What do you all think of Taize?

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I’ve played for and organised many Taize services - I like it, although as with anything else a church musician does, it is possible to have too much of a good thing if you have to play for them too often.

(Why do we have to “need” something for it to be beneficial, BTW?)

It isn’t for everybody - my H doesn’t click with it. for example, but then he has problems with any repetitive prayer, so it isn’t Taize-specific.

My only issue with Taize prayer is not the fault of Taize itself … it is a rather fragile creature and too many people ignore the guidance of those who created it and try to recreate “the Taize experience” at places and times where it just doesn’t gel.

The repetitive chant works at a Taize service where everyone knows what to expect, there is an atmosphere of stillness and everyone is tuned in to the meditative mood. I’ve never seen it work at Mass - those who don’t know Taize just seem to have a “huh?” reaction to the chant - they’re not “in the zone” and can’t work out why we’re singing the same phrase over and over. It works where the singing is in parts and a critical mass of singers makes it self-sustaining. I’ve been asked to lead it in gatherings so small there is no chance for harmony and where if I stop singing for a break, everyone stops. The guidelines specifically state this is not music that is “led” in the way a cantor leads, and where people try to do that or the service is so small that it happens by default, IME it kills it stone dead.

I think it is a wonderful thing for those who relate to it as a form of prayer and meditation, but too many people go to a good service, come away enthused but without understanding what makes it work, and in trying to recreate the experience produce some rather underwhelming efforts which leave other folks wondering what all the raving was about. 😦
 
I can appreciate that.
Our particular parish does both Taize and Vespers. 🙂
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Good to hear! My university parish has Lauds at 7:30 AM throughout the week (too early for me to walk across campus) and Compline on Mondays at 11 PM. Unfortunately, the rubrics are seldom followed, and feasts are seldom observed, which is another reason I won’t walk all the way across campus that early in the morning. Why go through all that just to participate in something done incorrectly?
 
I think the Church recognizes we have destroyed our own culture so that now we have to rely on practices not traditionally Catholic, much to our own peril. We have many other services available as mentioned above, ie., Liturgy of the Hours, etc. Let’s rely and rebuild our own culture.
 
I think the Church recognizes we have destroyed our own culture so that now we have to rely on practices not traditionally Catholic, much to our own peril. We have many other services available as mentioned above, ie., Liturgy of the Hours, etc. Let’s rely and rebuild our own culture.
Who said we “have to rely” on Taize?

And as I asked earlier, why do we have to “need” something before it can be beneficial?

Who said Taize replaces anything specifically Catholic?

Very few of the Taize services I’ve been involved in have been organised specifically by Catholics, they’ve always been scheduled around other regular events and attendance is very much up to those who want to go. No “reliance”, entirely optional, and I’ve never seen any Catholic practices suppressed and replaced with a Taize service.
 
Who said we “have to rely” on Taize?

And as I asked earlier, why do we have to “need” something before it can be beneficial?

Who said Taize replaces anything specifically Catholic?

Very few of the Taize services I’ve been involved in have been organised specifically by Catholics, they’ve always been scheduled around other regular events and attendance is very much up to those who want to go. No “reliance”, entirely optional, and I’ve never seen any Catholic practices suppressed and replaced with a Taize service.
The point is, it’s a practice foreign to the Tradition of the Church; therefore, the priority of Taize should be arranged accordingly.
 
The point is, it’s a practice foreign to the Tradition of the Church; therefore, the priority of Taize should be arranged accordingly.
Absolutely correct.

Where in this thread did anyone say Taize was taking priority over Catholic practices?

The OP asked what everyone thought and appears to be being taken to task for something that was never said.
 
