What do you think of the federal income tax (FICA)?

[vern_humphrey]

Why because you despise collectivism? You abhor his altruistic approach to dealing with Kahn Noonien Singh?

I keep telling you, don’t sleep with your head in the microwave.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Sure. It would keep a lot of money in the states and areas which would know better what to grow because that was what was making money in the market and trade with other nations. Mega international farm corporations might have to compete with local family farms again and we might get a better variety of food to choose from as well.

That’s good. Maybe Congress can work good trade deals with other nations with low tariffs whch would help the consumers cost.

Is it coming from my income tax? If so, no. Living in deserts has risks like living on the Gulf coast or in tornado country. (The Anasazi used to live there but left because there was no water. I think the Mayans did the same in Central America.) Water rights is a topic in itself but suffice it to say if the states have lawfull agreements between themselves and private businesses are willing to risk the endevor to create farmland out of desert for a profit then they are willing to risk a loss. If America gets hungry enough they will pay the cost/risk in the price of food unlike the manipulated high prices now. Private corporations have HOA type groups similar to neighborhood groups so the role of the government is just to ensure everyone plays by the rules they agreed to. I don’t live with an HOA so I’m not sure if those who do will pay the mortgage of a neighbor for a while if they lost their job and is about to forclose. Do HOA’s subsidize it’s members for some reason like the federal government does certain industries?

Well, a little research and talking with others about it might prove it’s not a good idea, but you should be free to try at your own cost or find someone else to loan you the money to do it.

Industrial hemp (currently outlawed) would produce twice as much energy as corn (currently subsidized/mandated) for ethanol and that stuff grows like a weed, because it is. Kids can’t get high with it and it makes great rope and like the peanut it has many uses. Besides, with corn so high; (no pun intended to the hemp reference) if we put more corn into the market for food, food might cost less. A non-edible thing like the dollar is even an example. The more printed the less they are worth.

But if we did those things you suggest I bet prices would drop because of competition and you would have more of your money. Great ideas.

Industrial hemp might well be a good energy source. Shouldn’t be hard to re-establish it, since so much of it grows wild anyway. Of course, there would be the problem of drug dealers planting Maui Wowie in the patches. I don’t know at what stage hemp is harvested. A potential problem, though. It’s my impression that the Corn Belt and the Hash Belt are very nearly the same.

 

[Holly3278]

Personally, I’d be all for the federal income tax as long as there were provisions available which you could sign to keep your moneys from going to organizations you do not support like Planned Parenthood.

 

[Verisimilitude]

How do you plan to get the fat cats who run Congress and the State Legislatures to do that - money is power, and you’re asking them to give up their power.

It is called a vote, in an election that should be held fairly. There is someone who said exactly that- he would not abuse the power handed to past and current seeking Presidents taht unlawfull power. Shall I post a link to a video where he says that?

I’d love to see such a debate – but the mainstream media won’t support it. They are all “mo tax is bettah, lah!”

I doubt your sincerity since you have been arguing for keeping the income tax.

Yep. But right now we are voices crying in the wilderness.

We?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Personally, I’d be all for the federal income tax as long as there were provisions available which you could sign to keep your moneys from going to organizations you do not support like Planned Parenthood.

Money is fungible.

I was once appointed a Key May for the United Way, and asked some embarassing questions that got me dropped.

Here’s the situation – I found they have a budget before they start the campaign. All the authorized agencies that benefit are assigned an amount. Let’s suppose the Boy Scouts are assigned $20,000.

Now let’s suppose you give $20 and specify it will go to the Boy Scouts. How much do the Boy Scouts get? $20,000!

Let’s suppose a thousand people give $20 each and specify it will go to the Boy Scouts. How much do the Boy Scouts get? $20,000!

Now let’s suppose** two** thousand people give $20 each and specify it will go to the Boy Scouts. How much do the Boy Scouts get? $20,000!

Your taxes will be dumped into a pot (called the General Fund) and every agency will get whatever Congress says they will get – just like with the United Fund. And you can’t prove that your money went to Planned Parenthood or some other reprehensible activity.

 

[vern_humphrey]

It is called a vote, in an election that should be held fairly. There is someone who said exactly that- he would not abuse the power handed to past and current seeking Presidents taht unlawfull power. Shall I post a link to a video where he says that?

Anyone can say anything he wants.

