What do you think of Catholic women wearing the Islamic headscarf?

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Did some women in France begin wearing the hijab in public as civil disobedience to the recent French law? Were at least some of them Catholic women expressing social justice?

I have a vague recollection of hearing something like this on NPR while I was driving. I remember being impressed as the typical publicly expressed sentiment for Islam by Christians seems to be “burn it with fire”.
 
Hello,

I’ve read some blogs by Catholic (and Orthodox, Protestant, pagan, etc) women who’ve decided to wear a headscarf in the Islamic hijab style (which covers all the hair, the ears, and the neck) for various reasons. I’ve been curious about what sort of reactions the Catholic hijabis (hijab-wearers) have gotten from the Catholic community, particularly at Mass. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to contact them.

What would you think of a lay Catholic woman who wore the hijab? What do you think your reaction would be? If you saw a woman wearing a hijab and a crucifix necklace, would you think that she was Catholic, or Orthodox, or just a Muslim wearing a crucifix?

Thanks,
Christine
Some older women like my nan will wear a mantilla to Mass, not necessarily a hijab. She would not be caught dead without her hair covered at Mass and if her female relatives attend Mass with her, she insists we wear one as well. This is a very old tradition. Many of the older Italian, Polish and Spanish ladies at my church wear them.

Women also wear mantillas when meeting the Pope.

Mantillas, which comes from the word manta, meaning cape, are typically circular or triangular shaped pieces of black or white lace that are draped over a woman’s head when attending Mass, or in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. Traditionally, the black veils were worn by married or widowed women, while the white veils were worn by young girls, or unmarried women.

Throughout the centuries, the use of the mantilla by women has had many purposes. The wearing of the Mantilla is an act of veiling a woman’s physical beauty, so that the beauty of God may be glorified instead. It is also a way of emulating, Mary, our mother, who is the archetype of purity and humility. Moreover, the mantilla, or chapel veil, signifies the role of women as a life-bearing vessel. The chalice holding the blood of Christ is veiled until the Preparation of the Gifts, and the tabernacle veiled between Masses. Both of these vessels hold the Eucharist – the very life of Christ. In a similar fashion, woman was endowed with the gift of bearing human life.

Before the Second Vatican Council, the wearing of chapel veils was required for a woman when attending Mass, as a symbol of her modesty and humility before God. Although this practice is no longer required, it is still very much supported and encouraged by the Church as a sign of reverence and piety while in the presence of God.

Check out the mantilla catalogue below. The Spanish women wear some really elaborate ones during Holy week.

rosamysticamantilla.com/the-antonietta-veil.php
 
Some older women like my nan will wear a mantilla to Mass, not necessarily a hijab. She would not be caught dead without her hair covered at Mass and if her female relatives attend Mass with her, she insists we wear one as well. This is a very old tradition. Many of the older Italian, Polish and Spanish ladies at my church wear them.

Women also wear mantillas when meeting the Pope.

Mantillas, which comes from the word manta, meaning cape, are typically circular or triangular shaped pieces of black or white lace that are draped over a woman’s head when attending Mass, or in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. Traditionally, the black veils were worn by married or widowed women, while the white veils were worn by young girls, or unmarried women.

Throughout the centuries, the use of the mantilla by women has had many purposes. The wearing of the Mantilla is an act of veiling a woman’s physical beauty, so that the beauty of God may be glorified instead. It is also a way of emulating, Mary, our mother, who is the archetype of purity and humility. Moreover, the mantilla, or chapel veil, signifies the role of women as a life-bearing vessel. The chalice holding the blood of Christ is veiled until the Preparation of the Gifts, and the tabernacle veiled between Masses. Both of these vessels hold the Eucharist – the very life of Christ. In a similar fashion, woman was endowed with the gift of bearing human life.

Before the Second Vatican Council, the wearing of chapel veils was required for a woman when attending Mass, as a symbol of her modesty and humility before God. Although this practice is no longer required, it is still very much supported and encouraged by the Church as a sign of reverence and piety while in the presence of God.

Check out the mantilla catalogue below. The Spanish women wear some really elaborate ones during Holy week.

rosamysticamantilla.com/the-antonietta-veil.php
Thank you this information is a lovely tribute to this practice. I have seen women wearing a mantilla at a very traditional Latin Rite parish that I attended for a ceremony last summer. Also at the Polish Catholic church in our city, the older women ALWAYS wear a scarf. It’s not fancy at all but covers the head and is tied under the chin. My DH’s Italian mom never entered a church without her head covered…she had a hankie handy for emergencies!

