what do we do if the extremely pro-choice presidential candidate wins the election?

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Hello.

I hope this is the right section for me to put this post.

I keep wondering, what happens, what do we do as Catholics, if the more pro-life presidential candidate doesn’t win – (but I hope and pray he does) – what do people attempting to be faithful Catholics do?

I feel like maybe I’m not relying on God as much as I should be by worrying about this so much.

Any useful comments, insights, comforting thoughts are very welcome.

Please pray for me.
Sorry, no comforting thoughts here. The point is pretty much moot now. All we can do is pray.

A life of prayer and a life of the spirit nurtured by the Sacraments of Confession and Communion.

Pray the Rosary everyday.
 
We may well lose our nation. That will mean that we, as a nation and as a Church (since it is the fault of Catholics that we are in this position, given that we are enough of the population that we could easily swing outcomes either way if we had just a little more unity), have squandered the gift God gave mankind when He inspired the founding of this country. I do believe the founding principles of this country were truly Inspired, and brought tremendous good throughout the world–and I do believe that that country that was once founded under God is now dead. It exists only in history books that are not taught, and in the memories of a minority of Americans.

However, God has let His people lose their nations many times before. Christian Antioch, Rome, Byzantium, and European kingdoms are examples, but the greatest example is, of course, Israel. God may let us suffer the fruits of our dark, dying culture, as He let Israel collapse as a kingdom due to their idol worship and infant sacrifices to Molech. He even let them be led away into captivity.

He has let the lampstands of most of the churches in Asia Minor go out, stamped out by the conquering Muslim Turks.

Let us take this as a warning, a sign of our need for repentence and drawing closer to God, to reform our own so that we may transform the world. We must continue to build God’s Kingdom here on earth, and He has given us His Spirit of joy and peace even amidst this darkness.

We Americans have easily grown complacent and used to the idea that we live in such a privileged society of comparative ease and liberty. Most other Christians have had to endure much more hardship and persecution. So we are under siege now in this nation. So be it. God wins in the end. Let’s make sure we’re still on His side.
 
Did I miss something? Why did the Catholic person say it was wrong to base our politics on dead babies?

Why shouldn’t I base my political decisions on good and evil? I’m confused by that post and it makes me sad.
Our Church leaders have failed to make these points clear - and we reap the wild wind now.

I unfriended a Catholic friend who proudly voted for Obama in 2008 and again this time. I’ve tried for at least a year to break into her Fort Knox of a mind…To get her to understand that what she is doing is sinning mortally by voting for such a person - who endorses all 5 non-negotiables for Catholic voters. I made no impact. Just like the forum members here who defend their political viewpoints with “social justice” instead of the #1 issue which is the murder of innocent babies.

So sad for our nation today. There’s something very wrong when just a few counties can rule the entire nation with their votes.
 
Our Church leaders have failed to make these points clear - and we reap the wild wind now.
Many of the bishops are getting pretty clear, now. The media doesn’t give them as much attention as it gives the “Catholic” politicians who are dissenters.

And many Catholics hide behind whatever justification they can find for voting for their political preferences and not for Life–like, “the Republicans have been in office before but have never overturned RvW,” as if that were the only achievement that they would accept of a Pro-Life politician.

And then there are priests (like one, at least, that I know) who don’t understand the concept of “non-negotiables.” They think the entire social teaching comprises the “non-negotiables,” without realizing that we can differ greatly on what is the best way to help the poor–but we cannot differ at all about if/when it is okay to kill babies or allow other people to kill theirs. THAT’s the difference. The non-negotiables are straightforward.

There’s no negotiating on “how” or “to what extent is this permissible” on these issues. Whereas there’s plenty of room for discussion on the best way to care for the poor, to defend freedoms, to create a just legal and corrections system, etc.

