What do you call her?

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I donā€™t know why people try to make this so hard. Jesus didnā€™t make things hard. He had, and still has to this day, a very broad audience, so He made things easy so that everyone could understand because Christianity is all about INCLUSION.

Jesus = God
Mary = Mother of Jesus

therefore

Mary = Mother of God

No one really needs to overthink this.
 
The picture on that site is kind of shocking for many non-R.C.'s, and titles like co-redemptrix are looked at as attributing to mary what belongs to God alone.
 
Just FYI, it is contrary to CAF rules to post links to anti-Catholic sites.
 
tbuley said:
The picture on that site is kind of shocking for many non-R.C.'s, and titles like co-redemptrix are looked at as attributing to mary what belongs to God alone.
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tbuley

Even if one does not agree with these things, the answer is not in denying Mary something that she was. I think you would agree with me on this since you said it yourself that she was the Mother of God. Being the Mother of God says more about Jesus than about Mary. What is a person really denying when they say she was not the Mother of God?

God bless
 
Roman_Catholic said:
I have been referred to that site numerous times. It is an awful site. I once thought that it spoke for all Protestants at one point in time. Well maybe not all but most anyways.

God bless
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Well the title that came up on the search engine was ā€œThe Catholic Mary is a demonā€ so I knew it was going to be bad.
 
Goth_Catholic said:
Well the title that came up on the search engine was ā€œThe Catholic Mary is a demonā€ so I knew it was going to be bad.
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Oh its awful. It is even more so that there are people out there who honestly deep down believe this.

God bless
 
I guess the only way to convince non-Catholic Christians who despise the Blessed Virgin is when they die, they will see her and weep.
 
These are the words of the Council about the Mother of God:
ā€œTherefore, because the holy virgin bore in the flesh God who was united hypostatically with the flesh, for that reason we call her mother of God, not as though the nature of the Word had the beginning of its existence from the flesh (for ā€œthe Word was in the beginning and the Word was God and the Word was with Godā€, and he made the ages and is coeternal with the Father and craftsman of all things), but because, as we have said, he united to himself hypostatically the human and underwent a birth according to the flesh from her wombā€. (Third letter of Cyril to Nestorius)ā€¦
Code: 
... "1. If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh), let him be anathema" (the first of 12 anathemas).
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MelanieAnne said:
I donā€™t know why people try to make this so hard. Jesus didnā€™t make things hard. He had, and still has to this day, a very broad audience, so He made things easy so that everyone could understand because Christianity is all about INCLUSION.

Jesus = God
Mary = Mother of Jesus

therefore

Mary = Mother of God

No one really needs to overthink this.
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Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration Article VIII
24] On account of this personal union and communion of the natures, Mary, the most blessed Virgin, bore not a mere man, but, as the angel [Gabriel] testifies, such a man as is truly the Son of the most high God, who showed His divine majesty even in His motherā€™s womb, inasmuch as He was born of a virgin, with her virginity inviolate. **Therefore she is truly the mother of God, and nevertheless remained a virgin. **
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If there are Lutherans lurking here who are unsure of what we call her, there it is. She is Theotokus, mother of God, ā€œthe most Blessed Virginā€.

As for these sites like, Jesus-is-lord, I find them hideous, hateful attacks on my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. And I donā€™t go to them because it only increases their hit counts.

Jon
 
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JonNC:
If there are Lutherans lurking here who are unsure of what we call her, there it is. She is Theotokus, mother of God, ā€œthe most Blessed Virginā€.Jon

Augsburg Confession Article XXI: Of the Worship of the Saints.
But the Scripture teaches not the invocation of saints or to ask help of saints, since it sets before us the one Christ as the Mediator, Propitiation, High Priest, and Intercessor.
 
tbuley said:
If there are Lutherans lurking here who are unsure of what we call her, there it is. She is Theotokus, mother of God, ā€œthe most Blessed Virginā€.Jon
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Augsburg Confession Article XXI: Of the Worship of the Saints.
But the Scripture teaches not the invocation of saints or to ask help of saints, since it sets before us the one Christ as the Mediator, Propitiation, High Priest, and Intercessor.