Lisa
 
Some older women like my nan will wear a mantilla to Mass, not necessarily a hijab. She would not be caught dead without her hair covered at Mass and if her female relatives attend Mass with her, she insists we wear one as well. This is a very old tradition. Many of the older Italian, Polish and Spanish ladies at my church wear them.

Women also wear mantillas when meeting the Pope.

Mantillas, which comes from the word manta, meaning cape, are typically circular or triangular shaped pieces of black or white lace that are draped over a woman’s head when attending Mass, or in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. Traditionally, the black veils were worn by married or widowed women, while the white veils were worn by young girls, or unmarried women.

Throughout the centuries, the use of the mantilla by women has had many purposes. The wearing of the Mantilla is an act of veiling a woman’s physical beauty, so that the beauty of God may be glorified instead. It is also a way of emulating, Mary, our mother, who is the archetype of purity and humility. Moreover, the mantilla, or chapel veil, signifies the role of women as a life-bearing vessel. The chalice holding the blood of Christ is veiled until the Preparation of the Gifts, and the tabernacle veiled between Masses. Both of these vessels hold the Eucharist – the very life of Christ. In a similar fashion, woman was endowed with the gift of bearing human life.

Before the Second Vatican Council, the wearing of chapel veils was required for a woman when attending Mass, as a symbol of her modesty and humility before God. Although this practice is no longer required, it is still very much supported and encouraged by the Church as a sign of reverence and piety while in the presence of God.

Check out the mantilla catalogue below. The Spanish women wear some really elaborate ones during Holy week.

rosamysticamantilla.com/the-antonietta-veil.php
For clarity VII does not say anything about women wearing a veil as far as I know there is no council that addresses this issue. And just to point out, many here are talking about women wearing a veil at all times like Muslim women do, not just at Mass.
 
Hi Lisa,

I have practical question for you. If you don’t know the answer, no problem but I really hope you or someone on here does know 🙂

***How do we keep on an opaque headcovering on as Mary is dipicted as having - wear some of her hair shows and her neck is unveiled?

I honestly have tried to figure it out, but especially with holding a squiggly toddler at Mass I’ve not been successful thus far. ***
Say one of the later posts had a link to a website called RoseMysticaMantilla that has some beautiful “Chapel Veils” as they are called. And I think they have a solution for your problem! Some of the veils have a built in clip or comb to hold the veil in place. They are very beautiful as well. I recall seeing those girls at Mass all wearing veils and they didn’t move! Must have bought the ones with the clips.

Lisa
 
Say one of the later posts had a link to a website called RoseMysticaMantilla that has some beautiful “Chapel Veils” as they are called. And I think they have a solution for your problem! Some of the veils have a built in clip or comb to hold the veil in place. They are very beautiful as well. I recall seeing those girls at Mass all wearing veils and they didn’t move! Must have bought the ones with the clips.

Lisa
Thanks Lisa 🙂

Those are pretty, but that see-through doily-type material headcoverings were specifically mentioned by the Church Fathers and Rejected in detail for a woman to use as a ‘covering’ since it doesn’t actual cover, imagine if women began using that type of material for pants or a blouse, would anyone dare say they were adequately covered? I also see in the icons that all Christian women Saints wore opaque coverings most covering every strand of hair, but with the neck exposed.

It is a great idea; however, to add a comb to the ancient originally acceptible Catholic opaque headcoverings so as to be able to expose the neck & possiblely a little hair up front as some of the women Saints did expose a tiny little bit of hair.
 
Thanks Lisa 🙂

Those are pretty, but that see-through doily-type material headcoverings were specifically mentioned by the Church Fathers and Rejected in detail for a woman to use as a ‘covering’ since it doesn’t actual cover, imagine if women began using that type of material for pants or a blouse, would anyone dare say they were adequately covered? I also see in the icons that all Christian women Saints wore opaque coverings most covering every strand of hair, but with the neck exposed.

It is a great idea; however, to add a comb to the ancient originally acceptible Catholic opaque headcoverings so as to be able to expose the neck & possiblely a little hair up front as some of the women Saints did expose a tiny little bit of hair.
Why do you only look to the ECF for guidance? Do you ever discuss with your priest how upset you are with the women who don’t cover themselves at all times. And the problem you have with the leaderships failure to understand the difference between Tradition and tradition and thus fail guide women properly in this area unlike you who knows what is right and proper?
 
