What Does 'Faith' Mean?

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Hello,

My question is essentially: How is faith related to reason?

I myself am not Catholic, and in all honesty doubt that I will convert anytime soon. That being said, I am interested in a deeper understanding of the religion’s philosophy.

I’ve heard from Catholics and other Christians an answer to the question, ‘How do you know God exists if you can’t see Him’?: The answer is that there are many things we believe without scientific proof. I agree with this. But even for those things, there is some ‘reason’ that, although not scientific, is reason enough to believe in them. Another answer i’ve heard is, ‘I take it on faith’. But what does this mean? Obviously Catholics and Christians would agree that we can’t have ‘faith’ in just anything. What ‘reason’ informs faith before someone chooses it?

Thank you for your time,

CV
 
CV welcome To CAF. 🙂

A few links to begin with…

Some thoughts on faith from the online Catholic Encyclopedia
newadvent.org/cathen/05752c.htm

Some thoughts on reason from the online Catholic Encyclopedia
newadvent.org/cathen/12673b.htm

Faith, reason, from the Catechism from the Catholic Church
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c3a1.htm

catholiceducation.org/articles/education/ed0294.htm

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html
 
Curiosity is a good beginning because we want to know if life has any meaning other than just existence. What am I doin on this planet? How did I get here? Is this all that there is? And just what am I? And how do I relate to others? What am I suppose to do? How can I be happy?
and so many more questions.

When a person is young, they are interested in the good times. But then when they are married and have children, then religion becomes more important because of the children.

If the family you came from already had a religion, then that is either rejected immediately or accepted for a while. Then questions begin to immerge about the faith. If the answers are unsatisfactory, then the search begins for another more acceptable faith.

Logic fits in by reviewing the answers the faith has put forward. Books are read and scrutinized. Some at this point begin to get frustrated and drift away for a while longer.

I think that explains a little of the human process.

How does logic help? Our reason is used to ask questions and to see if the answers make sense.
And during this time, that reason is used, God may choose to encourage the mind to see the truth that is being presented. At this point, with out the person’s awareness, God is opening up the intellect and giving to it the power to understand these truths of faith. Because we cannot accept or realize the value of these truths without his help. Faith is one level above reason.
Tho faith is not contrary to reason, just above.

So as we search and know, God reveals because of our good will in wanting to know him.
It is a search and find with God’s help. And once we feel that we know enough, then we have reached our ambition of faith and want to Join God in his church to do his will and fullfil our life with him.

Just some thoughts.

Here is another thought you may want to look at.
metacrock.blogspot.com/2005/11/lourdes-miracles.html
 
+JMJ+
Hello,

My question is essentially: How is faith related to reason?

I myself am not Catholic, and in all honesty doubt that I will convert anytime soon. That being said, I am interested in a deeper understanding of the religion’s philosophy.

I’ve heard from Catholics and other Christians an answer to the question, ‘How do you know God exists if you can’t see Him’?: The answer is that there are many things we believe without scientific proof. I agree with this. But even for those things, there is some ‘reason’ that, although not scientific, is reason enough to believe in them. Another answer i’ve heard is, ‘I take it on faith’. But what does this mean? Obviously Catholics and Christians would agree that we can’t have ‘faith’ in just anything. What ‘reason’ informs faith before someone chooses it?

Thank you for your time,

CV
As I have said many times already here, the Catholic faith, like so many religions and philosophies out there, are a set of axioms and postulates from those axioms that can be tested by living through them. It just so happens that the Catholic faith lived through the ages is the basis of Western Civilization, including (gasp!) its science:

The Catholic Church: Builder of Civilization
 
My question is essentially: How is faith related to reason?
Welcome to CAF! 👋

Pope John Paul II was kind enough to write an encyclical that answers that exact question in great detail. 🙂

Fides et Ratio

If you want to know how Catholics view the interplay between faith and reason, that document it a great place to start. 👍
 
Hello,
My question is essentially: How is faith related to reason?
‘How do you know God exists if you can’t see Him’?: The answer is that there are many things we believe without scientific proof. I agree with this. But even for those things, there is some ‘reason’ that, although not scientific, is reason enough to believe in them.
CV
Faith is just as related to reason in the theological realm as it is in the secular. Reason is the induction and deduction exercised in the analysis of data. Faith is basically confidence in that data. “The Enlightenment” period challenged the idea of a supreme being that rules over all. However, most societies and cultures recognize and accept there is a God. Go to the jungle and you will find a societal construct based upon a belief in one or more deities. Granted they may be less advanced and less educated than western culture, but this shows that a mere analysis of nature itself, points societies from all over the globe to a divine Maker and Mover.

