What do you all think of Joyce Meyer?

[OrdinaryMelkite]

I’ll stand with many of the other posters here and declare Joyce to be a major acolyte of the “Word of Faith” school, like Copeland, Hagee, Osteen, and Creflo Dollar. “name It and Claim It.” Some good points amid the “rubble”, but mostly just bad, even irresponsible theology mixed with “Prosperity Consciousness” that borders dangerously close to the teachings of THE SECRET.

And yes, she and other “W of F” preachers tech that Jesus WAS trapped by the Devil in Hell and so on…also that God cannot do anything without one “allowing” him to.

A VERY enlightening book on the subject that calls these folks out and takes down names is Hank Hanegraaff (The Bible Answer Man)'s CHRISTIANITY IN CRISIS-21st CENTURY, which details in near-exhausting detail the various proponents of the various “heresies” and their statements. VERY much worth reading. Hanegraaff is not a Catholic but IS a sincere beliver in Scriptural truth and Christian accuracy.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I’ll stand with many of the other posters here and declare Joyce to be a major acolyte of the “Word of Faith” school, like Copeland, Hagee, Osteen, and Creflo Dollar. “name It and Claim It.” Some good points amid the “rubble”, but mostly just bad, even irresponsible theology mixed with “Prosperity Consciousness” that borders dangerously close to the teachings of THE SECRET.

And yes, she and other “W of F” preachers tech that Jesus WAS trapped by the Devil in Hell and so on…also that God cannot do anything without one “allowing” him to.

A VERY enlightening book on the subject that calls these folks out and takes down names is Hank Hanegraaff (The Bible Answer Man)'s CHRISTIANITY IN CRISIS-21st CENTURY, which details in near-exhausting detail the various proponents of the various “heresies” and their statements. VERY much worth reading. Hanegraaff is not a Catholic but IS a sincere beliver in Scriptural truth and Christian accuracy.

Another good book is John MacArthur’s Charismatic Chaos. It isn’t hard to read, and touches on a lot of what the Word of Faith/Prosperity People teach and do, and while Hanegraaff often focuses on doctrinal issues, MacArthur deals with how they distort the word of God and church history to build up their arguments. As MacArthur points out many times in the book, it isn’t that he’s picking on Charismatics in particular, he’s simply attacking the more extreme beliefs that came out of that movement.

 

[JRRTFAN]

I’ll stand with many of the other posters here and declare Joyce to be a major acolyte of the “Word of Faith” school, like Copeland, Hagee, Osteen, and Creflo Dollar. “name It and Claim It.” Some good points amid the “rubble”, but mostly just bad, even irresponsible theology mixed with “Prosperity Consciousness” that borders dangerously close to the teachings of THE SECRET.

And yes, she and other “W of F” preachers tech that Jesus WAS trapped by the Devil in Hell and so on…also that God cannot do anything without one “allowing” him to.

A VERY enlightening book on the subject that calls these folks out and takes down names is Hank Hanegraaff (The Bible Answer Man)'s CHRISTIANITY IN CRISIS-21st CENTURY, which details in near-exhausting detail the various proponents of the various “heresies” and their statements. VERY much worth reading. Hanegraaff is not a Catholic but IS a sincere beliver in Scriptural truth and Christian accuracy.

The problem with Hank is he is so profoundly anti-Catholiche sets my teeth on edge.

 

[Eliza10]

Joyce Meyer sure knows how to live well. She and her family live free in this fine and lovely compound all paid for by her “ministry” trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer2.html (click on the picture for more info; the article is very interesting too).

I have a friend who I met at my old parish where I used to live. She is a lovely and unique person. Unfortunately her husbands secure retirement was lost by bad investors, and while she went to Sunday Mass regularly she was fed all week on Joyce Meyer and other prosperity gospel speakers on TBN. Over the two years I knew her regularly, we both had struggles but she never lifted out of hers, ever. Two years later things are still so bad for her - I mean her soul and her spirit - and really only worse. Most markedly she is increasingly bitter and not able to hang onto the optimism she use to so strive to maintain. Her faith is no comfort at all. She is more and more estranged from her faith. I am utterly convinced that this is because of the mind-prgramming of her TBN programs, and the false Word of Faith, “Name it and Claim it” gospel. It has shredded her spiritual life. She gets angry at me when I say so, so I can only pray for her now.

