What do you do when the tabernacle isn't visible?

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I recently joined a parish in which the tabernacle is in a special adoration chapel connected to the back of the church building which is not visible from inside the church. Before entering my pew, what should I do? Should I genuflect toward the tabernacle (toward the back of the church) even though I cannot see it?

Some people bow toward the alter before sitting down, but I don’t know if that’s appropriate. Should I do anything?
 
Bowing to the altar is the proper gesture if the tabernacle is in a separate chapel not visible to those in the nave of the church.
 
The correct gesture would be a bow to the altar. It seems to me that a deep bow (from the waist) would be the best in this situation, but that’s just me, and I may be wrong.
 
If I were in your place I would try my best to visit the Tabernacle before entering the church and finding a pew.
That’s what I would try to do.
 
OK, so here’s some follow-up questions. What are your opinions about this configuration? Why would a church want to do this? Is it possible to have more than one tabernacle? Could we have a movable tabernacle that could be kept in a special place for adoration and then placed in the church for Mass?
 
OK, so here’s some follow-up questions. What are your opinions about this configuration? Why would a church want to do this? Is it possible to have more than one tabernacle? Could we have a movable tabernacle that could be kept in a special place for adoration and then placed in the church for Mass?
No. According to the GIRM (no. 314): “The one tabernacle should be immovable, be made of solid and inviolable material that is not transparent, and be locked in such a way that the danger of profanation is prevented to the greatest extent possible.”
 
OK, so here’s some follow-up questions. What are your opinions about this configuration? Why would a church want to do this? Is it possible to have more than one tabernacle? Could we have a movable tabernacle that could be kept in a special place for adoration and then placed in the church for Mass?
The norm is for a Church only to have one tabernacle, which is to be immovable. (Canon 938, GIRM 314). It should not be in the back of the Church, however, as it should be “in a distinguished place in a church or oratory, a place which is conspicuous, suitably adorned and conducive to prayer.” Preferably that is in the Sanctuary or in a clearly visible Chapel. (Elliot, 77)
 
Bowing to the altar is the proper gesture if the tabernacle is in a separate chapel not visible to those in the nave of the church.
Why???
My understanding is that we bow to Jesus in the tabernacle because He is God. Bowing is a form of worship. Why the altar?
 
Why???
My understanding is that we bow to Jesus in the tabernacle because He is God. Bowing is a form of worship. Why the altar?
Bowing is not always a form of worship, it is also a sign of respect or veneration. We bow to the altar because the altar represents not only the cross (as the place where Christ’s sacrifice is made present), but is considered symbolic of Christ Himsef.
 
Why the altar?
When the priest and his ministers reach the entrance to the sanctuary, they make a sign of reverence, a bow of the body to the altar. (If the tabernacle with the Blessed Sacrament is in the sanctuary, then instead of bowing to the altar, they should genuflect to the Blessed Sacrament.) Then the priest ascends to the altar and kisses it before going to his chair; the deacon kisses the altar as well. On particularly solemn occasions, the priest may even bless the altar with incense. Why is all this attention paid to the altar? Because the altar is a sign of Christ; according to one of the prefaces for the Eucharistic Prayer during the Easter season, Christ is the “sacerdos, altare et agnus” (“priest, altar, and lamb”) of His sacrifice.

It is easy to recognize Christ as the priest and the lamb (that is, the victim); why He is the Altar deserves some explanation to our modern minds. St. Ambrose, bishop of Milan in the 4th century, and spiritual father of St. Augustine, took the image of Christ-as-altar for granted in his treastise De Sacramentis, where he writes (without much explanation) that “[t]he altar is a type * of the body [of Christ]” (Book IV, 7) and then again almost as an aside, “for what is the altar but the type of the body of Christ?” (Book V, 7)

Consider first the composition of the altar. Traditionally, the altar is made of stone and is immovable – although some countries, such as the United States, may use wood for the altar, provided it is “worthy, solid, and well-crafted.” (GIRM 301) Why stone for the altar? St. Paul speaks of Christ as “the supernatural Rock” which accompanied the Israelites in the desert during their exodus from Egypt, the Rock from which flowed water for their sustenance. (1 Cor. 10:4; cf. Ex. 17:6) Sts. Paul and Peter identified Christ as the “cornerstone” (Eph. 2:20; 1 Pet. 2:6), and Jesus used this language referring to Himself. (cf. Luke 20:17-18) The concept is found in Psalm 118:22-23, the very same psalm which the inhabitants of Jerusalem sang as Jesus entered their city. (cf. Ps. 118:25-26)

