What does Anti-Catholic mean?

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From a different thread, in which we came to conclusion that Catholics have a view of life in particular and the world in general which is perhaps not shared by everyone else, I got the idea to ask this question:

What does anti-Catholic mean?

A little background. I was raised in a Catholic home and in a parochial school, and I recall a few times when certain issues might come up, and the idea was proposed to us of anti-Catholic thinking.

I’ll give an example. The social/political issue of abortion. My question here is not about the morality of abortion (It is most certainly wrong). But rather, like this: If some government were to establish a law granting total abortion rights to all women, that might be called anti-Catholic.

Would that mean that it was done specifically for the purpose of making things hard for Catholics in that country? Or, would it just be coincidence in the sense that the government is really simply reacting to the wants of its people - and they want to follow the base elements of human nature?

Then, more generally, what issues may have come up in the past that Catholics would believe were specifically intended to make things difficult for the Church?

I am wondering, again, because I remember well being left with the impression as a child that Catholics were somehow being persecuted every time something changed in the culture that was contrary to Catholic thinking or doctrine.

Sorry if that is confusing. I would like to try to make my question clearer if someone would appreciate that.

And, thanks in advance for the (name removed by moderator)ut.

Minny
 
Minny-

When I use the term “anti-catholic” I mean it quite literally, something or someone which is opposed to the Catholic Church. I would not generally use it for things which are opposed BY the Church but are not intended by their proponents/speakers as a rejection of the Church. So in your hypothetical political case, I would not see a law granting abortion rights as anti-catholic, although if it also mandated that medical professionals perform abortions regardless of the requirements of their faith, I would see it as anti-religious freedom.

Really obvious examples of anti-catholic laws in the past would range from the requirements of ancient Rome that citizens offer sacrifice to idols to the banning of the Mass and execution of Catholic priests in England under the Protestant Tudors to the proposals of the Know-nothings in the United States in the 1840s.

But most anti-catholic speech today is observed not at the level of government but in the popular media, where as someone has observed the last group it is okay to be openly prejudiced against is Catholics.
 
Hi, Minny.

Others interested in discussing this thread in depth can start with a primer from Wikipedia on anti-Catholicism in the United States.

Of course, since the formation of the Church of England, Catholics have had a very hard time there and especially in Ireland. This general article discusses the issue in other countries.

My take: Paradoxically to showing humility of one’s self to God, anti-Catholicism seemed to come from an increased sense of individuality and anti-authoritarianism from the Reformation to, well, submit to God’s will on a personal basis. Obviously, moral relativism became rampant, as did the increasing numbers of different takes on the Christian faith to the point where Catholicism’s origins, history and primacy was lost, distorted by time and false teachings to the point where the RCC was just another ‘denomination’ to other non-Catholics.

The quote on my signature below emphasizes what has happened in America over time because of the misgivings and misinformation about the Catholic Church…
 
I live in the area of the world that has the MOST anti-Catholic people on earth. They are Protestants. Ironically i live in the area that has the most anti-Protestant people on earth, they are Catholics. It is one of the most major influences in my live that turned me away from religion.

This divide has killed more people than those that lost there life’s in the twin towers, what ever happened to “thou shalt not kill”? 😦

 
AlbertBall:

The nature of faith and the people who practice it are not mutually inclusive. A person with faith is not perfect. They join a faith to learn how to be better.

And many fail. Like the ones in your picture. They become zealots, or forget what they are fighting for or why such behavior is wrong.

Like Judas.

But the Apostles did not throw out Christ’s teachings because one of their own became ruined. And neither will the Church.
 
I am really sorry fellows. Somehow I must have miscommunicated my question.

For example, I think that there should be no doubts that Protestants killing Catholics because they are Catholics are anti-Catholic. And, Catholic killing Protestants are obviously anti-Protestant. And, I don’t really want to discuss how either of those is a reflection on their faith - I am sure that has been done already, and it doesn’t seem profitable to me, because everyone talks past each other.

What I am more interested in here is how Catholics would perceive things like liberal abortion laws (are they specifically anti-Catholic).

Or, if someone says “I don’t think the idea the Mary was always a virgin is very logical.” Is that anti-Catholic.

Or, “A is moral, but B is not does not seem like it follows logically to me.” Is there an anti-Catholic bias there?

These are my questions.

Or, is the failure of the various governments to do anything to stop the proliferation of illicit drugs anti-Catholic because the Church deems such drugs to be sinful in their use.

Or, many other such things.

Does that make sense as to what I am asking?