Yet many Catholics, even priests and religious, don’t understand that distinction. They may even say “NO killing is ever justified” (ignoring just war doctrine and using military and capital punishment concerns to vote pro-abortion instead). Or they may say that scale doesn’t matter–one person dead is as bad as the abortion of millions of innocents, so you can’t rank abortion higher than some other life issue.

Problem is, God gave us the gift of Reason for a reason. And it is irrational to hold such positions, illogical to make such arguments.
I unfriended a Catholic friend who proudly voted for Obama in 2008 and again this time. I’ve tried for at least a year to break into her Fort Knox of a mind…To get her to understand that what she is doing is sinning mortally by voting for such a person - who endorses all 5 non-negotiables for Catholic voters. I made no impact. Just like the forum members here who defend their political viewpoints with “social justice” instead of the #1 issue which is the murder of innocent babies.
One way to put it to people that I think is more effective than most is to compare it to slavery:
If a politician that you loved in every other way endorsed legalized slavery, intending to make/keep legal the continued dehumanization of a whole class of people into a state of property that can be bought, sold, or destroyed upon the “owner’s” whim, could you possibly vote for that person?

That’s no mere hypothetical. That was a real question in the 1800s in this country. You couldn’t be an abolitionist and vote for a pro-slavery candidate then. You can’t call yourself Pro-Life and vote for a Pro-abortion candidate now. No matter what other issues.

The sad thing is, this argument works sometimes because people see slavery (and racism) as more abhorrent than abortion (murder of innocent babies). And they see the crime of slavery as worse than the crime of murder. Abortion is, of course, objectively, a far greater crime on a far greater scale than slavery ever was.
So sad for our nation today. There’s something very wrong when just a few counties can rule the entire nation with their votes.
Mob rule by easily-demagogued cities is how Greece and Rome fell. America has now all but fallen, too. Neither of those empires ever recovered.

The lie here that will become the next great heresy that we must confront is that the State is the savior, and material things and goods are the be all and end all of existence. A right to impose on others for your ease of living, entertainment, and promotion of your lifestyle is becoming the new demand. State and Self are the idols. And the misery that our culture will fall into because of it, already so widely apparent in the addictions and broken relationships of our time, will be tremendous.

We must bear the message of Christ into the world, that HE is our Savior, the one we look to for our peace, joy, and providence, not the State. And that SelfLESSness is the only way to fulfillment, not selfishness.
 
Well, the OP’s question is more than academic now. God help us. I don’t think Catholics who voted for the most pro-death president in American history know what they’ve unleased. As a lame duck he’ll mandate whatever he pleases with no one to tell him no, no one to stop him. We’ll see what the decision to elect him in spite of Church teaching will reap–it won’t be good. 😦
I dont think so. No president can act on his own, and with the obstruction of the tea party house I think it will be business as usaul and nothing will get done unless perhaps by executive order.

I think we can all relax, nothing has changed. And or will change.
 
I dont think so. No president can act on his own, and with the obstruction of the tea party house I think it will be business as usaul and nothing will get done unless perhaps by executive order.

I think we can all relax, nothing has changed. And or will change.
No party is “obstructionist” in a democracy. We’re supposed to have differing points of view. The tea party is just another part of that process. The founders set up checks and balances, which work, for the most part. Sometimes they don’t, though, and that’s when we get agendas instead of good legislation from both right and left. If all parties are willing to work together things will get done. The onus falls mainly on the president because its his job to bring everyone together to get the business of governing done. If he is unwilling or unable to do that, then yes, nothing will get done.
 
If you make your political decision based on some dead babies then you have a shallow point of view.
Yeah,

what’s 60,000,000 babies after all…[a shallow point of view]. Spoken like a true clueless catholic.

Well, here’s to the next 60,000,000.

I will pray for you-you poor soul.
 
The founders set up checks and balances, which work, for the most part.
I agree. Unfortunately the Supreme Court got around this with their ruling on Roe vs Wade, which hadn’t even passed in Congress.
 
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