What do you guys believe about getting into Heaven?

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I’ve heard some Protestants say that the only requirement of getting into Heaven is to believe in Jesus and God and accept them as your saviour, and that your actions don’t really mean too much as long as, at the end of the day, you repent. Do Catholics believe the same thing, or is it harder to be forgiven for sins you’ve committed? I’ve heard that you guys take people’s actions a lot more seriously.
 
I’ve heard some Protestants say that the only requirement of getting into Heaven is to believe in Jesus and God and accept them as your saviour, and that your actions don’t really mean too much as long as, at the end of the day, you repent. Do Catholics believe the same thing, or is it harder to be forgiven for sins you’ve committed? I’ve heard that you guys take people’s actions a lot more seriously.
Huge topic. Here’s a link if you want to learn what the Church teaches: It’s hard to summarize in a paragraph.

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a2.htm
 
I’ve heard some Protestants say that the only requirement of getting into Heaven is to believe in Jesus and God and accept them as your saviour, and that your actions don’t really mean too much as long as, at the end of the day, you repent. Do Catholics believe the same thing, or is it harder to be forgiven for sins you’ve committed? I’ve heard that you guys take people’s actions a lot more seriously.
Very reductive:

To get into Heaven, one must be baptized and free of mortal sin.

Since babies cannot sin mortally, baptism suffices to bring them to Heaven should they die.

For adults, purity of mortal sin normatively requires either total innocence of mortal sin or recourse to the sacrament of Confession, or at the very least perfect contrition (sorrow for one’s sins simply for the sake of having offended God) paired with a resolve to confess at the next opportunity.

The Protestant attitude denies the necessity of externalization of one’s actions. This has always struck me as weird, rather like saying that I don’t need to shake your hand or help you out when you’re in trouble or answer your phone calls because, hey, we’re already friends.

Why do you ask?
 
One must also make up for all one’s sins and be free of defects and imperfections before they can get into heaven. Assuming they died in the state of grace, they must go to Purgatory first to be purged of these things.
 
Here’s hoping no one wheels out the old St Leonard of Port Maurice sermon. He ain’t ready for they yet:eek:
 
Here’s hoping no one wheels out the old St Leonard of Port Maurice sermon. He ain’t ready for they yet:eek:
Normally, that’s me!

OP, some time ago St.Leonard of Port Maurice gave a sermon on the topic of how many are saved and how many damned. He concluded very, very few are saved. This, he reasoned, is because so few avail themselves validly of confession, because so few are genuinely penitent.

So it’s “simple” to get into Heaven, it’s just not “easy.”
 
You had to go and do it. :rolleyes: The zeal of a new convert… Keep up the zeal 👍
 
Why do you ask?
Well, because I was watching a video aimed at atheists debunking the idea that evolution inspired the holocaust, and Martin Luther was mentioned, at which point I realised that I didn’t actually know the difference between what you and Protestants believe when it comes to entering Heaven.

So, basically, out of curiousity. 🤷
 
CCC 1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."62 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
Also see:

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2005/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20051130_en.html
 
What do I believe about getting into heaven?
That it’s easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle. 🤷
But it is SO worth working for. 🙂
 
I’ve heard some Protestants say that the only requirement of getting into Heaven is to believe in Jesus and God and accept them as your saviour, and that your actions don’t really mean too much as long as, at the end of the day, you repent. Do Catholics believe the same thing, or is it harder to be forgiven for sins you’ve committed? I’ve heard that you guys take people’s actions a lot more seriously.
Hi Regular Atheist,

Catholic teachings are not the same extent as those of our separated brethren.

Faith and works go hand in hand. You cannot have one without the other, as the book of James teaches. Faith (belief in God) without works is “dead”. Even demons believe in God yet they are not allowed into God’s heavenly presence. Jesus tells us in** Matthew 7**:

20 Thus you will know them by their fruits. 21 "Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’

To enter heaven, we are told we must be baptized: “Born again”. However, there will be many in heaven who were never baptized with water. There are the Old Testament Saints, people of other religions, who had not had the privilege of learning about Jesus and therefore being baptized with holy water and holy chrism oil.

The Catholic faith teaches that there is:

Baptism by desire. Those who desire union with God and do the will of our Lord, yet did not have the chance for water baptism.

