What do you do when your spouse does not embrace the EF?

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Because of the EF?
Well it was the Anglican-Use which is similar. It wasn’t just because of that. It added to her frustration, whereas if I had tried to be more compromising in where we attended it may have helped the situation.

Although if it was the Latin EF, ya she would’ve reverted earlier. 😦
 
OK, really, I don’t get this. I am not arguing that it is not difficult, but didn’t mothers do this for centuries then? What about St Elizabeth Ann Seton?
Most people didnt used to take very young children to Mass. Before they began first communion prep, young children stayed home with a relative or caregiver. If you read the lives of many saints they talk about when they first began attending Mass regularly at about 5 or even 7 years old.

Even when I was a baby, not that long ago :p, I mostly stayed home with a cousin who was living with us until I was about 3 and the cousin moved back home.
 
I was unaware that there were such similarities as I have never been to a protestant service nor do I actually have any desire to do so.
I spoke to my wife and she felt like both forms of the Mass, OF and EF, are pretty foreign to her Methodist upbringing. She agrees that the OF is more similar, but doesn’t find either to be very similar at all. Of course, different Protestant groups will have different opinions on this (and everything else) but there is one view.
 
Most people didnt used to take very young children to Mass. Before they began first communion prep, young children stayed home with a relative or caregiver. If you read the lives of many saints they talk about when they first began attending Mass regularly at about 5 or even 7 years old.

Even when I was a baby, not that long ago :p, I mostly stayed home with a cousin who was living with us until I was about 3 and the cousin moved back home.
In the 50’s when Mass attendance was still high in the cities and people walked to Church, there would be like 6 or 7 Masses on a given Sunday morning and many family members would attend separately. Nun’s Mass, Early Bird Mass, Children’s Mass, High Mass, Sleep-late Mass, etc. Seems like the cryrooms and bathrooms came later when the number of Masses dropped or the people moved to the suburbs.
 
And with the massive drop in vocations to the priesthood.
Part of that is resistance from families to encourage or accept a son answering the call. Smaller families is part of it. The rise in education levels in general and the opening up of more career paths is a large part too. Becoming a priest is no longer a way to “move up” or ensure a good education.
 
Just practically, it’s hard to go to mass w/the kids if you are learning the mass too. Not only are you learning the mass, but you are struggling to teach it to your kid(s) as well. It’s a lot in your own language, but trying to do it in another language…come on.

Going to mass is so different when I’m not with my son. He’s 5. He’s generally well-behaved, but issues still come up. When he’s with me, my priority isn’t worship. My priority is trying to worship while helping my son get through the mass w/o being too fussy or loud. When he’s not there, I’m able to relax and actually worship. I’m not even to a point where I’d consider going to an EF mass because I’m not ready for that experience, as a recent convert. I can understand why your wife wouldn’t be interested in doing EF at this point.

I know I’d be frustrated trying to follow a mass in a language I didn’t understand while struggling to keep the young kids occupied for a long period of time, while sleep-deprived and beginning a new routine of caring for a 3rd child. It’s just too much - too overwhelming.

I get that you like the EF, but if she’s not in the same place as you spiritually, then you shouldn’t force the EF mass on her.

I also wouldn’t force wife to go to mass because it says in the CCC that women w/infants are exempt from the weekly mass obligation. It’s one thing if the wife wants to go, but if she’s tired from taking care of the kids, let her rest. It’s one thing to love our faith, but you don’t want her to be resentful because your faith is more of a priority than her health/well-being. After all, she isn’t Catholic. She’s not under any obligation to go attend the Mass.

Like someone else said, if mom isn’t happy - nobody’s happy.
I have to agree with everything above. I have 5 young children. Only 2 of them can be consistently counted on to behave in church. I’ve attended the EF Mass a handful of times, usually with some combination of the children. I must admit, I haven’t been very comfortable there. My entire focus is on the kids: making sure they’re not noisy, trying to orient the older one’s attention to the Mass, taking them out if necessary. If I have to take one, I have to take at least 3, as the others can’t be trusted yet to be unsupervised. I don’t know the Mass and can’t follow along in a missal because my hands and mind are occupied with the kids. My husband is different. He has that enviable male ability to tune out everything around him, not notice the one kid picking his nose or the other kid ever-so-quietly taunting his sister, not notice that the toddler is rifling through somebody’s purse or is precariously positioned to fall. The fall, of course, will be accompanied by a large crashing noise and a scream. He can pray. I cannot. Because it is so unfamiliar, I can’t even pray the mass unconsciously.

Normally, we attend a Byzantine rite Divine Liturgy on Sundays. This is the liturgy that I grew up with, so it is deeply a part of me. I don’t need to focus to pray the liturgy, because I’m not learning it. It is still distracting to deal with the kids. I still need to take them in and out sometimes (frequently), but I know the flow of the liturgy. I know when a little bit of noise will be distracting or terribly inappropriate, and I know when it won’t. There are no periods of silence in the Divine Liturgy, so normal baby sounds won’t disrupt somebody’s quiet prayer. Even with that, though, I’m still not focused. I’m engaged in teaching the children. Often, I’ll realize that I have no idea which reading I’ve just heard.

