What do you miss most as an ex-Evangelical?

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Answer: Trying to make up for 1,500 plus years of divided faith for the rest of your life. šŸ™‚

I almost hesitate to make any replies for fear that our replies are going to be used as a marketing campaign to convert Spaniards?

The people in Spain are very liberal yes and may need evangelizing as well as most of Europe but I rather see it come from within the Catholic faith. Insofar as much our European brothers may have strayed from Christianity, they are ancestors of the fathers that first brought the faith to this side of the pond.

What are your motives, if I may ask?
 
Answer: Trying to make up for 1,500 plus years of divided faith for the rest of your life. šŸ™‚

I almost hesitate to make any replies for fear that our replies are going to be used as a marketing campaign to convert Spaniards?

The people in Spain are very liberal yes and may need evangelizing as well as most of Europe but I rather see it come from within the Catholic faith. Insofar as much our European brothers may have strayed from Christianity, they are ancestors of the fathers that first brought the faith to this side of the pond.

What are your motives, if I may ask?
I shall be posting all these responses on a grand billboard in the Plaza de Colón in Madrid…

Actually, my very practicing RC wife would probably not appreciate that. I just wondered, since I already admitted that many of my friends who have left the RC denomination for Evangelical churches express that they miss some things.

Actually, the combination of what ex-Evangelicals and ex-Catholics miss about their former churches gives an interesting idea for how church should be in the future. Maybe the ā€œEmerging Churchā€ in the US is a response to this, i.e. the Ancient/Modern mix.

But don’t worry, I am not a ā€œsheep stealerā€ since I am already in bed (literally) with the other side.
 
Well, I never ACTUALLY got off the boat on the wrong side of the Tiber, but I sure got as far as the shoreline!

Of course, I miss the singing. Not necessarily the songs, but the fact that you could sing with gusto and not feel like a dope because those around you were actually singing too!

I wouldn’t be surprised if a full 1/4 to 1/3 of US evangelicals are ex-catholics. It was over HALF in the college group I belonged to (Navigators).

But evangelicals need to look closer to see why their apparent success isn’t really so great. The model of the typical evangelical church works like this:
  1. Fervent preacher ā€˜plants’ a new church and draws the attention of a small group of existing believers that depart other existing protestant churches to join this new one (usually churches that are NOT doing so great).
  2. This core group gets excited and works hard to spread the faith, evangelizing their friends and acquitances. Many to most of the first new converts are people who had moderate interest in God and spirituality before, but didn’t experience anything moving at the church they went to (often catholic).
  3. The conversions make the place seem even MORE annointed and the conversion rate grows, even attracting quite a few people who had previously been turned off by religion based on seeing the changes in neighbors or family members.
This is all very good, but it has a FATAL flaw. That flaw is that the success is largely based on enthusiasm. The young church has ONLY members who are ā€˜on fire’, none that were born and raised there. What this means is that the new ā€˜church’ has effectively drawn all those who were close to conversion OUT of many of the local presbyterian, methodist, baptist, episcopalian, congregational and catholic parishes. In effect, the new church merely concentrates and isolates these new believers away from everybody else and sows the seeds of its own destruction. Once a generation has gone by and kids are growing up in the new church, many of them are only nominally interested instead of being on fire like their parents. Everybody that all the convert members knew BEFORE their conversion has either joined the new church or determined that they are not interested. The new convert rate plummets, the next generation has a cooling of zeal (as do many of the converts after a decade or so) and ALL of them lack the steady flow of Grace God intended all his people to receive in the sacraments which sustain us for the long haul. Meanwhile all those other churches are DEVASTATED by the fact that so many of those who slowly were coming along in the process of conversion had walked out, leaving (in many cases) only the pew sitters remaining. Those that otherwise would have eventually picked up the reins and provided faithful ministry and evangelization are gone. The reins are instead picked up by somebody NOT so converted (And protestants wonder why the mainline denominations have gone so loony leftist in recent decades).

Thus, in the long run, this new church becomes just another nominal protestant parish in town, but along the way greatly diminished the effectiveness of 5 or 6 OTHER churches in the process. It all seems very nice to the gathering of believers in the new church for a while. But it is really a ā€˜run away and hide from the world’ strategy that has resulted in an EXPLOSION of denominations, further divided christianity and squandered the light of christ in a gluttony of self indugence instead of salting the entire community as Jesus intended.