Please say a Hail Mary for my friend!

 

[JesuXPIPassio]

Joyce Meyer sure knows how to live well. She and her family live free in this fine and lovely compound all paid for by her “ministry” trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer2.html (click on the picture for more info; the article is very interesting too).

I have a friend who I met at my old parish where I used to live. She is a lovely and unique person. Unfortunately her husbands secure retirement was lost by bad investors, and while she went to Sunday Mass regularly she was fed all week on Joyce Meyer and other prosperity gospel speakers on TBN. Over the two years I knew her regularly, we both had struggles but she never lifted out of hers, ever. Two years later things are still so bad for her - I mean her soul and her spirit - and really only worse. Most markedly she is increasingly bitter and not able to hang onto the optimism she use to so strive to maintain. Her faith is no comfort at all. She is more and more estranged from her faith. I am utterly convinced that this is because of the mind-prgramming of her TBN programs, and the false Word of Faith, “Name it and Claim it” gospel. It has shredded her spiritual life. She gets angry at me when I say so, so I can only pray for her now.

Please say a Hail Mary for my friend!

This makes me really… squirmish. She asks for donations, and while most of it goes to the ministry, it looks like a huge chunk of it goes to give her a fancy lifestyle.

How exactly does she ask for donations? Does she ask people to sacrifice, or is it more like, if you have some extra, send it our way? It’s disturbing if it’s the first. The second isn’t much better; Meyer herself has loads of extra cash, she can pretty much fund herself by this point.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

When I see Joyce Meyer, the Pink Floyd song “Money” just comes on…

"Money, it’s a gas, grab that cash with both hands and make a stNew car, caviar, four star daydream
Think I’ll buy me a football team

Money get back
I’m all right Jack
Keep your hands off my stack!"

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

The problem with Hank is he is so profoundly anti-Catholiche sets my teeth on edge.

I didn’t get that feeling reading his book but if he IS I don’t condone it, of course. I was making statements strictly on the matter of the book. Whatever Hanegraaf’s personal views regarding Catholicism, the book is excellent.

 

[elvisman]

I’ll stand with many of the other posters here and declare Joyce to be a major acolyte of the “Word of Faith” school, like Copeland, Hagee, Osteen, and Creflo Dollar. “name It and Claim It.” Some good points amid the “rubble”, but mostly just bad, even irresponsible theology mixed with “Prosperity Consciousness” that borders dangerously close to the teachings of THE SECRET.

And yes, she and other “W of F” preachers tech that Jesus WAS trapped by the Devil in Hell and so on…also that God cannot do anything without one “allowing” him to.

A VERY enlightening book on the subject that calls these folks out and takes down names is Hank Hanegraaff (The Bible Answer Man)'s CHRISTIANITY IN CRISIS-21st CENTURY, which details in near-exhausting detail the various proponents of the various “heresies” and their statements. VERY much worth reading. Hanegraaff is not a Catholic but IS a sincere beliver in Scriptural truth and Christian accuracy.

Whereas Hank Hanegraaff’s book is enlightening, he himself is an anti-Catholic. I listened to him for over 10 years and never heard him say one good thing about the Catholic Church. It was all negative. His website, contains his skewed articles regarding the Catholic Church.

However - I wouldn’t put him in the same league as John MacArthur, who resorts to lies in spreading his particular brand of Anti-Catholicism.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Whereas Hank Hanegraaff’s book is enlightening, he himself is an anti-Catholic. I listened to him for over 10 years and never heard him say one good thing about the Catholic Church. It was all negative. His website, contains his skewed articles regarding the Catholic Church.

However - I wouldn’t put him in the same league as John MacArthur, who resorts to lies in spreading his particular brand of Anti-Catholicism.

Thanks for telling us that. Like I said, I was talking more about the book when I made the post.

Did not know McArthur was anti-Catholic. Too bad.

 

[elvisman]

Thanks for telling us that. Like I said, I was talking more about the book when I made the post.

Did not know McArthur was anti-Catholic. Too bad.

**MacArthur made a tape a few years ago called The Scandal of the Priesthood. It contained some of the mose vile, hate-filled statements about the church. when I found the transcript on his website, it was "cleaned-up" - edited - so that it didn’t sound half as bad as the tape. It’s still filled with lies, but it’s a little less vitriolic.