I agree with much of the advice that has been given. Meet your wife where she is and understand her concerns. Go to the EF Mass on your own occasionally, and be grateful that your non-Catholic wife is willing to go to church as a family at the OF. Maybe it will be different when your kids are older.
 
Hello, may I suggest something? 🙂 Perhaps you can continue to go to your EF parish while your wife goes to her OF parish. You should ask your children if they prefer the EF or the OF. They can choose between going with you or your wife. God bless. :highprayer:

P.S. I’m also a huge fan of the Extraordinary Form. 👍
 
Hello, may I suggest something? 🙂 Perhaps you can continue to go to your EF parish while your wife goes to her OF parish. You should ask your children if they prefer the EF or the OF. They can choose between going with you or your wife. God bless. :highprayer:

P.S. I’m also a huge fan of the Extraordinary Form. 👍
:rolleyes:

Come on. Really?

I get that you like the EF, but are you really recommending that the family split up?
 
:rolleyes:

Come on. Really?

I get that you like the EF, but are you really recommending that the family split up?
No, absolutely not. Family is precious in God’s eyes. If you want to go to the same church, you should ask your children whether they prefer the EF or the OF. That way, neither one of you have to decide. God bless. 🙂
 
At this point, perhaps you could compromise and alternative on a weekly basis?

Ultimately you are the spiritual head of your household, but in your shoes I would be wary of discouraging my wife from converting, as that’s got to be priority #1. After she’s a Catholic, she may be more open to experiencing the fullness of the Church’s liturgy.

I suggest you pray, talk together, and if you keep going to the TLM even occasionally, get a good 1962 missal so you can both learn it better.

God bless.
👍 It might also help, given concerns about being able to focus on the Mass with children, if you watched the E.F.Mass at home online when the kids are asleep so she could get to know it without interruptions. And, when you begin assisting at the Mass, it might be a wonderful support for you to commit to taking the children outside as necessary, so that she might have that much greater opportunity to deepen her faith through uninterrupted assistance at Mass.👍
 
Hi Everyone,

I’ve recently taken the wife and kids down to a local EF Mass for the last 3 weeks as a way of exploring the liturgy more fully. I have become a big fan of the EF and would like to continue to go to this parish, however the wife is not such a big fan and would like to return to our old OF parish or find a new parish altogether. I’m not sure if I should push the EF or not. Any suggestions? On a side note, I’m a recent convert (confirmed last Easter) and the wife is not a Catholic (although she is well on her way). Thanks in advance.
I would think that pushing ANYTHING on your wife would be very inappropriate. I prefer the Novus Ordo, but I have been to EF Masses, and love them, too. But if someone tried to push that on me I’d be very offended as I don’t think anyone has the right to control me. Even God does not try to control us-He gave us free will and respects it. How can we do less?
 
If your wife is still only thinking about converting, I would continue to attend an OF Mass. I think it is more recognizable and accessible to a Protestant. I think she is more likely to convert if she is attending OF with you. I also think kids generally do better at an OF Mass (but this could be debatable if EF is all they’ve ever known).
Hi Everyone,

I’ve recently taken the wife and kids down to a local EF Mass for the last 3 weeks as a way of exploring the liturgy more fully. I have become a big fan of the EF and would like to continue to go to this parish, however the wife is not such a big fan and would like to return to our old OF parish or find a new parish altogether. I’m not sure if I should push the EF or not. Any suggestions? On a side note, I’m a recent convert (confirmed last Easter) and the wife is not a Catholic (although she is well on her way). Thanks in advance.
 
OK, really, I don’t get this. I am not arguing that it is not difficult, but didn’t mothers do this for centuries then? What about St Elizabeth Ann Seton?
More people attended Mass then, and prior to the age of contraception, there were a lot of big families with babies crying. I think EF can be uncomfortable now because it can sometimes feel like the older folk Mass and young families can feel uncomfortable if a young child is crying. This of course depends on the particular church in the area.
 
More people attended Mass then, and prior to the age of contraception, there were a lot of big families with babies crying. I think EF can be uncomfortable now because it can sometimes feel like the older folk Mass and young families can feel uncomfortable if a young child is crying. This of course depends on the particular church in the area.
That’s not my experience at the EF Mass. Where I attend it is mostly younger people and young families with lots of babies - not many old people. There’s always one of them crying. The priests don’t seem to mind. They say it’s the future of the Church, so how could they mind the crying.
 
OK, really, I don’t get this. I am not arguing that it is not difficult, but didn’t mothers do this for centuries then? What about St Elizabeth Ann Seton?
For my parents, who took all of us to Mass regardless of age, it may have seemed like centuries.😃 They took shifts walking a baby who needed walking.👍
I think some posters are trying to provide maximum support to the wife to better support her conversion process. A few sacrifices by her husband now, may well support her faith in the years to come and her soul in eternity.
May God bless them both. Amen.
 
That’s not my experience at the EF Mass. Where I attend it is mostly younger people and young families with lots of babies - not many old people. There’s always one of them crying. The priests don’t seem to mind. They say it’s the future of the Church, so how could they mind the crying.
That’s the experience I’ve had as well. Most people in the congregation are in their 30’s or 20’s, many with several children in tow. We have a good amount of those who look old enough to remember Mass in 1962 and very few in between. Seeing so many people around my age is another reason I prefer the EF parish.
 
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