I think this seems obvious to you and perhaps what you really want to know is, how can we know that what we put our trust in is really trust-worthy?

Nature and the Bible are completely compatible as an evidence to who God is.
Psalm 19, “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.
There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world…
The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.”

One aspect of scientific study which the Bible points us to again and again is testing.
A proper test will only yield the most positive results.
After fifteen years of careful examination, I can bear witness that there is no more noble study than the Science of the Christian faith.
And there is no more a beautiful specimen to admire than Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
 
I’ve heard from Catholics and other Christians an answer to the question, ‘How do you know God exists if you can’t see Him’?: The answer is that there are many things we believe without scientific proof. I agree with this. But even for those things, there is some ‘reason’ that, although not scientific, is reason enough to believe in them. Another answer i’ve heard is, ‘I take it on faith’. But what does this mean? Obviously Catholics and Christians would agree that we can’t have ‘faith’ in just anything. What ‘reason’ informs faith before someone chooses it?
A better answer to your question above is that “we” have seen God. Jesus Christ walked among us 2000 years ago in the Roman province of Palestine. His existence and the manner of His death were recorded by many non-Christian historians of the time. His life and works are recorded in the Gospels. God certainly doesn’t expect us to have totally blind faith. Actually we’re taught in the Catholic Church that God gives us faith as a gift, that’s it’s not even within our power to “acquire” it by ourselves.

Read the Gospels and decide for yourself whether Jesus is lunatic, liar or Lord.
 
I believe (don’t know) that we as believing Christians would benefit from the following ideas.

The evidence that Plato, Aristotle and Aquinas used to point to a divine being should be used as Thomas did.

The evidence was a preamble to faith–that is, it is not part of faith. They are steps before faith and Christian philosophy and theology.

I believe the arguments are even stronger today than 800 to 2300 years ago.

The human reason can now see that we are designed even more so than ever.

The argument from a watch to the new phone add on TV point to design. And we are much more than a phone held in our hand.

We should be accurate in saying, yes there is tons of evidence that we are designed!

We should be accurate in saying, we are intellectually limited.

We cannot discern much about the being(s) that designed us.

We for sure do not know if Moses was accurate.

Moses may or may not had a relationship with the Being. We believe Moses. We believe Jesus. Belief and knowledge are two different realities.

For me as a Catholic, I believe because of the results in my own growth. I have actually matured. I do need more growth, but believe it will happen.

For me as a Catholic, I believe because the opposite is clearly harmful–Love verse hate, drunkenness verse sobriety, fidelity verse no sexual controls.

Even our Creed says, I believe in God!

In my judgment, the evidence in overwhelming that what our physical eyes see and our intellects discern, we were made. Then faith walks in and says, I hope and pray that Moses and Jesus were correct and accurate.

Thanks!
 
Hello,

My question is essentially: How is faith related to reason?

I myself am not Catholic, and in all honesty doubt that I will convert anytime soon. That being said, I am interested in a deeper understanding of the religion’s philosophy.

I’ve heard from Catholics and other Christians an answer to the question, ‘How do you know God exists if you can’t see Him’?: The answer is that there are many things we believe without scientific proof. I agree with this. But even for those things, there is some ‘reason’ that, although not scientific, is reason enough to believe in them. Another answer i’ve heard is, ‘I take it on faith’. But what does this mean? Obviously Catholics and Christians would agree that we can’t have ‘faith’ in just anything. What ‘reason’ informs faith before someone chooses it?

Thank you for your time,

CV
Chevuoi:

Good question. Although the more complete answer to your question is buried in the 145, or so, threads of this forum, I’m sure you don’t want to go on a prolonged search through thousands of posts, do you?

I’ll get right to the point. In general, Catholics believe that there are proofs for God’s existence, from reason, that have never been successfully refuted. These include Aquinas’ Five Ways, Anslem’s argument, that when perfectly understood, has not been successfully refuted, and perhaps a few more. (These fora are replete with attempts to refute these arguments, so you can look for yourself.) Now, even though these proofs stand as dialectical demonstrative syllogisms, God is still largely invisible to mankind - and rightly so.

This is often when Faith steps into the picture. Dialectically, while I know that my wife is home as I am driving home from work, there is the possibility that I could be mistaken. Perhaps she is out shopping. Since these sorts of things have happened to us fairly often in our lives, our beliefs would be made more perfect if we could have visual certification of what it is we want to believe.

So, Faith is our belief that reason is not defective, or, even if very slightly defective, it is not enough to overturn our belief.

God bless,
jd
 
Hello,

My question is essentially: How is faith related to reason?