For clarity VII does not say anything about women wearing a veil as far as I know there is no council that addresses this issue. And just to point out, many here are talking about women wearing a veil at all times like Muslim women do, not just at Mass.
I don’t believe I said anything of the sort. :confused:
 
Head covering of women with veil or scarf, which may resemble a Muslim woman’s head covering, is in fact scriptural and a outward expression of inward faith and devotion to Christ. A Catholic woman may express her faith at all times during which she devotes her thought to God. In theory, that could be all day and night. It is not limited to mass only. Head coverings can have many different looks. One distinct look for women, is the nuns habit, which is worn nearly at all times; another example is the head covering Mother Theresa wore; and of course there’s the kind St Elizabeth Ann Seton Wore; even amish women have a version. To prove a point here is “Mother Mary” google searched by images–look at all those head coverings, some look Islamic to me: search.genieo.com/results.html?v=verti&q=catholic%20veils%20vatican%20women%20head#q=mother+mary&category=images&page=1&v=verti

The Biblical verse regarding head coverings for women in Catholic Church are:
(1 Corinthians 11:3-10,16)

This might explain it better:
en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/Chapel-vail.htm

If you do not like this answer, then perhaps you should show a photo of the head piece you are specifically referring to, explain how you know she is catholic, and we can discuss that matter specifically. Or ask her.
 
Dear Patrice,

There are some pictures in the link that I left in the initial post. There are a ton of different hijab styles (sorry, I’ve been looking for an infographic but haven’t been able to find one), but they’re generally pretty distinct from mantillas because they’re opaque and cover** all** of the hair, ears, and neck. Some Orthodox Christian women wear a veil in a “Muslim hijab style,” which can be seen here. That’s not the only style out there – if you do a Google search for “hijab”, you’re see a lot of different ways that Muslim women tie their scarves.

-Christine
Ok thanks for that link I missed before. I think you are making assumptions based on an image. They could be orthodox. From a specific group. The head coverings could be regionally accepted there for orthodox women and girls.

The adult woman with the baby is not wearing a wedding ring. So she probably is wearing a wedding necklace which is seen in muslim women. It may also be common to use wedding necklaces in some parts of russia.

Here’s what muslim women look like in head coverings to compare to: search.genieo.com/results.html?v=verti&q=muslim%20woman#category=images&q=muslim woman
 
Do you ever discuss with your priest how upset you are with the women who don’t cover themselves at all times. And the problem you have with the leaderships failure to understand the difference between Tradition and tradition and thus fail guide women properly in this area unlike you who knows what is right and proper?
Zaffiroborant, as you recall, I have previously asked you to stop before, yet you continue to Presume too much about me personally.

I will only defend myself against Your Completely False Presumptions once more by saying, I am not, nor have I ever been upset with anyone who chooses not to cover.

Now, Please STOP making False Presumptions about me. If your personal attacks should continue, I will report you because as you know I have asked you to stop more than one time.
 
Ok thanks for that link I missed before. I think you are making assumptions based on an image. They could be orthodox. From a specific group. The head coverings could be regionally accepted there for orthodox women and girls.

The adult woman with the baby is not wearing a wedding ring. So she probably is wearing a wedding necklace which is seen in muslim women. It may also be common to use wedding necklaces in some parts of russia.

Here’s what muslim women look like in head coverings to compare to: search.genieo.com/results.html?v=verti&q=muslim%20woman#category=images&q=muslim woman
If they are Orthodox, the wedding ring would be on the right hand. They continue to use the right hand for covenants, just like is recorded in the Old Testament.
 
Do you ever discuss with your priest how upset you are with the women who don’t cover themselves at all times. And the problem you have with the leaderships failure to understand the difference between Tradition and tradition and thus fail guide women properly in this area unlike you who knows what is right and proper?
Zaffiroborant, as you recall, I have previously asked you to stop before, yet you continue to Presume too much about me personally.

I will only defend myself against Your Completely False Presumptions once more by saying, I am not, nor have I ever been upset with anyone who chooses not to cover.

Now, Please STOP making False Presumptions about me. If your personal attacks should continue, I will report you because as you know I have asked you to stop more than one time.
 
Hello,

I’ve read some blogs by Catholic (and Orthodox, Protestant, pagan, etc) women who’ve decided to wear a headscarf in the Islamic hijab style (which covers all the hair, the ears, and the neck) for various reasons. I’ve been curious about what sort of reactions the Catholic hijabis (hijab-wearers) have gotten from the Catholic community, particularly at Mass. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to contact them.