Baptism by blood: The martyrs who died for their belief in Jesus rather than denounce the Lord to save their corporeal bodies.

Baptism by water: The sacrament of baptism. This must be a valid baptism with belief in the Triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God. Not three separate “gods” as some psuedo-christian cults teach.

We never judge who is going to heaven or who is going to hell. That is only Jesus who judges at the time of our death, for even upon our death bed, should there be a true repentence, God forgives. We have that example from the “thief on the cross” whom Jesus forgave and promised the thief that he would be in paradise with Jesus.

But saying you’re sorry and truly being sorry are two very different things, and people might fool mortals, however, it is God who knows the heart of every person.

Blessings,
CEM
 
Not quite the Catholic teachings, I personally believe in the unfortunate possibility of the reincarnation process with a long way to go to get into heaven.

God is a good God,- and even if one is in hell it could only be for that individuals betterment in the long run.

I do not believe we are in hell now but as it is God has already put us all in a hellish situation with lessons to learn.
 
Catholics believe we get into heaven by accepting God’s freely-given invitation to be with him forever. This acceptance is not just a one-time thing, but it is the way we live our lives. But since God’s mercy abounds, he always continues to hold out his invitation, even if we reject it over and over (read the poem “The Hound of Heaven”).

God has revealed to and through his Church the normative way to gain salvation (that is, heaven). This involves being baptized (entering into a covenant with Him) and dying in a state of grace (dying in a state where we have accepted his invitation). But since God desires all to be saved, we hold out hope that he offers his invitation in other ways to those who do not follow the normative path. We can do no more than hold out hope, because God has not chosen to reveal to us the fates of such people.

There is a saying, “the road to heaven is heaven.” I have found this to be very true. It means that we become sanctified, closer to God and more like God, as we strive to follow his will in preference to his own.

All those in heaven have chosen to be with God, and all those in hell have chosen to be apart from God. This means, believe it or not, that they will be “happier” in hell than they would be in heaven, and God grants them their wish.
 
Huge topic. Here’s a link if you want to learn what the Church teaches: It’s hard to summarize in a paragraph.

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a2.htm
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I concur. What the Church teaches is something sort of kind of similar to the Protestant teaching you mentioned but not really.

Does that clear it up? 😉

In any case, I agree with clem and I do think you should just read up on it. There’s only so much random internet forum posters can teach you.
 
I’ve heard some Protestants say that the only requirement of getting into Heaven is to believe in Jesus and God and accept them as your saviour, and that your actions don’t really mean too much as long as, at the end of the day, you repent. Do Catholics believe the same thing, or is it harder to be forgiven for sins you’ve committed? I’ve heard that you guys take people’s actions a lot more seriously.
Catholics believe we must be* just*-meaning we must be sinless, meaning we must simply be who God intends us to be, which is summed up by the greatest commandments, to love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength and our neighbor as ourselves. Ultimately loving this way can be said to be heaven-to know the Highest Good-beyond which there is nothing greater, to have all that satisfies one’s deepest longings. In any case this is our justification, what makes us authentically right in God’s eyes-and it’s only achievable by our cooperating with His help/grace.
 
glad Baptism of Desire has been mentioned, atheists can get into Heaven too you know.
 
I’ve heard some Protestants say that the only requirement of getting into Heaven is to believe in Jesus and God and accept them as your saviour, and that your actions don’t really mean too much as long as, at the end of the day, you repent. Do Catholics believe the same thing, or is it harder to be forgiven for sins you’ve committed? I’ve heard that you guys take people’s actions a lot more seriously.
Excellent question, my friend!
If the post is referring to the Physical Heaven, where the physically resurrected body of Jesus is, I believe one must be perfect at living in unity with the Jesus’ Greatest Commandments, which I personally interpret as: Always freely being and spreading the means to freely be perfectly patient, kind, and motivated with all the body, spirit, thoughts, and will equally towards others and the self for the experience of greater happiness with an unbreakable peace.

Thoughts?
 
What do you guys believe about getting into Heaven?

“Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.” – Matthew 7:21

To say you truly believe in Christ you must do the will of the Father. There are many who profess their belief in Christ who do not do the will of the Father, and those people are in for an awakening on the day of judgement. This applies double for us Catholics since we should know better.
 