As for Joyce Meyer and the rest of the Word Faith crowd - they all remind me of the false prophets Jesus was talking about in Matt. 7:15-23:
*"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. **By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? *
***Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit. ***
***A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit. ***
*Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. ****So by their fruits you will know them. ***
*"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. *
***Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’ ***
*Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’ *

 

[JesuXPIPassio]

As for Joyce Meyer and the rest of the Word Faith crowd - they all remind me of the false prophets Jesus was talking about in Matt. 7:15-23:
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
***Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit. ***
***A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit. ***
Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. ***So by their fruits you will know them. ***
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
***Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’ ***
Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’

I wonder if Joyce Meyers knows she’s deluding people, or if she’s so deluded herself that she thinks she makes sense.

 

[ShortyLaRock_82]

I watched her show a couple times. I enjoyed it and found that some of what she said made sense to me.

However I found it odd that she is a divorced and remarried woman. We all know what the Bible says about that.

What do you think of her? Is she like Benny Hinn without the miracles, the stereotypical televangelist? Or is she the real deal?

She, along with Joel Osteen, are nothing but motivational speakers who pay lip service to the Bible and Christian theology.

She teaches that Jesus descended into hell and was tortured by demons for 3 days before His resurrection.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Whereas Hank Hanegraaff’s book is enlightening, he himself is an anti-Catholic. I listened to him for over 10 years and never heard him say one good thing about the Catholic Church. It was all negative. His website, contains his skewed articles regarding the Catholic Church.

However - I wouldn’t put him in the same league as John MacArthur, who resorts to lies in spreading his particular brand of Anti-Catholicism.

What’s your definition of anti-Catholic - disagreeing with the church? I’ve listened to the White vs. Akins “debate” advertised on the top screen of CAF, and there Hanegraaff (who was asking the questions) said he considers Roman Catholics to be brothers in Christ.

Just to use another example: I know he disagrees with Calvinism, but far as I know that just amounts to, “I just don’t agree with it,” and he has friends who are Calvinists, so I wouldn’t go around calling him a rabid anti-Calvinist.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I wonder if Joyce Meyers knows she’s deluding people, or if she’s so deluded herself that she thinks she makes sense.

I think it’s a little bit of Column A and B. I’m sure Meyers was a lot like Benny Hinn: starting out OK, but being seduced by the possibility of fame and power and allowing herself to fall. It’s a sad thing when after the rain comes all that grows up are thorns (cf. Hebrews 6:7-8).

 

[elvisman]

What’s your definition of anti-Catholic - disagreeing with the church? I’ve listened to the White vs. Akins “debate” advertised on the top screen of CAF, and there Hanegraaff (who was asking the questions) said he considers Roman Catholics to be brothers in Christ.

Just to use another example: I know he disagrees with Calvinism, but far as I know that just amounts to, “I just don’t agree with it,” and he has friends who are Calvinists, so I wouldn’t go around calling him a rabid anti-Calvinist.

First of all - I didn’t refer to him as a “rabid anti-Catholic”. I said he was anti-Catholic and he IS.

**In the 10 years that I listened to him, he had scores of guests who were anti-Catholic. As a matter of fact, they would discuss the ecumenical movement that was going on during the late 90’s when many Protestant pastors and theologians were signing an agreement with the Catholic Church having to do with our common beliefs. Hank would say during this time that he couldn’t sign an ecumenical agreement with the Catholic Church because he didn’t consider us to be Christians.

Is that anti-Catholic enough for ya?

Finally - even though he is anti-Catholic, I stated that he wasn’t even in the same league as the rabidly anti-Catholic John MacArthur, who actually resorts to lies to make his false claims. At the very least, Hanegraaff doesn’t lie about the Church - he simply doesn’t understand the Gospel of Christ.

 

[JustaServant]

I think it’s a little bit of Column A and B. I’m sure Meyers was a lot like Benny Hinn: starting out OK, but being seduced by the possibility of fame and power and allowing herself to fall. It’s a sad thing when after the rain comes all that grows up are thorns (cf. Hebrews 6:7-8).