As you can see, I’m not a big fan. I live just a few miles from Willow Creek Church in Barrington, IL, which is one of the original evangelical megachurches. It is the basis for much of my post-college observations.
 
Manualman,

This is what I have observed as well. Willow Creek and its spawn are extremely shallow to begin with. With succeeding generations of evangelicals the shallowness becomes ever more profound as they move further and further away from the grace Christ gives through the Church. I pray for them all.

CDL
 
By the way, these observations of mine call into question the philosophy of ā€œthrow all those bum cafeteria catholics outā€ that is getting popular in gathering places of faithful catholicism like this one. It sure is tempting to try to purge the dead weight and have nice concentrated parishes of firm believing catholics. But that is just self indulgence and reduces our effect on the world.

We should instead be thankful that we have such a vast and ready harvest waiting out there to be evangelized. Heck, they come to US on Sundays. How much easier can it get!?! What we need to do is pray for our priests and volunteer in parish ministries. BE the joyful voice of the good news in its fullness and untainted by relativism or dissent. Start bible studies and prayer groups. Volunteer to do RCIA. Volunteer to do marriage preparation the right way. Instead of consolidating, lets have the faith that the Holy Spirit can inflame ALL of our parishes.
 
Well honestly (and to my surprise) I miss the music. Not modern praise which while I don’t have a problem with I usually find lacking meat (for my on tastes). But we actually sang much more high church music in my old Baptist Church than in my parish which tends towards an almost ā€œfolkishā€ sound.

I was surprised by this as I had thought that the RCC would have all the great old music (as much of it originated there). The last good music I heard in an Catholic parish was at an Eastern Rite church. When they were done with mass I was ready to defend Constantinople from the Turks!!! RAWR!

Seriously though I do miss the music but it seems I’ve been blest at my parish in other ways. While very large we are close and have good fellowship. Our priest is a great guy and so are our deacons. There is also a good level of activity and active adult formation classes.

I’m glad you’ve asked about this though because it’s caused me to realize that really if music is my only complaint about church I’m doing really well šŸ™‚
 
I miss the music, not so much the praise songs, but the classic hymns, many of which are not appropriate to Catholic Mass. I miss the fact that almost everyone sings at Church. I miss the structured Bible study, although that was always hit or miss.

I miss the Bible study too, and the fellowship (being Catholic can be very solitary), and just about everything else you mention: except that this ex-Anglican can think of no hymns used in the C of E which cannot also be used in the C of R; and by hymns is meant hymns that scan, have a theological or doctrinal content, and are not written by semi-literate scribblers, like so much of the junk that passes for hymns these days. ā€œGod of mercy, God of graceā€ is a hymn, & a very fine & memorable one, just like many other hymns by the Wesleys; ā€œThe Lord is my pace-setterā€, OTOH, which I first found in a Catholic hymnal, was in all likelihood thrown together by an illiterate baboon with a hangover.​

 
Singing out with ghusto and southern gospel quartet music - yup, I miss it.

When so many post about lack of fellowship or study, it seems we have been blessed to live in the places where we have lived since conversion, there are more fellowship, service and study opportunities in our Parishes than there is time - no family could be involved in half the things going on! This is the case we have found in both teeny small and huge Parishes. The only place we lived where this was not the case was in Virginia, but, I found people in general to be less ā€œfriendlyā€ and the parishes to be far more non-orthodox there…

As the daughter of a full time evangelical evangelist, grandaughter of an evangelical minister, my adult conversion to the RCC was where I realized the fullness of Faith. I could never leave this home.
 

ā€œThe Lord is my pace-setterā€, OTOH, which I first found in a Catholic hymnal, was in all likelihood thrown together by an illiterate baboon with a hangover.​

Man! That almost makes me want to hear the thing.
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The thing I miss, to a certain extent, is the zeal for souls. Now, when I was a member of the Assemblies of God, we carried this waaaaaaaaaaaay too far! No one was considered ā€œsavedā€ and a Christian who didn’t know how to reply to our questions about their ā€œpersonal relationship with Christ.ā€ But, OTOH, many Catholics seem to have no knowledge or interest in helping others come to know Christ. Far too many have the attitude of ā€œto each his own,ā€ as if that dismissed any responsibility on their part of helping others come to Christ and his Church. I believe it’s because they misunderstand the Church’s stance on the concept that those of other faiths may be saved. They think the Church ā€œchanged its teachingā€ (which it hasn’t) or that it excuses them from enacting the 7 spiritual works of mercy, one of which is evangelization/apologetics (teaching the ignorant).

