the Rosary daily and spent a few hours in silence just to listen to the voice of the Lord. So, it’s not all community and music. Unfortunately, in many parishes at the LT Mass, you would never know it.

Ultimately, LT is a program designed to evangelize teens. It’s motto is “Leading Teens Closer to Christ.” For those from good, solid, Catholic families, such evangelization may be too basic and unnecessary for them because they have been blessed from the beginning with parents who explained the faith to them. LT aims at the rest of the teens, those who are immersed in the pagan culture of the age. (If you don’t think that modern culture is thoroughly pagan, might I suggest you watch about 15 minutes of MTV or Comedy Central? That’s all you’ll need! :eek: )
 
We don’t have them in my parish. The last Mass on Sunday is the “youth” Mass. It’s a regular Mass, but the youth choir sings, the youth do the readings, serve at the Altar, take up the collections, usher, etc. I don’t know what seperates it from a Teen Mass per se, they use guitars (but violins as well), but I’ve only been a couple of times (my sixteen year old nephew plays the guitar for it, he’s a good boy, says the rosary every night, I’ve never been able to tell him I’m not clear on the whole guitars at Mass issue:o because I love him and he’s so enthused).
You know my opinion on all of it, My Friend. If they like it, let it stand but then all parishes should also offer the Holy Masses like ours.
Sacred, reverent and with that sprinking of Latin.

Let them choose.
 
Your average lifeteen Mass breaks any numbers of liturgical rules and is loaded with abuses. It is community oriented and seeks to be more “Teen” than sacred, giving it an intimate communal character. Obviously, this goes against everything traditionalists, or the Church for that matter, says the liturgy should be. But so many churches say their lifeteen masses are standing room only. I know that Bishop Dooher of Boston was given the position because of his success leading such a program and the amount of vocations the program drew. His Excellency seems to prefer street clothes too.

Could it be that liberal programs and priests are bringing about vocations, and that there’s something lacking in a Church that stands in the way of youth ministers and the charismatic renewal? Is it really the profane entertainment Masses that bring men to the priesthood?
Lifeteen masses are standing room only for the same reason the Protestant Reformation attracted so many followers!
 
You know what I find to be really sad about the whole issue of Life Teen Masses and Neocatechumanl Masses and Charismatic Masses and all the other innovative Masses and groups that we have these days? They can all be celebrated just about anywhere that a Priest is willing and available. None of them normally bear much resemblence to the Pauline Rite Mass except in bits and pieces and they all incorporate elements that the Pauline Rite rubrics don’t call for. They are all permitted in the great spirit of inclusiveness and making everyone feel welcome. You know modern ways of imaging God and all.

Yet the Traditional Rite that served the Church for so long, that created so many Saints and laid the groundwork so that these other Rites can even exist, is treated in most places like an unwelcome stepchild, shunted off to a corner where hopefully no one will notice and maybe just maybe one day go away forever. It is ridiculed, put down, satirized and spoken of in the most denigrating terms you can imagine on other forums and even on this one, yet that treatment it is generally accepted and is apparently considered OK and allowable.

Why is that? Something just doesn’t seem right about the whole situation. It really doesn’t.
 
I wonder what parents think about the popularity among children of eating candy as opposed to a balanced meal?

Perhaps too much ‘sweetness’ isn’t good for one’s health, either spiritually or biologically?
 
Why is that? Something just doesn’t seem right about the whole situation. It really doesn’t.
And that is the $64,000 question, isn’t it?

What did happen to the Universal Indult that was much balleyhooed?
 
oh but your life, mine and so many others do depend on the liturgy.
Which is why I’d rather not have to rely on the USCCB for my liturgy!😉

Anyhoo, depending upon one’s age I’m still young or at least recently young at 23, so my memories of “youth Masses” and college dorm Masses are still pretty fresh. While I never had contact with an officially LIfe Teen liturgy I knew many friends who had come through the movement and seemed to confirm that certain elements I suffered through were standard parts of their worship. My main problem with this type of worship (other than its being worship-tainment) is that it promotes a piety completely unhinged from Catholic tradition.

Part of the problem is that when my parents’ generation rejected tradition (and sometimes Tradition) they created a knowledge gap so that people my age wouldn’t even know what traditional practice was. They then invented new styles and theologies of worship and succeeded in creating an atmosphere in which “whatever works for me” is the best way of conducting liturgy. This leaves us with no common vocabulary or spirituality from which to assess worship. A youth Mass attendee might assure me that his Mass is totally reverent, but I show up and find out this means everyone talks quite loudly before and after Mass about the latest Simpsons episode and dashes back and forth across the sanctuary without ever acknowledging the presence of Christ in the tabernacle - but they do give a shout out to Jesus at Mass.

That’s obviously not going to be seen everywhere, but I’ve been to Masses for college students at which I found their behavior downright offensive but that my friends who were perfectly orthodox in belief found very “reverent” or “worshipful.” We’ve somehow decided that anyone and everyone can invent new categories for worship but couch them under old terms and that innovation does not have to be grounded a single bit in tradition. I may convince a group of idiots that slapping my butt is the new way to reverence the Eucharist, but that doesn’t make it reverent - or at least, that didn’t used to be the case.
 
I wonder what parents think about the popularity among children of eating candy as opposed to a balanced meal?

Perhaps too much ‘sweetness’ isn’t good for one’s health, either spiritually or biologically?
I was actually thinking of that image just a few hours ago. Lots of today’s Masses are like cotton candy, sweet to eat but in the end just a bunch of fluff.
 
And that is the $64,000 question, isn’t it?

What did happen to the Universal Indult that was much balleyhooed?
I personally never thought it would happen and believed it was probably just a test balloon so to speak that the Vatican put out to gauge public opinion. Given the utter consternation and horror of the Bishops, the French and other European Bishops in particular, probably sealed its doom.

But I’m still hopeful and continue to pray.
 
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