You associate Taize with the protestants because it was started by a Swiss protestant minister by the name of Roger Schutz during world War II in France . The founder went by the name of Brother Roger and he remained at the head of the community until his death in 2005 . His approach is non-doctrinal and non-denominational .Roger Schutz participated in the Vatican Ii Council and Pope John-Paul visited the French monastery himself in October 1986. All religion are welcome, Jews,Catholics, Hindus and Buddhists and even non-religious people. The candles, the icons, the music, the songs, the incense, etc., are a reminescence of Medieval times , before the Reformation . A lot of nostagia there … They are also very involved in social-justice issues . They have no specific creeds or doctrines . No specific clergy is required . It does not have anything in common with any Protestant worship service of today . Does this answer your question ?
JosieElaine
 
My thoughts on Taize:

I don’t understand why Catholics need it. We have our own liturgical traditions, including the Divine Office. It seems to me that many parishes will host Taize services yet never even think to have Vespers or Lauds. All in the name of “ecumenism,” of course. I fail to see how singing some repetitive, 20th century songs is more prayerful and “ecumenical” than chanting the Psalms.

I don’t mind some Taize songs during Mass, but they get repetitive and annoying after awhile, and like my issue with the prayer service vs Divine Office, I don’t understand why we need Taize hymns in the Mass when we have our own Catholic hymns that convey the Catholic Faith in a much less hippie-like fashion.

P. S. I am not talking about the “Catholic” “hymns” in the Gather hymnal either.
Exactly. A local school board is hosting some Taziey event, yet haven’t held a Liturgy of the Hours or Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

The ecumenical efforts of the ‘spririt of Vatican II’ haven’t worked very well for us Catholics. We are the original Christians with all others being off-shoots. Why we feel the need to practice their rituals when so many of our own are ignored is beyond me.

I think Taize should only be considered by parishes or diocese with extremely strong congregations, seminarians, faith and practices. If there are members of the Protestant sects that become attracted to Catholicism and convert then it would be a great thing. Otherwise it has all the appearances of another attempt to water down our Church.
 
What do I think of Taize? Not much at all actually.

You see, I happen to believe that the Catholic Church is the true Church founded by Jesus.

I also believe that the Orthodox Churches are true Churches even though they are deficient in some areas.

However, the protestant communities are seriously deformed aberrations of Christianity and in most of the Churches collective history would have been condemned as heretics.

Having a community that incorporates the two, true Church and aberrational community, I think cannot be good, unless a concerted effort is made to bring the aberrant members back to the Church.

That is not however what happens at TAIZE, so I see it merely as a feel good PC exercise. in misguided and misplaced ecumenism.
 
The only thing that matters is what does Christ think about it? After shedding His Blood for His Spouse (the Church) I think for the laity to join in any kind of non Catholic worship would be akin to marital infidelity.

I know I would be pretty ticked if I shed my blood for my wife and she ran off with another man!
 
What do I think of Taize? Not much at all actually.

You see, I happen to believe that the Catholic Church is the true Church founded by Jesus.
Then you’ll be happy to know that several Popes have spoken well of Taize. Blessed Pope John XXIII called Taize “that little springtime”. Pope John Paul the Great visited Taize in 1986. Pope Benedict XVI has spoken admirably of Taize’s founder Brother Roger.
From article: Pope Mourns Murder of Taizé’s Brother Roger :
At this moment of sadness," the Pope said, “we can only commend to the Lord’s goodness the soul of this faithful servant of his.”

“Frère Schutz is in the hands of eternal goodness, of eternal love; he has attained eternal joy,” the Holy Father added. “He invites and exhorts us to be faithful laborers in the Lord’s vineyard, also in sad situations, certain that the Lord accompanies us and gives us his joy.”
On the anniversary of Brother Roger’s death ( article )
The Holy Father said today to the crowds gathered at the papal summer residence of Castel Gandolfo for the weekly audience, that the life of Brother Roger was a “testimony of Christian faith and ecumenical dialogue was a precious teaching for entire generations of young people.”

“We pray to the Lord that the sacrifice of his life will contribute to consolidate the commitment to peace and solidarity of all those who have the future of humanity at heart,” the Pope added.

