What do traditionalists think of the Ambrosian Rite?

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I don’t know where to discuss the Ambrosian Rite–it’s not Eastern–I just though that there might be some TLM fans that might know something about the Ambrosian rite?

How does it compare to the Extraordinary Form?

Is there anything in it that might prove useful or good in either the EF or the OF?

P.S. I’m not trying to compare different rites by saying that one is better than another for all approved by the Catholic Church are certainly OK. Just wanted to know what parts of the Ambrosian Rite might be appealing to TLM fans?

I’ve never heard Ambrosian chant. How does it compare to Gregorian chant?
 
Jerry-Jet said:
I don’t know where to discuss the Ambrosian Rite–it’s not Eastern–I just though that there might be some TLM fans that might know something about the Ambrosian rite?

How does it compare to the Extraordinary Form?

Is there anything in it that might prove useful or good in either the EF or the OF?

P.S. I’m not trying to compare different rites by saying that one is better than another for all approved by the Catholic Church are certainly OK. Just wanted to know what parts of the Ambrosian Rite might be appealing to TLM fans?

I’ve never heard Ambrosian chant. How does it compare to Gregorian chant?
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I probably do not qualify as a stereotypical ‘traditionalist’ but I’m subscribing to this thread. I’ll give you what I know as soon as I have enough time.
 
Jerry-Jet said:
I’ve never heard Ambrosian chant. How does it compare to Gregorian chant?
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Hi Jerry:
Ambrosian chant sounds a lot like Gregorian or Sarum chant, at least to my less-than-trained ear! There is an easy way to listen to Ambrosian chant (and any other chant, or music in general) without buying recordings: open a Pandora free account on your computer and open a channel for each type of music you want.
I have channels on my laptop (and the account opens on my iPad too) for Gregorian, Old Roman, Russian, Greek chants along with folk music and alternative rock. Pandora works well with all wi fi connections and with 3G iPhones et al. Try it, you’ll like it!
(BTW, I own no stock in Pandora!)
 
The EF Ambrosian Rite is gorgeous. It is perceptibly different from the Roman Rite. The OF Ambrosian Rite isn’t much different from the OF Roman Rite, really.
 
In regards to listening to Pandora…I remember a few years back, they had a fair number of dirty ads. I haven’t used Pandora in about three years, and would love to use it again if they’ve corrected this issue. Are the ads better nowadays, or is there at least a way to filter them? I’d love to use Pandora for listening to sacred music, but only if I can do so without having to encounter bad advertisements.
 
YoungTradCath said:
The EF Ambrosian Rite is gorgeous. It is perceptibly different from the Roman Rite. The OF Ambrosian Rite isn’t much different from the OF Roman Rite, really.
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And even then, the old Ambrosian Rite (I’ll have to check about the new one) is actually heavily Romanized.
 
I have heard that in the Ambrosian rite that the sign of peace takes place earlier in the service.

I think Pope Benedict XVI once said that he thought the sign of peace should be earlier in the service.

I don’t know why it takes place after the consecration–I believe it should take place before the consecration. Shouldn’t you make peace with your brother before the consecration rather than after?
 
OraLabora said:
I believe the Ambrosian Rite also underwent post-Vatican II reforms.
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If not for the personal intervention of Paul VI, the entire Ambrosian Rite would have been abandoned. In any case, along with the Ambrosian version of the Novus Ordo, the Rito Ambrosiano Tradizzionale does still exist. 🙂 At least for the moment.
 
malphono said:
If not for the personal intervention of Paul VI, the entire Ambrosian Rite would have been abandoned. In any case, along with the Ambrosian version of the Novus Ordo, the Rito Ambrosiano Tradizzionale does still exist. 🙂 At least for the moment.
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Paul VI was once archbishop of Milan. Blessed Ildefonso Schuster and St. Charles Borromeo were also as well.
 
Jerry-Jet said:
I have heard that in the Ambrosian rite that the sign of peace takes place earlier in the service.

I think Pope Benedict XVI once said that he thought the sign of peace should be earlier in the service.

I don’t know why it takes place after the consecration–I believe it should take place before the consecration. Shouldn’t you make peace with your brother before the consecration rather than after?
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Actually, the Ambrosian Pax occurs in almost the same place as the Roman. It is the Mozarabic Rite which has it before the Illatio (equivalent to the Roman Preface). The variation at this point is that a form of the Agnus Dei is only used in Masses for the dead.
 
patrick457 said:
Paul VI was once archbishop of Milan. Blessed Ildefonso Schuster and St. Charles Borromeo were also as well.
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Yes, of course he was. He succeeded the illustrious Ildefenso Schuster in that post. That’s actually the reason I mentioned his (Paul VI’s) personal intervention in the matter, but unfortunately I neglected to include that detail in my earlier post. My bad. :o

Albeit that he was not Milanese, as Archbishop of Milan, he took a serious interest in his position as Capo Rito (as did his predecessor who was equally not Milanese). The same cannot, of course, be said for Colombo (his successor who was, oddly enough a native Milanese), who was all too ready and willing to abandon the Rite entirely in favor of the Novus Ordo. 😦 But thanks to Paul VI’s intervention, that was not allowed to happen. 👍
 
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