I myself am not Catholic, and in all honesty doubt that I will convert anytime soon. That being said, I am interested in a deeper understanding of the religion’s philosophy.

I’ve heard from Catholics and other Christians an answer to the question, ‘How do you know God exists if you can’t see Him’?: The answer is that there are many things we believe without scientific proof. I agree with this. But even for those things, there is some ‘reason’ that, although not scientific, is reason enough to believe in them. Another answer i’ve heard is, ‘I take it on faith’. But what does this mean? Obviously Catholics and Christians would agree that we can’t have ‘faith’ in just anything. What ‘reason’ informs faith before someone chooses it?

Thank you for your time,

CV
There are almost always some reasons for accepting a meaningful claim of unknown truth-value, especially if one’s mentally innovative enough. Even false and ridiculous propositions can have some rational support; however, most times they eventually get buried under heaps of further reasons against them, so the mind inevitably declines acceptance after the overall assessment. Other times, a belief may still be a “live option” after all available evidence is weighed – it’s subjectively somehwere between certainty and incredibility – and then one might often in a sense freely choose to affirm it or not, usually based on something that’s itself beyond the strict logical merits of the proposition. This will typically be based on some cost/benefit analysis and, with a pragmatic concern, subjected ultimately to the individual’s own threshold for belief re: uncertain live options, which is arguably combined with a sort of ethical standard once a purely logical standard comes up inconclusive.

Anyway, I hope you don’t mind, but now I’m just going to copy & paste from a couple posts I’ve made before on this topic.

Here’s one:
We are aware of a lacking, a privation – not just a mere absence – of a due, intended good. Thus we’re aversely acquainted with what is essentially evil. As we pursue our natural goods out of love and thereby conversely shun evil, it’s not surprising that we may often leap at the sight of a potentially-reached good – to our minds, that’s a leap out of an evil into a good, which is a pretty solid net gain. Quite simply, our wills (which are inclined to the truth qua goodness, a.k.a. knowledge) refuse to settle with anything less than an intellectual state of perfect certainty with conformity to unlimited truth.

. . . Belief is one’s personal construction of an artificial bridge over a void that he recognizes as evil, an attempt to overcome that evil. I suppose the will finds the intellect in a predicament and suddenly springs to action to provide some means of an escape into safety.

. . . One only doubts after he’s already, consciously or not, realized that what he’s currently got isn’t completely satisfying (that is, isn’t totally certain). The doubt is his effort to assess just how much he’s missing, so to speak, to sample alternatives, to play the field with top contestants. Doubt is often like an intellectual affair, mental cheating/adultery, which only happens amid dissatisfaction of some degree; excessively prolonged doubt is like intellectual spinsterhood, you might say. Hypothesis is akin to dating; belief is a “committed relationship” with temporarily agreed-upon fidelity; religious faith is (or, maybe, ought to be) monogamous marriage. Certainty is like what happens at the end of chick flicks, I guess, when the girl meets Mr. Perfect, Prince Charming, and lives, no doubt, happily ever after.

. . . The fact we seem to be practically, even existentially, compelled to believe amid uncertainty might give us a good idea of our human nature, its end, etc. Every human being with functional rationality has an innate disposition toward perfect, indubitable knowledge, no? Upon recognition of its absence, one begins immediately to maximize his closeness to it, before even trying to determine whether such a goal is feasibly attainable or not.
And here’s another:
[All knowledge by way of] the Scientific Method is faith-based. It relies primarily on dubitable abductive logic, inference to the best sufficient explanation. And of course that’s only the “best” in a somewhat subjective manner – that is, the best at time t, and given a particular amount of (limited) experience.

. . . The Scientific Method is fundamentally a method for gradually reducing, not eliminating, the uncertainty of whatever promising hypotheses we’ve come to believe in after having deemed them sufficiently explicative of new raw data that initially wasn’t covered by one’s prior set of theoretical convictions. It is probability-based, and thus there’s room, however slight, for error.

Therefore any time one chooses to accept a conclusion from the Scientific Method, he’s making the choice to proceed in the face of a specific risk for error. He’s effectively gambling with what he finds to be his best odds in a game that’s undetermined (as far as he knows), with faith in a probability that he personally considers high enough to justify that leap from suspension of belief to adoption of belief. Or in other words, belief results once one thinks the probable good of the belief (the “juice”) is worth the possible evil of the risk (the “squeeze”).
 
Hello,

My question is essentially: How is faith related to reason?

I myself am not Catholic, and in all honesty doubt that I will convert anytime soon. That being said, I am interested in a deeper understanding of the religion’s philosophy.