Not only is Christ “that living stone” (1 Pet. 2:4), but we too are called to be “living stones.” (1 Pet. 2:5) That means the altar is also a sign of the Church, made up of diverse people, living stones, gathered and built into one, in peace and unity. St. Paul described the Church as being made up of those Jews and Gentiles who accepted Christ, and that Christ “is our peace, who has made us both [Jew and Gentile] one.” (Eph. 2:14) Jesus “kissed [this altar, the Church] in the middle” with the “holy kiss of peace and unity” (Douay Catechism 125), so the priest imitates Christ in kissing the altar and in doing so, shows “a sign of his affection and close adherence to Christ.” (The Glories of the Catholic Church, p. 222)

Now consider what takes place on the altar. An altar is a place of sacrifice, a place of offering something to God, a place of encountering God. Jesus offered Himself on earth on the “altar of the cross” (SC 23), and that offering is now made present on the Church’s altar. The altar is related to our Lord’s Passion and represents the cross, so the priest bowing before the altar “signifies the prostrating of Christ in the garden, when he began his passion.” (Douay* Catechism* 125; cf. Matt. 26:39) Jesus went so far as to identify the Temple (and its altar) with Himself:
Jesus [said], “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he spoke of the temple of his body. (John 2:19-21)

“For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? … For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred?” (Matt. 23:17-19)
Jesus is the “gift” being offered on the altar, but He makes it clear that the altar makes the gift sacred; you certainly wouldn’t offer a sacrifice on an altar less dignified than the sacrifice itself. That makes Jesus (Who sanctifies) both the gift and the altar!

Rev. Maurice de la Taille, SJ, meditating upon Christ as altar in his 1915 book The Mystery of Faith, reached yet another conclusion:
[T]hose who desired to offer sacrifices to God, had to do so necessarily through an altar. But Christ, the Victim of salvation, approached to God* through Himself*. Hence He was also the altar of His own sacrifice. For us too in like manner, He is the altar of every one of our sacrifices, for we can bring no offering to God except through Christ. (Chapter 5, Section 2)
Not only did Christ approach the Father through Himself as an altar, but now Christ is our altar through Whom we approach the Father. St. Paul exhorted the Romans, “present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.” (Rom. 12:1) St. Peter took up this thought and completed it, when he wrote that we are “to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” (1 Pet. 2:5) It is no accident that we offer all our prayers to God “through Christ our Lord.”

Praying the Mass: The Prayers of the Priest, pp.68-70​
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Bowing is not always a form of worship, it is also a sign of respect or veneration. We bow to the altar because the altar represents not only the cross (as the place where Christ’s sacrifice is made present), but is considered symbolic of Christ Himsef.
That always confuses me.
At our OF parish the Tabernacle is on a side altar.
When the priest processes up to the main altar he bows to it rather than genuflecting to God almighty – He is physically present just over to the left of the priest. 🤷
 
I recently joined a parish in which the tabernacle is in a special adoration chapel connected to the back of the church building which is not visible from inside the church. Before entering my pew, what should I do? Should I genuflect toward the tabernacle (toward the back of the church) even though I cannot see it?

Some people bow toward the alter before sitting down, but I don’t know if that’s appropriate. Should I do anything?
Bow to the altar.

The Tabernacle is not important during celebration of the Mass.
 
If I were in your place I would try my best to visit the Tabernacle before entering the church and finding a pew.
That’s what I would try to do.
That’s what I do. At the abbey where I go to Mass, the tabernacle is in a separate adoration chapel next to the main church. I try to arrive early enough for Mass to spend about 15 minutes in adoration. If I can’t (say because I have a meeting with my spiritual director before Mass or am otherwise running late), I still try to drop by, genuflect before it, say a brief prayer, then repair to my pew where I bow to the altar before taking my seat.
 