About the Marian teachings. The best way to understand them is not to think of them as standing on their own, which they don’t, but as witnesses to the various aspects of the life, ministry, and promises of Christ. For truly, without Christ Mary is nothing, as are we all. If you approach the Marian teachings with that in mind, they make much more sense.

And devotion to Mary is a thing of the heart. If some people seem carried away to you, it may be your colder perception of Mary’s titles and attributes that are, all unwittingly, coloring how you think of them. That is not to say that some don’t get carried away, but it is better not to assess others’ devotions but rather only what helps us in our own spiritual life. šŸ˜‰
 
Gottle,

ā€œThe Lord is my pace-setterā€, OTOH, which I first found in a Catholic hymnal, was in all likelihood thrown together by an illiterate baboon with a hangover.

They don’t sing this kind of stuff at our Eastern Catholic parish but I have noticed that much of what passes for hymnody in many RC Churches reminds me of exactly what you describe. Thanks for putting this exacting analysis to words.

CDL
 
I miss a williness for people to TALK about their faith & relationship with Jesus. I’ve socialized with Catholics but rarely does the conversation ever get into anything spiritual(present company excluded of course šŸ˜‰ ) Plus it is REALLY hard to make friends at my parish beyond a ā€œhello.ā€ For some reason, Evangelicals are MUCH more social & don’t bolt out the door in the middle of the last song.
 
i miss the sunday school classes. i feel that if my children are to have religious instruction, i am forced for them to be in the parish school, which i cannot afford. 😦 it litterally falls squarely upon my shoulders for their instruction, which i do not feel i can do sufficiently. kinda like the idea of ā€˜it takes a village’, KWIM?

and as many have stated already, i miss the comraderie- there is very little social interaction at our parish- but maybe that is b/c i am new there and havent met enough people.

melissaP
 
i miss the sunday school classes. i feel that if my children are to have religious instruction, i am forced for them to be in the parish school, which i cannot afford. 😦 it litterally falls squarely upon my shoulders for their instruction, which i do not feel i can do sufficiently. kinda like the idea of ā€˜it takes a village’, KWIM?

and as many have stated already, i miss the comraderie- there is very little social interaction at our parish- but maybe that is b/c i am new there and havent met enough people.

melissaP
Never did understand the Catholic aversion to Sunday School.
 
Never did understand the Catholic aversion to Sunday School.
LOL I never understood the Protestant affinity for Sunday School. Here is my rationale.

The commandmnet is ā€œkeep Holy the Lord’s Dayā€ and not ā€œlisten to an entertaining sermon and study about Godā€.

As a Cradle Catholic, Sunday is about Mass- worship. After Mass, Sunday is about family. The kids are with their friends and learn all week. Some Sundays, we’d just be our immediate family and others share it with extended family. Catechesis is great in mid-week as it reminds them that all day’s are to be spent pursuing God and not just Sunday.
 
I don’t miss anything:)
I should have thought about this a little more. No matter what happens, when any major change happens you’re bound to lose or miss something. That being said, since I’m somewhat of a solitary type (meaning I’m not a huggy, hand holding, touchy feely type of person) I enjoy not having people touching me, except the holding hands during the Our Father, I don’t enjoy that part although it’s a relatively minor thing.

I do wish there was something for the kids on Sundays though. I guess that would be the only thing.
 
Never did understand the Catholic aversion to Sunday School.
In many Catholic parishes the kids go out of Mass just before the Gospel and the homily so that they can be instructed in the Bible readings of the day at their own level (they come back in for the celebration of the Eucharist, though). Other than that, there is CCD and other programs, even Vacation Bible School, modeled on our Evangelical brethren’s pattern of having something spiritual for the kids during the summer. šŸ‘
 
I do wish there was something for the kids on Sundays though. I guess that would be the only thing.
I went to CCD classes as a child. I can tell you I would have liked them a whole lot more if they were held on Sundays. After getting out of school on Monday, and having to go for more school, I wasn’t too thrilled. Plus the fact that other than my second grade (First Confession and First Communion) and eighth grade (Confirmation), the classes were 1 1/2 hrs. of busy time where I didn’t learn a thing.
 
You have people in Church on Sunday; don’t let them go without providing them with Christian education. Believe me, this is one of those non-doctrinal things that the Catholic Church could adopt to its benefit from the Protestant tradition.
 
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