Thanks,

Minny
 
I have seen Catholics claim that pretty much any denial of Catholic doctrine is anti-Catholic.

I have encountered others who do not think that denying the doctrine is anti-Catholic but it is in the way you deny it. If you deny it with charity they don’t view that as anti-Catholic but if you deny it without charity then they view that as anti-Catholic.

So, I don’t think you’ll get an answer that Catholics can agree to amongst themselves to these questions, but it should be an interesting thread.
 
Does that make sense as to what I am asking?
I don’t know. By the end of your post I felt the urge to give you a Three Stooges eye-poke, and maybe that one where Moe takes the wrench and…oh never mind.😃

Disagreeing with Catholic teaching is not anti-Catholic. I can disagree with the IRS, but would never fly a plane into their building. What most identify as ‘anti-Catholic’ is usually packaged in extremism. That’s the key word. Those kinds of people are normally associated with other forms of extremism as well.
 
If you are looking for anti-catholic you will find it on Catholicleague.com . If there is something in this world that is anti- catholic Mr. Donohue will find it and bring it to our attention. Some of the things over the last year included states trying to take away Catholic church’s tax exempt status, states trying to tell the Church how to handle it’s finances (take it out of priest hands and into layity). Pregnant nun and priest with erection holloween costumes etc.
 
I am really sorry fellows. Somehow I must have miscommunicated my question.

For example, I think that there should be no doubts that Protestants killing Catholics because they are Catholics are anti-Catholic. And, Catholic killing Protestants are obviously anti-Protestant. And, I don’t really want to discuss how either of those is a reflection on their faith - I am sure that has been done already, and it doesn’t seem profitable to me, because everyone talks past each other.

What I am more interested in here is how Catholics would perceive things like liberal abortion laws (are they specifically anti-Catholic).

Or, if someone says “I don’t think the idea the Mary was always a virgin is very logical.” Is that anti-Catholic.

Or, “A is moral, but B is not does not seem like it follows logically to me.” Is there an anti-Catholic bias there?

These are my questions.

Or, is the failure of the various governments to do anything to stop the proliferation of illicit drugs anti-Catholic because the Church deems such drugs to be sinful in their use.

Or, many other such things.

Does that make sense as to what I am asking?

Thanks,

Minny
Thanks for clarifying, Minny.

To be anti-Catholic, in my opinion, is for a non-Catholic to express opinions and information that is fallacious, inflammatory or morally illicit to Catholics with the intent of mis-characterizing or vilifying the faith and its followers.

For a Catholic to argue against the teachings of their own faith is classically heretical, but in modern times such behaviors do not merit the strictures or punishments or sanctions that the Church would have used to keep a person “on message.” In simple language, the Church today provides the rules but leaves it to you and your free will to choose or not choose to accept and abide by them–and what reward you receive from God as a result of your over-individualism.

Governments can be anti-Catholic without being hostile to the faith itself (the United States allows abortion by law but protects the right to choose religion freely), as can organizations (many employers allow time off for religious observances but restrict the use of religious materials at one’s work site).
 
It is one of the most major influences in my live that turned me away from religion.
I personally don’t let the worst of Christians withdraw me from the truth. I don’t think you should either.
 
I personally don’t let the worst of Christians withdraw me from the truth. I don’t think you should either.
I don’t mean the truth of it, i only let evidence guide my knowledge. I should have said turned me off, not away.
 
I live in the area of the world that has the MOST anti-Catholic people on earth. They are Protestants. Ironically i live in the area that has the most anti-Protestant people on earth, they are Catholics. It is one of the most major influences in my live that turned me away from religion.

This divide has killed more people than those that lost there life’s in the twin towers, what ever happened to “thou shalt not kill”? 😦
So if a Christian fails to follow the teachings of Christ… would you say that the teachings of Christ are the result of their apathy, misery, etc.? If individuals fail to adhere to their religion… how can you judge the religion based on the actions of a few misfits?
 
So if a Christian fails to follow the teachings of Christ… would you say that the teachings of Christ are the result of their apathy, misery, etc.? If individuals fail to adhere to their religion… how can you judge the religion based on the actions of a few misfits?
A very interesting question, though i think i have taken this thread OT enough. I would be happy to answer on another thread.
 
A very interesting question, though i think i have taken this thread OT enough. I would be happy to answer on another thread.
I’m fairly certain the OP got what she was looking for.

It’s a language thread, designed to split hairs, distinguishing one term from another.

No reason we can’t distinguish a religion from its [humanly hypocritical] adherents, right?
 
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