I think she is far down on the list of WOF teachers. People like Hinn and Copeland are far worse. They’re like rock stars, they have a following and that is who they are preaching to.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

**In the 10 years that I listened to him, he had scores **of guests who were anti-Catholic. As a matter of fact, they would discuss the ecumenical movement that was going on during the late 90’s when many Protestant pastors and theologians were signing an agreement with the Catholic Church having to do with our common beliefs. Hank would say during this time that he *couldn’t *sign an ecumenical agreement with the Catholic Church because he didn’t consider us to be Christians.

Is that anti-Catholic enough for ya?

Could you please refer to me where you heard or read him saying that?

Here is just an example of the differentiation I am trying to make:

In other words, we recognize that Roman Catholicism historically has affirmed the essential teachings of the Bible, while also teaching doctrines which are inconsistent with that affirmation and which seriously compromise the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. We acknowledge in Roman Catholicism the presence of many genuine brothers and sisters in the Lord, while also recognizing that many of those within Roman Catholicism worldwide appear to be lost. source; emphasis mine]

He admits here that he considers many Roman Catholics “brothers and sisters in the Lord” (which would make them Christians), he simply doesn’t agree with many of the doctrines of the Roman Church (though as he admits here, he agrees with at least some of them). Again, if disagreeing with the Roman Catholic Church by itself makes you “anti-Catholic,” then you might as well put me into that category as well.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I think she is far down on the list of WOF teachers. People like Hinn and Copeland are far worse. They’re like rock stars, they have a following and that is who they are preaching to.

Most of those people do. The sad thing is their followers don’t seem to comprehend it. I remember a woman I used to know (and from an Eastern Orthodox church, no less) who defended Hinn vehemently and claimed that his critics just didn’t know “what it was like to be under the spirit.” That’s a classic apologetics for these people - “you just don’t know what it’s like!” Nowhere in scripture is such a standard put forth to discern true or false teachers. At best it’s pure relativism.

I guess in some ways we shouldn’t be surprised, giving the warnings by the apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the “man of lawlessness” and his followers.

 

[OneAugustKnight]

Could you please refer to me where you heard or read him saying that?

Here is just an example of the differentiation I am trying to make:

In other words, we recognize that Roman Catholicism historically has affirmed the essential teachings of the Bible, while also teaching doctrines which are inconsistent with that affirmation and which seriously compromise the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. We acknowledge in Roman Catholicism the presence of many genuine brothers and sisters in the Lord, while also recognizing that many of those within Roman Catholicism worldwide appear to be lost. source; emphasis mine]

He admits here that he considers many Roman Catholics “brothers and sisters in the Lord” (which would make them Christians), he simply doesn’t agree with many of the doctrines of the Roman Church (though as he admits here, he agrees with at least some of them). Again, if disagreeing with the Roman Catholic Church by itself makes you “anti-Catholic,” then you might as well put me into that category as well.

Which Catholics do non-Catholics see as brothers and sisters in Christ? The ones that try to practice all the teachings of the Catholic Church or the ones that only practice the teachings that are in agreement with Protestant teachings and reject the rest? What must a Catholic believe for a non-Catholic Christian to acknowledge that the Catholic is a Christian?

 

[elvisman]

Could you please refer to me where you heard or read him saying that?

Here is just an example of the differentiation I am trying to make:
In other words, we recognize that Roman Catholicism historically has affirmed the essential teachings of the Bible, while also teaching doctrines which are inconsistent with that affirmation and which seriously compromise the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. We acknowledge in Roman Catholicism the presence of many genuine brothers and sisters in the Lord, while also recognizing that many of those within Roman Catholicism worldwide appear to be lost. source; emphasis mine]
He admits here that he considers many Roman Catholics “brothers and sisters in the Lord” (which would make them Christians), he simply doesn’t agree with many of the doctrines of the Roman Church (though as he admits here, he agrees with at least some of them). Again, if disagreeing with the Roman Catholic Church by itself makes you “anti-Catholic,” then you might as well put me into that category as well.

**Then, he has changed his position. It would be *impossible *for me to point you to the radio broadcast in which he made these claims - *15 years ago *- while I was driving home from work. If Hank has shifted his position - it was by the work of the Holy Spirit. I stopped listening to him years ago.

If you think I’m lying - so be it. I have absolutely no reason to falsely add Hank to the scores of other anti-Catholic broadcasters out there.