Even the Catholic Church does not require the invocation of the BVM. One can show honor to her and the saints, with reverence and appreciation for the ways they served our Lord, without invocation. If you choose to invoke the saints, without setting them eqaul to our Savior, then I say fine. They may or may not be able to hear you, but God certainly does, and He knows your good intensions.

Blessings,
Jon
 
They may or may not be able to hear you said:
Apology AUGSBURG CONFESSION -But since neither a command, nor a promise, nor an example can be produced from the Scriptures concerning the invocation of saints, it follows that conscience can have nothing concerning this invocation that is certain. And since prayer ought to be made from faith, how do we know that God approves this invocation? Whence do we know
without the testimony of Scripture that the saints perceive the prayers of each one?

Iā€™m reading Luthers ā€œBondage of the Willā€ and I donā€™t know how ā€œyour good intensionsā€ fall into Lutheran understanding?
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tbuley said:
Apology AUGSBURG CONFESSION -But since neither a command, nor a promise, nor an example can be produced from the Scriptures concerning the invocation of saints, it follows that conscience can have nothing concerning this invocation that is certain. And since prayer ought to be made from faith, how do we know that God approves this invocation? Whence do we know without the testimony of Scripture that the saints perceive the prayers of each one?

Iā€™m reading Luthers ā€œBondage of the Willā€ and I donā€™t know how ā€œyour good intensionsā€ fall into Lutheran understanding?
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Ok, tbuley, I will accept your criticism of my position in this matter. But we Lutherans over time, have been pretty loose and selective in our acceptance or rejection of various parts of Marion dogma, including Dr. Lutherā€™s. Certainly, the importance of Lutherā€™s marion beliefs does not rise to that which Dave Armstrong puts on it, nor does it deserve the ignoring of it that I see within modern Lutheranism. Therefore, by our actions, or inactions, in the matter of marion dogma, it seems to me this is adiaphora.

That being the case, Iā€™m willing to take some liberty with it, as well. While I, for my own belief, do not invoke the BVM or saints for the reasons the apology states, I am not willing to condemn Catholics for doing so, with the very important caveat that folks protect themselves diligently from loosing sight of Christ as sole propitiator and mediator, as I believe was happening in Lutherā€™s time. Many Catholics seem to take great confort from this, and I donā€™t see a scripture reference condemning it.

Iā€™m sure that some of my fellow Lutherans will disagree with me on this. But then, some of my fellow Lutherans disagree with what our Confessions say about Mary.

Blessings,
Jon
 
paulsat

he picture on that site is kind of shocking for many non-R.C.'s, and titles like co-redemptrix are looked at as attributing to mary what belongs to God alone.​

freeastro
 

Its great to get so much information about God of Mother.can anybody tel me exactly what is the meaning of Emanuel and anathema.anathema sounds like some kind of sinā€¦please make it clear.​

dorson
freeastro
 
Dorson, Emanuel/Immanuel (there are a few different spellings of it) is one of the names of Jesus, from Isaiah.

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14 RSV)

ā€œAnathemaā€ is a *former *punishment of the Church, sort of like a very, very formal excommunication. It was not automatic; it had to be declared by a Bishop. It is no longer done.

Now we rely on excommunication, which happens in two ways. You can commit a specific mortal sin, like abortion, which automatically excommunicates you; or you can be formally excommunicated by a Bishop (or even the Pope). It is meant to show you how serious your sin is, and help you on the way back to the Holy Eucharist. So it is ā€œmedicinal,ā€ intended to heal.

Excommunication means you can no longer receive the Eucharist. It does not mean that one is ā€œkicked outā€ of the church. We Catholics do not disfellowship or shun people. (Individual Catholics might, but itā€™s not Church policy.)

Hope this helps,

Ruthie
 
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