A day before Brother Roger’s death, Benedict XVI received an affectionate letter from him in which he assured him of his ecumenical community’s intention to “walk in communion with the Holy Father.”
Brother Roger attended the funeral of Pope John Paul II and received communion from the hands of Pope Benedict when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.

The lyrics of Taize music are taken from scriptures but also from Catholic saints like St. Teresa of Avila. The songs are often in Latin. Catholics are members of the Taize community. Taize is not something for Catholics to fear.
 
Then you’ll be happy to know that several Popes have spoken well of Taize. Blessed Pope John XXIII called Taize “that little springtime”. Pope John Paul the Great visited Taize in 1986. Pope Benedict XVI has spoken admirably of Taize’s founder Brother Roger.
From article: Pope Mourns Murder of Taizé’s Brother Roger :

On the anniversary of Brother Roger’s death ( article )

Brother Roger attended the funeral of Pope John Paul II and received communion from the hands of Pope Benedict when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.

The lyrics of Taize music are taken from scriptures but also from Catholic saints like St. Teresa of Avila. The songs are often in Latin. Catholics are members of the Taize community. Taize is not something for Catholics to fear.
It doesn’t change my opinion of the group one bit. While some TAIZE members are Catholic others are protestant.

If I recall Brother Roger was in fact a protestant, so how could he receive Holy Communion from anyone?

Of course there are those who say that he converted to the faith at some point in life but I have never seen any evidence of it.
 
Then you’ll be happy to know that several Popes have spoken well of Taize. Blessed Pope John XXIII called Taize “that little springtime”. Pope John Paul the Great visited Taize in 1986. Pope Benedict XVI has spoken admirably of Taize’s founder Brother Roger.
From article: Pope Mourns Murder of Taizé’s Brother Roger :

On the anniversary of Brother Roger’s death ( article )

Brother Roger attended the funeral of Pope John Paul II and received communion from the hands of Pope Benedict when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.

The lyrics of Taize music are taken from scriptures but also from Catholic saints like St. Teresa of Avila. The songs are often in Latin. Catholics are members of the Taize community. Taize is not something for Catholics to fear.
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Several Popes have also spoken well of Lifeteen and the Neocatechumanl movements, so I would say such endorsements are more politically motivated than anything else since we all know the directions those movements have taken…
 
It doesn’t change my opinion of the group one bit. While some TAIZE members are Catholic others are protestant.
Ok, but why don’t the positive views of 3 different Popes persuade you?
If I recall Brother Roger was in fact a protestant, so how could he receive Holy Communion from anyone?
Brother Roger appears receiving communion from Cardinal Ratzinger on camera. Pictures here and here for example.

I don’t dispute that this was a bit controversial, but I believe there are (extremely rare) cases where a non-Catholic, non-Orthodox person who holds the same beliefs we do about the Eucharist might be permitted to receive communion under special circumstances. I don’t have time right now to cite sources but I’ll try if I have time later. I’m reasonably confident that Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict, was using his good judgement in that situation.
 
Ok, but why don’t the positive views of 3 different Popes persuade you?

Brother Roger appears receiving communion from Cardinal Ratzinger on camera. Pictures here and here for example.

I don’t dispute that this was a bit controversial, but I believe there are (extremely rare) cases where a non-Catholic, non-Orthodox person who holds the same beliefs we do about the Eucharist might be permitted to receive communion under special circumstances. I don’t have time right now to cite sources but I’ll try if I have time later. I’m reasonably confident that Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict, was using his good judgement in that situation.
The “special circumstances” are in danger of death and only if they profess the Catholic belief in the Eucharist.

Also, Brother Roger had converted to the Catholic faith according to a Vatican spokesman and this article here:

remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2006-0831-shutz-conversion.htm
 
Ok, but why don’t the positive views of 3 different Popes persuade you?
I would think that he’s not persuaded since you cite the positive views of 3 popes but he could probably site 100 saying to stay away from interfaith / ecumenical worship. 👍
 
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