Thanks SO much … I didn’t know about this …I am about ready to chew on a leather belt outta frustration
… tee hehehe
What Does Cannon Law Say ?
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… tee heheheJust Lurking meant that post for me … I’m deedward
I typed up your contentions and will show them to my priest … it’s worth a shot because I’m so fried I can’t think straight …
I truly hope you are right and he will accept it because I’d rather not wait a whole year … ugh.
Your bunny reminds me of a cartoon I used to watch entitled Pinky and The Brain
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Vico
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It is true that item 7 of Immensae Caritatis allows for reception of communion a second time in a day, apart from participation in a Mass, which conflicts with Canon 917.
No, it is not lack of provision for fulfillment of Mass obligation like Canon 1248 which originally was given for ease (Eucharisticum Mysterium, n. 8 - May 25, 1967). That same instruction also allowed reception of communion on Sunday anticipated Mass on the prior evening, and that provides a reason for the second reception by a participant at a Mass which was repeated in Immensae Caritatis:—on Saturday evening or the evening before a holy day of obligation, when they are fulfilling the obligation to assist at Mass, even if they have received communion that morning;3
Code:
—at the second Mass of Easter Sunday and in one of the day Masses on Christmas, even if they have received communion at the Mass of the Easter Vigil or at the Mass at Midnight on Christmas;4
—also at the evening Mass on Holy Thursday, even if they have also received communion at the chrism Mass.5adoremus.org/eucharisticummysterium.html
adoremus.org/TresAbhinc.html
adoremus.org/Interoecumenici.html
Hi Vico,
Thanks so much … as long as there is one item which constitutes a contradicts, it will be enough for sections 2 and 6 of the canon to be applied, thus calling for the reordering… God willing Fr. will agree …
I sent Fr an email though, based on my interpretation in red in the last posting so hopefully he won’t be picky and throw the baby out with the bath water … especially when it’s the first item …7… that is the lynch pin.
We shall see.
You are in my prayers …gotta get started for the day …confession, communion and time with our precious Lord.
God bless you for your patience, in particular …
***Father is agreeing with me about there not being a discrepancy due to the ability to obtain two times in one day … Here is his response:
Immensae Caritatis does not contradict the code, thus the code does not abrogate it, nor does the new code reorder anything that Immensae Caritatis states, and immense is found in Canon 917 and 1248 so I still don’t see permission to receive twice daily under normal circumstances.
Immensae is found within those two codes perfectly - it still remains in force.
Attached is from my commentary on the code of canon law that i photocopied.***
Which was pg 589 of the The Code of Canon Law Annotated dated 1993 which I referred to in the past and lack time or energy to type it out.
My next step is to write the Congregation for worship/sacraments.
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I suggest you not write to them. This is a question for the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts. As the thread title asks, “what does canon law say?”
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Pontifical Council … not Divine Worship/Sacraments Congregation or whateva ?
I’m glad I asked my priest to review the draft of the body of my email before I emailed it off …
Thanks Dan
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Vico
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Yes, it can be taken two ways depending upon the emphasis on 1 or 2.
- can receive it a second time on the same day
- only within the eucharistic celebration in which the person participates
And, it is highly recommended to receive holy communion during the eucharistic celebration itself, and canon 918 as well as the Catechism of the Catholic Church # 1388 explains the concept from Vatican II. 1388 It is in keeping with the very meaning of the Eucharist that the faithful, if they have the required dispositions,221 receive communion when they participate in the Mass.222 As the Second Vatican Council says: "That more perfect form of participation in the Mass whereby the faithful, after the priest’s communion, receive the Lord’s Body from the same sacrifice, is warmly recommended."223
Can. 917 A person who has already received the Most Holy Eucharist can receive it a second time on the same day only within the eucharistic celebration in which the person participates, without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 921, §2.