I am reminded of a passage in Shakespeare: Owen Glendower says, “I can call spirits in the vasty deep.”

And the other party says, “Why so can I. And so can any man. But when you call, do they answer?”

I doubt your sincerity since you have been arguing for keeping the income tax.

And I doubt yours when you say things like that.

It
We?

Ah, I forgot. When the drums are beating the long roll, you won’t be there, will you?

 

[Verisimilitude]

Spock did more damage to children than any other person I know.

Pretty much like Congress has done with our laws.

A list that matches no one in the world - except those who inhabit your imagination.

It fits you pretty well and most of those in the GOP leadership and quite a few in the DNC.

Non sequitor.

No, yours is a non-answer. Why can’t you answer teh original question directly as asked with a simple yes or no?

None of the above. I suggest you study a few manuals and get back to me.

You love to pretend some secret knowledge by special military schools and experience under fire. Are you suggesting the art of killing and war relegated to the military is a political tool for policy? Why can’t you just answer the question posed? If it makes me look stupid I can live with that, but your constant deflection and non-answers paint quite a picture of you.

Have you stopped beating your wife?

I don’t beat my wife. You seem incapable of giving such a straight answer.

I note that you avoided the question.

Comprehension is not your strong point is it?

And how do you plan on doing that?

I spoke about this before…it’s called a vote. If people like you keep voting for people like you I might not get my way, but then again I haven’t sold my convictions out either.

I’d rather be a ram than a weather.

Don’t flatter yourself more than yo already do. It is unbecoming particularly when it isn’t true.

For someone who has never been there, you show a surprising lack of character.

Are we talking combat or taxes?

 

[Holly3278]

Money is fungible.

I was once appointed a Key May for the United Way, and asked some embarassing questions that got me dropped.

Here’s the situation – I found they have a budget before they start the campaign. All the authorized agencies that benefit are assigned an amount. Let’s suppose the Boy Scouts are assigned $20,000.

Now let’s suppose you give $20 and specify it will go to the Boy Scouts. How much do the Boy Scouts get? $20,000!

Let’s suppose a thousand people give $20 each and specify it will go to the Boy Scouts. How much do the Boy Scouts get? $20,000!

Now let’s suppose** two** thousand people give $20 each and specify it will go to the Boy Scouts. How much do the Boy Scouts get? $20,000!

Your taxes will be dumped into a pot (called the General Fund) and every agency will get whatever Congress says they will get – just like with the United Fund. And you can’t prove that your money went to Planned Parenthood or some other reprehensible activity.

Wow. That really sucks. Cause I really do not want my tax money going to Planned Parenthood for one organization. I am strongly opposed to Planned Parenthood because of their racist actions and also because they perform abortions on demand.

 

[vern_humphrey]

You love to pretend some secret knowledge by special military schools and experience under fire. Are you suggesting the art of killing and war relegated to the military is a political tool for policy? Why can’t you just answer the question posed? If it makes me look stupid I can live with that, but your constant deflection and non-answers paint quite a picture of you.

I have the bullet holes to prove it.

I spoke about this before…it’s called a vote. If people like you keep voting for people like you I might not get my way, but then again I haven’t sold my convictions out either.

Yes you have. But you keep lying to yourself and believing you haven’t.

Are we talking combat or taxes?

Both – you obviously know virtually nothing about either one.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Anyone can say anything he wants.

True, but only those who are honest and proven they live by their words should be listend to.

I am reminded of a passage in Shakespeare: Owen Glendower says, “I can call spirits in the vasty deep.”

And the other party says, “Why so can I. And so can any man. But when you call, do they answer?”

I am reminded of…Luke 11:8 "I tell you, even though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will get up and give him as much as he needs.

And I doubt yours when you say things like that.

Well, do you support ending the income tax or not? Can you give a simple answer? You couldn’t when I asked what is covered by the income tax except to say it is in the general fund. I asked if you supported the Presidents foreign policy in Iraq and you said you support defending America.

I am reminded of another quote:
Matthew 5:37
"But let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil.

Ah, I forgot. When the drums are beating the long roll, you won’t be there, will you?