I’ve heard some Protestants say that the only requirement of getting into Heaven is to believe in Jesus and God and accept them as your saviour, and that your actions don’t really mean too much as long as, at the end of the day, you repent.
This is called “Sola Fide” in latin, by Catholics… or “faith alone” – it is a fairly late interpretation of the bible, originating 1,520 or so years after Christianity started.

You are correct in that Catholicism never, from the start, taught Sola Fide. It is considered a heresy or a corruption for a Catholic to spread this, because it is NOT what the original Apostles taught to the early Christians and what the 1st and 2nd century Church forefathers taught others.

Sola Fide is an oversimplification. It is a reductionist view, trying to find the BARE MINIMUM that is asked of us. That is why Catholicism doesn’t like it.
Do Catholics believe the same thing, or is it harder to be forgiven for sins you’ve committed? I’ve heard that you guys take people’s actions a lot more seriously.
You are correct that Catholics take people’s actions MUCH more seriously then non-Catholic Christians, aka Protestants. (FYI… the term “protestant” can be offensive to non-Catholic Christians, as it is a Catholic-centric word which means they are in Protest to Catholicism… so Catholics are OK with it as a term to incorporate all the thousands of non-Catholic Christian denominations, but non-Catholics just prefer “Christian” – however Catholics feel this treats Catholicism as a non-Christian religion. )

Anyways…
Sola Fide, if taken TOO literally and as it is typically expressed… can lead a person to potentially do as they please, while maintaining that they “believe in Christ” and are therefore “saved” - It can treat salvation as a 1 time event and many non-Catholics will even ask each other “WHEN were you saved?” It therefore tries too hard to reduce things to their bare miniumum. To a Catholic… it also seems to divorce our soul, intellect, and our ACTIONS from each other. Treating what we believe and what we DO as 2 completely separate things.

Can we truly say that we know where the separation between our intellect, our soul, and what we do EXISTS? – Can you truly point to a sequence of events and say “this is where the soul was involved, but this… over here… this was where the body took over and the soul was not involved” ?? – NO we can’t. So saying we only have to believe seems at the very least… naive, and at the most… wrong.

NOW… to be fair… the Catholic “Faith AND Works” view can potentially have the opposite affect. To create Catholics who don’t TRULY follow the faith, but delude themselves into thinking that they are going through the right motions and are therefore “right with God” even when their actions and attitude tell a different story.
But as a Catholic… I still think the Catholic view is better, because it teaches BOTH, not one or the other. IF it taught “work alone” then it could be said to be as deficient as the Protestant view. - But since doesn’t differentiate between faith and works and sees BOTH as essential to salvation…then I believe it is actually more Humanistic and true.

I think one of the areas where an Atheist and a Catholic can agree on… is that what we feel and think influences what we do. What we do… in turn, influences what we think and feel.
This is a humanistic view and gives us a much more realistic view of humanity then “Sola Fide” (in other words, we are just dis-embodied souls, floating around)

Therefore… Atheists and Catholics should agree that what we DO with the lives that God gave us (if he exists…in the case of Atheism and Agnosticism) should be of the UPMOST importance. - not just WHAT we believe. - alone.
That a God that ONLY cares about what you ‘believe’ apart from what you DO… isn’t very just or fair at all. (why give us bodies then…why not JUST souls?)

MOST of the objections I hear from Atheists about a good atheist going to hell SIMPLY because he doesn’t believe… only applies to a certain subset of non-Catholic Christians but really is ineffective in arguing against Catholicism.

So Catholics VERY MUCH believe that what we DO and what we BELIEVE are intrinsically linked… at least while here on Earth.

Paul says in the bible that those who do not believe will be judged by how well they followed the commands of God. Their actions can as easily condemn them.
This is why the Catholic church holds out HOPE that non-Christians may be able to get to heaven and how Catholics reconcile scenarios where a person may not have heard the gospel or understand Christianity at all.

Other Christian sects do not always have this same view because to THEM… it is all about 'faith" and if you don’t have that… you are dammed.

I think Atheists can find more reason and logic in Catholicism then other Christian sects. At least that seems to be the case in my conversations with Atheists.

Lastly… remember… of the 2 billion or so Christians in the world… about 1.1billion or just over half are Catholic. So really… the ‘majority’ of “Christians” DON’T believe in “Sola Fide” it just seems like that in the U.S. which is a predominantly Protestant country.
 
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