Can. 918 It is highly recommended that the faithful receive holy communion during the eucharistic celebration itself. It is to be administered outside the Mass, however, to those who request it for a just cause, with the liturgical rites being observed.
Vatican City, 1 February 2013
Dear Ms. Edwards,
I am happy to send in the attached our response to your inquiry via email recently.
If you prefer to receive the original letter, please provide me with your mailing address.
Best regards,
Rev. Cuong M. Pham
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Dear Ms. Edwards,
I am happy to send in the attached our response to your inquiry via email recently.
If you prefer to receive the original letter, please provide me with your mailing address.
Best regards,
Rev. Cuong M. Pham
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Code:
Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts
Piazza Pio XII, 10
00193 Roma
ItalyI can’t copy and paste the Adobe PDF so I will type it for you
PONTIFICIUM CONSILIUM
DE LEGUM TEXTIBUS
Prot. 13994/2013
Vatican City, 1 February 2013
Dear Ms. Edwards
The Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts has received your query expressed in an email sent on January 23 of this year, regarding the reception of Holy Communion twice on the same day. You asked, specifically, whether the document Immensae Caritatis is still in effect, and whether there might be another canonical reference or document on this matter.
As regards your first question, it is important to know that Immensae Caritatis is still in effect. In fact, its norm on the matter of interest is reinforced in canon 917 CIC.
With respect to your second question, I am pleased to inform you that indeed there is an authentic interpretation from the Pontifical Counsel for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts, promulgated on 07 August 1984 (cr. AAS 76 {1984} 746), which established that one who has already received the Most Holy Eucharist may receive it on the same day only a second time, and not as often as one participates in the celebration of the Eucharist.
Any further question regarding the application of these norms may be directed toward the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, the dicastery competent to deal with these matters.
I hope the above information will be helpful to your research. Be assured of my prayer and best wishes for your canonical endeavors.
Sincerely yours in Christ,
Rev. Cuong M Pham
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Vico
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The questions to the Church have to be worded exactly to get a satisfactory answer. I think the question that was raised was not answered:
Does CIC Canon 917 allow for reception of communion a second time in a day at Masses which are not allowed per Immensae Caritatis, for example at a Communion Service in the morning and then again a second time at a noon weekday Mass in which the communicant participates?
Does CIC Canon 917 allow for reception of communion a second time in a day at Masses which are not allowed per Immensae Caritatis, for example at a Communion Service in the morning and then again a second time at a noon weekday Mass in which the communicant participates?
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Ed_Peters
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I don’t think this answer means what this nice lady thinks it means. Is someone else going to take this one? 
best, edp.
best, edp.
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Ed_Peters
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In the meantime, driving home tonight (which is my only free time just now) I was thinking about the man—maybe y’all know the story—whose son left the Church. For years, in reparation for his son’s abandonment of the Church, the young man’s father attended Mass twice every Sunday, once for himself, and once “for” his son, for years. Identical liturgies, of course. I assume he went to Communion twice every Sunday, once for himself, once for his son. He did this, as I say, for years, until one day the boy came home and announced he was going back to Church. Question: was this man’s action in taking Communion twice, at liturgies he fully attended, objectively speaking (no one suggests subjective blame here), illicit?
I can’t imagine saying Yes. And I don’t canon law would regard it as so, either.
I can’t imagine saying Yes. And I don’t canon law would regard it as so, either.
You don’t read very well Ed …It’s the priest of my parish asserting this …which means, you do not agree with the priest …
I blocked you on Facebook for your tantrum when I made the following point …The title Lay Canon Lawyer is for those who can use church documents to argue their assertion versus try to pawn it off to someone else because all he has is a personal opinion and an anecdote, both of which have no bearing in the arena of Law.
I don’t think this answer means what this nice lady thinks it means. Is someone else going to take this one?
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paperwight66
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It’s ‘Canon’ not ‘Cannon’. There is no such thing as a ‘Lay Cannon Lawyer’.
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