You’re a real piece of work, Vern. So much so that I think I will not respond to your non-responses, deflections and hubris.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Why because you despise collectivism? You abhor his altruistic approach to dealing with Kahn Noonien Singh?

http://www.moveleft.com/vegontv/images/spock_giving_vulcan_salute_286x215.jpg

 

[vern_humphrey]

True, but only those who are honest and proven they live by their words should be listend to.

If they live by their words, they should have accomplishments to show. What accomplishments are those?

Well, do you support ending the income tax or not? Can you give a simple answer?

I’d love to end the income tax – if that could be done, and done without instituting an even more pervasive tax.

I asked if you supported the Presidents foreign policy in Iraq and you said you support defending America.

And I suppose you oppose defending America? Give me a yes or no on that.

You’re a real piece of work, Vern. So much so that I think I will not respond to your non-responses, deflections and hubris.

When you resort to personal attacks, you acknowledge you’ve lost the argument.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Yes, this will be my last response to you on this and maybe all threads. Smugness is nearly as intolerable as willful ignorance and you exhibit both to a high degree. You may want to take it as a personal attack, but it is merely an observation.

If they live by their words, they should have accomplishments to show. What accomplishments are those?

Asking to show accomplishments that would satisfy you is a game I won’t play. You agree with the majority (and minority) that refuse to acknowledge or act on worthy things because of politics and no other reason. It is not the fault of the individual who sponsored the Sanctity of Life Act it is not passed to protect the unborn so it cannot be an accomplishment like you demand, but the submission of it is already. Same thing with the Marque and Reprisal Act that was not permitted to be brought to a vote. When the same individual asked for an up or down vote to declare war in Iraq before the war began, he was mocked and summarily dismissed as a nut for wanting to follow the Constitution. There are many such examples but you ignore the simple so why bother with the complex. I stand with he who tries the honorable thing though it is unsuccessful because of less than honorable people who thwart him.

Beyond the public record I also consider the fact a man who honors his commitment made before God in things like marriage and family for good or ill is an accomplishment worthy of note and admiration. The choice of a honorable profession like a OB/GYN is an accomplishment I admire. The man who abandons his wife after she stood by him when a POW is not an accomplishment I find honorable, nor is being a professional politician. Some accomplishments are not so apparent. Surviving war is by the grace of God and killing others in war should not be a boast as doing God’s will even in a Just war which few have been.

Matthew 6:2
"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

I have met two Catholics on this site who said such maxims as the above do not apply to Catholics today. I won’t bother to ask if you would make #3. I do not care to hear your non-answer.

I’d love to end the income tax – if that could be done, and done without instituting an even more pervasive tax.

Then the simple answer is yes, but you cannot give simple answers. What you refuse to acknowledge is the need to replace it with nothing. The wasteful spending you cry about should just be rerouted to more ‘worthy’ things. What you find worthy and neccessary (neocon foreign policy), I do not.

And I suppose you oppose defending America? Give me a yes or no on that.

No, I do not oppose defending America and the insinuation is stupid. The interventionist foreign policy practiced since WW2 is not a defense of America but an offense to other people that goes against the Christian ethic. It also makes the US less safe. It cannot be couched under doing a greater good by doing a little evil. It doesn’t work that way.

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

To call that as being passive and being afraid or unwilling to defend oneself is also stupid. Iraq never even hit us on the right cheek, and Iran like Iraq before 2003 doesn’t have the capability to strike us to begin with yet many Christians want to hit Iran first like they did Iraq because of simple fear. There is justified self defense but it has limits.

Luke 22:38
The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied.

Violation of UN mandates and resolutions are not a just cause for war no matter how much you say you love to hate the UN but yet you still do its bidding. Some might call that being a hypocrite. Others might call it the reality of today. The only way I see it as not being a hypocrite is to conclude Christ’s maxims are not relevant for people today and that I cannot do.

When you resort to personal attacks, you acknowledge you’ve lost the argument.

I have lost nothing except the desire to find reason and humility in you so I will leave you to your own imagination of being such a noble person with wisdom you refuse to share anyway. As I said earlier identifying your political philosophy as a neocon is not a personal attack though you dislike it, it is simple to discern by your words and lack of them. Much like Archie Bunker was a racist though he denied it. Archie was only a tv character. You are just a character.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Yes, this will be my last response to you on this and maybe all threads. Smugness is nearly as intolerable as willful ignorance and you exhibit both to a high degree. You may want to take it as a personal attack, but it is merely an observation.

Bye bye.