I recently joined a parish in which the tabernacle is in a special adoration chapel connected to the back of the church building which is not visible from inside the church. Before entering my pew, what should I do?
Call your Bishop and demand that he fix this situation.

Or find another parish that has proper reverence for Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, and doesn’t push Him off like He’s in a broom closet.
:mad:

~Liza
 
Bow to the altar.

The Tabernacle is not important during celebration of the Mass.
The altar is where the Sacrifice takes place.
The Tabernacle holds God Himself!
I do not think it is respectful to ignore Jesus Christ as he resides in the Tabernacle until the actual Canon (prayer of Consecration.)
My poor little brain cannot see how the altar, when Jesus is not there, is more important than God Himself.

Can you elaborate please? I notice the priest doing this and cannot understand.
Any thoughts would be helpful, even those that don’t show the complete reasoning.
 
The altar is where the Sacrifice takes place.
The Tabernacle holds God Himself!
I do not think it is respectful to ignore Jesus Christ as he resides in the Tabernacle until the actual Canon (prayer of Consecration.)
My poor little brain cannot see how the altar, when Jesus is not there, is more important than God Himself.

Can you elaborate please? I notice the priest doing this and cannot understand.
Any thoughts would be helpful, even those that don’t show the complete reasoning.
It isn’t that the tabernacle is important, it is. But during mass we are concentrating on the sacrificial action of Jesus so that’s where our attention is. When the priest enters the church for mass, he genuflects to the tabernacle if he passes in front of it. Otherwise, he goes directly toward the altar, bows, then goes up to the altar and kisses it.
 
Call your Bishop and demand that he fix this situation.

Or find another parish that has proper reverence for Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, and doesn’t push Him off like He’s in a broom closet.
:mad:

~Liza
It is actually a more ancient practice to have the Blessed Sacrament reserved in a special chapel for adoration and it is altogether proper and preferable to do so and in no way shows any lack of reverence. There’s no reason to call the bishop and the situation doesn’t need fixing.

Up until the time of St. Francis of Assisi this was the custom. In the Franciscan churches, because of the value they placed on poverty and simplicity, they didn’t build a separate adoration chapel but brought the tabernacle into the body of the church. That was an innovation at that time.

Some of us grew up in the days when the tabernacle was built into a massive marble altar and the priest faced toward the altar as did the congregation. When the priest bowed or genuflected toward the altar, he was also facing the tabernacle. This was normal in our experience so it’s logical that moving the tabernacle seemed to some of us that Jesus was being ‘demoted’ or shunted off to the side but this was not the case.

Since many of our parish churches have no separate chapel, the tabernacle was moved to a location in the main body of the church in those churches where mass began to be celebrated with the priest facing the people (which was permitted but not required). This is not improper, although a separate chapel would be preferable. The true sacramental presence of Jesus is always acknowledged by a genuflection except during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, when His action at the altar takes precedence. If we could only have a real appreciation of what is going on during mass, not only the miracle of transubstantiation (which is beyond awesome in itself) but the whole action of Jesus throughout the Mass, we wouldn’t wonder why our attention is focused there.

It’s always good for us Catholics to attempt to understand the reason behind what’s done so that we don’t get upset when there’s no reason to do so, no disrespect intended. I admire someone who gets upset because she thinks Jesus is being slighted. But, in this case, He isn’t.
 
It is actually a more ancient practice to have the Blessed Sacrament reserved in a special chapel for adoration and it is altogether proper and preferable to do so and in no way shows any lack of reverence. There’s no reason to call the bishop and the situation doesn’t need fixing.
If it is causing confusion - it needs fixing.
Up until the time of St. Francis of Assisi this was the custom. In the Franciscan churches, because of the value they placed on poverty and simplicity, they didn’t build a separate adoration chapel but brought the tabernacle into the body of the church. That was an innovation at that time.
This is 2010.
Some of us grew up in the days when the tabernacle was built into a massive marble altar and the priest faced toward the altar as did the congregation.
Some of us still do attend Mass this way, even in the Novus Ordo.
When the priest bowed or genuflected toward the altar, he was also facing the tabernacle. This was normal in our experience so it’s logical that moving the tabernacle seemed to some of us that Jesus was being ‘demoted’ or shunted off to the side but this was not the case.
This was a situation of changing norms in existing architecture. For Churches built since then there are no excuses.
It’s always good for us Catholics to attempt to understand the reason behind what’s done so that we don’t get upset when there’s no reason to do so, no disrespect intended. I admire someone who gets upset because she thinks Jesus is being slighted. But, in this case, He isn’t.
The tabernacle should be visible. In this case the person has no idea where it is until he looks for it. THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE resides there for cryin’ out loud people, isn’t that important enough to WANT to have the tabernacle where you can at least SEE it when you walk in the place??