I’ve heard from Catholics and other Christians an answer to the question, ‘How do you know God exists if you can’t see Him’?: The answer is that there are many things we believe without scientific proof. I agree with this. But even for those things, there is some ‘reason’ that, although not scientific, is reason enough to believe in them. Another answer i’ve heard is, ‘I take it on faith’. But what does this mean? Obviously Catholics and Christians would agree that we can’t have ‘faith’ in just anything. What ‘reason’ informs faith before someone chooses it?

Thank you for your time,

CV
Hello,

My question is essentially: How is faith related to reason?

I myself am not Catholic, and in all honesty doubt that I will convert anytime soon. That being said, I am interested in a deeper understanding of the religion’s philosophy.

I’ve heard from Catholics and other Christians an answer to the question, ‘How do you know God exists if you can’t see Him’?: The answer is that there are many things we believe without scientific proof. I agree with this. But even for those things, there is some ‘reason’ that, although not scientific, is reason enough to believe in them. Another answer i’ve heard is, ‘I take it on faith’. But what does this mean? Obviously Catholics and Christians would agree that we can’t have ‘faith’ in just anything. What ‘reason’ informs faith before someone chooses it?

Thank you for your time,

CV
First the Official answer from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part I, Sec I, Cha 1,2,3. vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

Basically, God has been revealing himself through the things of nature from the beginning to the present time. And the Church has always taught that man can come to know the existence of a personal God with certainty through the movement, becoming, contingency, order and beauty evident in nature, evidences of a first and final cause, and the conscience of man and his spiritual soul. Such truths prepare man for Revelation which makes all the truths necessary for salvation clear to all once and for all. And Revelation is absolutely necessary for knowing those truths which surpass the limits of human intelligence.

Faith itself is the reasonable response of man to God’s revelation. For Catholics it not only means faith in the Divinity of a Revealing personal God but an assent of intellect and will to the entire body of this Revelation through assent of intellect and will to this Church founded by the Son of God and all it hands down from Tradition and Scripture as interpreted by the Magisterium of this Church. In the end we believe on the authority of God himself who can neither deceive nor be deceived.

But that the submission of faith might be in accordance with reason, God willed that external proofs of his Revelation should be joined to the internal helps of the Holy Spirit who worked in the history of Israel through the patriarchs, the covenants, the prophacies fortelling the coming of Christ, then the miracles of Christ and the saints, the Church’s growth and holiness, her fruitfulness and holiness and stability. These things along with those involving pure reason provide a fund of credibility, reasons for faith.

👍
 
Welcome to CAF! 👋

Pope John Paul II was kind enough to write an encyclical that answers that exact question in great detail. 🙂

Fides et Ratio

If you want to know how Catholics view the interplay between faith and reason, that document it a great place to start. 👍
Excellent indeed. Save a couple of hours for the read. One could envision an entire semester of college study devoted to its content and referrences. 👍
 
CV welcome To CAF. 🙂

A few links to begin with…

Some thoughts on faith from the online Catholic Encyclopedia
newadvent.org/cathen/05752c.htm

Some thoughts on reason from the online Catholic Encyclopedia
newadvent.org/cathen/12673b.htm

Faith, reason, from the Catechism from the Catholic Church
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c3a1.htm

Excellent. Much to ponder. 👍

catholiceducation.org/articles/education/ed0294.htm

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html
 
Well, to try and find out for yourself, it may be good for you to meditate on things from different points of view: as an atheist, or as a believer. Try to see how do you see reality from this 2 perspectives; mind, body and soul.
 
Peter Kreeft writes that faith is not just an intellectual belief but an action of the will. You might have faith based on reason–you will to believe in God’s revelations and you might have reasons to. You might also have faith not based on reason.

Skeptics seem to think that all forms of faith are blind but that is not true. You believe in God because you have faith.

I have personally experienced the divine love of the God of the cross and I also have good reason to suspect by virtue of miracles that God is pointing to Catholicism. Thus I have faith, but it is not blind.
 
A better answer to your question above is that “we” have seen God. Jesus Christ walked among us 2000 years ago in the Roman province of Palestine. His existence and the manner of His death were recorded by many non-Christian historians of the time. His life and works are recorded in the Gospels. God certainly doesn’t expect us to have totally blind faith. Actually we’re taught in the Catholic Church that God gives us faith as a gift, that’s it’s not even within our power to “acquire” it by ourselves.

Read the Gospels and decide for yourself whether Jesus is lunatic, liar or Lord.
St Paul tells us “if Christ did not rise from the dead then our faith is in vain”. The Resurrection of Christ proves that Jesus Christ is lord.
 
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