What would you think of a lay Catholic woman who wore the hijab? What do you think your reaction would be? If you saw a woman wearing a hijab and a crucifix necklace, would you think that she was Catholic, or Orthodox, or just a Muslim wearing a crucifix?

Thanks,
Christine
Hi Christine,

I’m attempting to attach some Icons of Christian women/girl Saints from through the centuries, so you can see how they wore their headcoverings in daily life.

Bummer, after so much time attempting, I can’t get the “Choose File” to search for anything 😦 User error, I’m sure.

But, if you’re interested, you can individually Google & look under the “Images” to see theit Icons:
St. Thekla (1st Century)
St. Elessa (2nd Century)
St. Marina - teenager (3rd Century)
St. Melania (4th Century)
St. Sophia & her young daughters Faith, Hope & Love (5th Century)

I will list more from other centuries in a little bit, sick baby just awoke.
 
Hi Christine,

I’m attempting to attach some Icons of Christian women/girl Saints from through the centuries, so you can see how they wore their headcoverings in daily life.

Bummer, after so much time attempting, I can’t get the “Choose File” to search for anything 😦 User error, I’m sure.

But, if you’re interested, you can individually Google & look under the “Images” to see theit Icons:
St. Thekla (1st Century)
St. Elessa (2nd Century)
St. Marina - teenager (3rd Century)
St. Melania (4th Century)
St. Sophia & her young daughters Faith, Hope & Love (5th Century)

I will list more from other centuries in a little bit, sick baby just awoke.
Still unable to upload the photos 😦

St. Thomais (6th Century)
St. Dymphra (7th Century)
St. Chryse (8th Century)
St. Philothea (12 Century)
St. Matrona (15th Century)
St. Markella (16th Century)
Apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe (16th Century) - photo of the Tilma of Juan Diego
St. Kyranna (18th Century)
St. Argyre (18th Century)
St. Bernadette (19th Century) - from before she became a Nun
St. Mary of Crete (19th Century)
Lucia & St. Jacinta (20th Century) - actual photo, not icon, from before Lucia became a Nun
 
Hi Christine,

I’m attempting to attach some Icons of Christian women/girl Saints from through the centuries, so you can see how they wore their headcoverings in daily life.

Bummer, after so much time attempting, I can’t get the “Choose File” to search for anything 😦 User error, I’m sure.

But, if you’re interested, you can individually Google & look under the “Images” to see theit Icons:
St. Thekla (1st Century)
St. Elessa (2nd Century)
St. Marina - teenager (3rd Century)
St. Melania (4th Century)
St. Sophia & her young daughters Faith, Hope & Love (5th Century)

I will list more from other centuries in a little bit, sick baby just awoke.
Still unable to upload the photos 😦

St. Thomais (6th Century)
St. Dymphra (7th Century)
St. Chryse (8th Century)
St. Philothea (12 Century)
St. Matrona (15th Century)
St. Markella (16th Century)
Apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe (16th Century) - photo of the Tilma of Juan Diego
St. Kyranna (18th Century)
St. Argyre (18th Century)
St. Bernadette (19th Century) - from before she became a Nun
St. Mary of Crete (19th Century)
Lucia & St. Jacinta (20th Century) - actual photo, not icon, from before Lucia became a Nun
 
If they are Orthodox, the wedding ring would be on the right hand. They continue to use the right hand for covenants, just like is recorded in the Old Testament.
I did not know that. I learned something new. Thank you.
 
Zaffiroborant, as you recall, I have previously asked you to stop before, yet you continue to Presume too much about me personally.

I will only defend myself against Your Completely False Presumptions once more by saying, I am not, nor have I ever been upset with anyone who chooses not to cover.

Now, Please STOP making False Presumptions about me. If your personal attacks should continue, I will report you because as you know I have asked you to stop more than one time.
You’re right you have never said you were upset with women who don’t cover themselves. But you are quite pointed in your criticism that women are no longer taught to do so. After this post you continue to insist (with your examples) that women are to cover their heads at all times in their every day lives. You have made a point in numerous posts here and on the other thread that show you believe the leadership of the Church fails to teach this important (to you) guidance on women’s proper dress. You cite the ECF while ignoring the thousands of men who have and still serve as priests, bishops, even popes who have not told women to cover themselves as you believe they should. In doing this you deny the authority of all those men in favor of your hobbyhorse.
 
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