What do you consider tolerance?

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JESUS DOES NOT EXPECT US TO BE “DOORMATS”

WE SHOULD BE STRONG ABOUT OUR BELIEFS AND THE TRUTH.

HE DID NOT TOLERATE THE MONEYCHANGERS IN THE TEMPLE
 
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magdaline:
JESUS DOES NOT EXPECT US TO BE “DOORMATS”

WE SHOULD BE STRONG ABOUT OUR BELIEFS AND THE TRUTH.

HE DID NOT TOLERATE THE MONEYCHANGERS IN THE TEMPLE
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They were in a church. He just wanted them out of the temple. He didn’t want them treated as inferiors he just wanted the holy space to be kept free for it’s intended purpose.
 
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magdaline:
that was exactly my point.
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No you used that to indicate Christ was down with intolerance which isn’t the case. he tolerated them fine so long as they just stayed out of the church. In other words he was willing to live and let live, i.e. tolerant. They didn’t mess with him he wouldn’t mess with them.
 
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Tlaloc:
No you used that to indicate Christ was down with intolerance which isn’t the case. he tolerated them fine so long as they just stayed out of the church. In other words he was willing to live and let live, i.e. tolerant. They didn’t mess with him he wouldn’t mess with them.
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So you agree He did not tolerate them IN THE TEMPLE, which I believe was magdaline’s original point.
 
Wow, this is a great question for this day and age, since tolerance is such an ideal that society constantly talks about…
 
Tolerance is trick word and is not a Christian word. I found that people (some) who say they are tolerance are not, and those that can claim that others “should be tolerent” and try to force the issue --ends up back firing in their face and should their true colors.
 
Putting up with utter stupidity for longer than any reasonable person ought to have to.
 
“Tolerance is the virtue of a man with no convictions.”
-G.K. Chesterton
 
I consider myself intolerant and I am proud of it. I beleive there is an absolute truth and it is taught by the Catholic Church.

I also consider those who preach tolerance, hypocrits. They say that we should be tolerant of other peoples perception of right and wrong, and what the truth is. Yet, they say we have no right to our opinion since it contradicts their “tolerance”. That in itself is being intolerant, thus hypocritical.

PF
 
In 1931, Arch Bishop Fulton J. Sheen wrote the following essay,
A Plea for Intolerance:

“America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance—it is not. It is suffering from tolerance. Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.

“Tolerance is an attitude of reasoned patience toward evil . . . a forbearance that restrains us from showing anger or inflicting punishment. Tolerance applies only to persons . . . never to truth. Tolerance applies to the erring, intolerance to the error . . . Architects are as intolerant about sand as foundations for skyscrapers as doctors are intolerant about germs in the laboratory. Tolerance does not apply to truth or principles. About these things we must be intolerant, and for this kind of intolerance, so much needed to rouse us from sentimental gush, I make a plea. Intolerance of this kind is the foundation of all stability.”
 
As to the question of the OP, I am reminded of the prayer by St Francis, or St Augustine, or perhaps someone else - "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the widom to know the difference.

The definiton of toleranace may vary by who is doing the defining. Society now defines tolerance by first defining truth; and that is defined according to the tennents of Relativism. Tolerance therefore becomes the acceptance, de facto, of moral relativity.

I, however, define tolerance differently; it is the allowance (not acceptance) of major differences of opinion concerning moral values when I have not means of effective (name removed by moderator)ut. Or as the 4th definition in my dictionary puts it, “endurance”.
I learned long ago that there is a time to simply shut up, or the results are further damamge and a further driving of the other person into their position.
 
Lisa,

Where might I find the full text of Bishop Sheen’s essay on tolerance?

Thank you.
 
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goofyjim:
I consider tolerance, if I am understanding your question, as the freedom to sin even when they accept their actions as being such. I will not interfere with dissident groups in their behavior as long as I am allowed to freely state my beliefs as well. I find tolerance is lacking on both sides these days. I am not comfortable with this ongoing battle. I seek love and find it only in Christ, my God.
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I like this definition. I don’t think tolerance is allowing sin, but the questions arises “what do we do to stop it?”. If you look back at history you see some extreme examples of intolerance, most of which involved putting the dissenters to death, usuallly in some horrible way (burned at the stake). So when someone advocates intolerance, what kind of behaviour are they advocating? Expulsion from society, treating people like lepers, etc… You have to be very careful or you can use their behaviou (of which you are intolereant) as an excuse for persecution - never a Christian ideal.
 
The word tolerance makes me think of a narrow political agenda to normalize immoral behavior, eventually culminating in intolerance and suppression of those who are considered to be intolerant.
 
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vluvski:
The word tolerance makes me think of a narrow political agenda to normalize immoral behavior, eventually culminating in intolerance and suppression of those who are considered to be intolerant.
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That’s funny - it reminds me of a narrow political agenda attacking any behaviour they see as immoral (i,e, as they ignore their own immoral behaviour) eventually culminating in the ostracizement, open hostility, and at the extreme burning at the stake or all who are considered immoral.
 
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emsvetich:
Lisa,

Where might I find the full text of Bishop Sheen’s essay on tolerance?

Thank you.
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I will have to see if I can find it. I got this from a quote site:)
 
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koda:
That’s funny - it reminds me of a narrow political agenda attacking any behaviour they see as immoral (i,e, as they ignore their own immoral behaviour) eventually culminating in the ostracizement, open hostility, and at the extreme burning at the stake or all who are considered immoral.
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Of whose agenda might you be speaking?
The OP asked for our definitions of tolerance. The word has been degraded into a social and political philosophy I cannot condone. I have similar feelings about words like diversity and feminism. They’re buzz words with nice definitions with devicive and destructive connotations given their new context.
I have friends who are gay, I have friends who are in favor of abortion, I have friends who are atheists,I have friends who abuse alcohol, I have sin in my own life. My friends know which behaviors I consider inappropriate, but I love and respect them as God’s children.
There have been occasions when hate crimes were rampant and lost souls were blasted into oblivion. The pendulum has swung the other way, and we are now experiencing the similar ostracization, open hostility, and extreme burning at the stake of all who are considered moral, and therefore intolerant.
 
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