Yes - I do indeed get very upset, because I think people use a lot of crazy excuses from history to architecture, to Father just doesn’t care, to excuse away the fact that Christ is being shuffled off to the side while we are more concerned with happy clappy hymns, and what color the banners will be this Easter.

If Jesus Christ is not there - It’s just an empty room. Even Protestant places of worship have altars. But they are still empty rooms without Christ.

It really does not need to be so complicated. Put the tabernacle where it can be seen. Problem solved.

~Liza
 
If it is causing confusion - it needs fixing.
I tried to fix the confusion with an explanation.

This is 2010.
No argument there. But that doesn’t give me a right to insist that things be done exactly as they were when I was attending daily mass in the 1950’s if the bishops allow otherwise.

Some of us still do attend Mass this way, even in the Novus Ordo.
And both ways are permitted; both symbolize Jesus as the one who reconciles man to God by means of the sacrifice which is made present for us on that altar.

This was a situation of changing norms in existing architecture. For Churches built since then there are no excuses.
I’m totally with you on that one. In the absence of a separate chapel the tabernacle should be on, behind, or near the main altar.

The tabernacle should be visible. In this case the person has no idea where it is until he looks for it. THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE resides there for cryin’ out loud people, isn’t that important enough to WANT to have the tabernacle where you can at least SEE it when you walk in the place??
Yes, if it’s in the main church you should be able to see it when you enter it. If in the chapel it should be obvious as you enter the chapel. But the OP was talking about a church which has a chapel. Parishioners would be well aware of the location of that chapel; logically, a visitor would ask. I’ve not had a problem asking an usher or parishioner the location of the chapel if I didn’t notice it.
I wish there was room for one in my little parish church so I could go there when everyone is so noisily leaving after mass. I’m truly not happy about that but I kneel there anyway while everybody is milling around me. In the churches I’ve been in that have chapels, I’m thinking in particular of one in Williamsburg, VA, quite a few people go in there to pray immediately following mass and it’s wonderful.
In the large church in Dover, DE where I often attend daily mass the tabernacle is directly behind the main altar and that’s also good.

Yes - I do indeed get very upset, because I think people use a lot of crazy excuses from history to architecture, to Father just doesn’t care, to excuse away the fact that Christ is being shuffled off to the side while we are more concerned with happy clappy hymns, and what color the banners will be this Easter.
Fortunately this hasn’t been my experience. Perhaps I’ve just been very blessed in my parish of 38 years and in almost all those I’ve visited. So we both speak from our experiences and our subjective interpretation of them. My experiences have not been such to make me feel that Jesus has been shuffled off to the side, quite the contrary.

If Jesus Christ is not there - It’s just an empty room. Even Protestant places of worship have altars. But they are still empty rooms without Christ.
You can’t equate the two. Even when empty, a Catholic church is consecrated for the celebration of the liturgy; it’s holy. The Catholic altar is used for sacrifice; a Protestant altar is merely a symbol. And from the first instant of the mass the room is full. Heaven touches earth there, yes even before the consecration.

That’s why I don’t like to see Catholic churches used for other purposes like meetings or concerts. But if it’s necessary because the parish can’t afford a meeting space, then having a small chapel for adoration is much more respectful than having the tabernacle in the church.

It really does not need to be so complicated. Put the tabernacle where it can be seen. Problem solved.
Where you live are there really so many churches where the tabernacle is on a little side altar that can’t be seen from most parts of the church? That’s not what’s called for and not what I’ve seen much at all. I wouldn’t be happy about that.

~Liza
 
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