What does God make of feminism?

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Vladi:
Feminism is a disaster/
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When I look at the wider lives that women are able to lead now compared to what my mother and grandmothers were able to live, there is no way that I can agree that feminism is a disaster.
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Vladi:
Low birthrates, the abortion rates, the rise of materialist culture all are to blame on feminsts.
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No other reason? No one else involved? Didn’t realise we were so powerful.

Change is due to a variety of factors which intertwine and not recognising this can lead to groups advocating change being bogeyised (as feminists are being here) and their just demands not just being rejected but being considered inappropriate.
 
Vladi said:
Feminism is a disaster, Low birthrates the abortion rates the rise of materlist culture all are to blame on feminsts. The West is dying the irony of course is that when the Islamists take over women REALLY will be slaves. But I guess most women are too stupid to forsee this taking into account what they vote for.
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As I’ve responded to this question, I’ve attempted to view this situation through the eyes and mind and heart of God, for this is what the original poster has asked of us. None of us truly knows how God views feminism. Most of the posters on Catholic Answers Forum respond to a question of this nature either through reference to what the Roman Catholic Church taught them as children or as converts. Strict adherence to dogma gives us permission to quit evolving, to ignore any internal signals which are inspiring us to strive for excellence, and that to be safe we should deny pursuit of the lives we believe God meant for us to live. The voice of the soul can be disturbing and can interject turmoil and angst into everything we were ever taught *at *age seven, the so-called “age of reason” .

Every age is the age of reason, and reevaluation of dogma is not the exclusive domain of women. Thankfully, there are men who have chosen to take a second and third look at the Church’s portrait of the “ideal family” and Madison Avenue’s clever representations of the “ideal family”, compared the two, and integrated the results with their own practical ideals which have been revealed through thought, prayer, intuition and experience. Today, the men whom I allow into my life as friends and respected colleagues are men who have discovered and walked this path.

I am dismayed by the cold, wet, horsehair blanket that is so often draped over this group of “upstart” women who have the “audacity” to think for themselves, admit their own feelings, take risks in business and personal affairs, continue to learn and to teach themselves new skills. If two men are competing for a promotion, one will get it and the other will not. If a man and a woman are competing for a promotion and the woman gets it, she is labelled a “Feminist”, even though her employer evaluates her skills and determines that she is the more qualified for the position.

I just don’t understand why, in 2008, we can’t let go of the stereotypes and allow men and women to be themselves, to live their lives according to their own understanding of God’s plan for them. Yes, men have undergone change since feminism arose in this country. Maria Montessori said it best: “Any unnecessary help given to a growing organism retards its development.” When women quit picking up wet towels off the bathroom floor and acquiesced when it came time to budget for the couple’s future, they initiated the beginnings of change in the home. Multiply this philosophy and the change it has brought about in friendships, marriages, the workplace, by a minimum of 10, and you can see that, yes, men have been affected by feminism. They have been shown that change and growth are necessary to keep alive the gift of life and the joy of companionship.

To those of you who find comfort in remembrance of a fifty-year-old dream - I’m sorry for your loss.

marietta
 
I am stiil getting use to the machanics of this forum, and may be a little late getting back to you in following up on my previous comment.
Anyway. maybe we could look at it this way… Anything that has improved the way man treats women… or his respect for women would draw us closer to how God wants us to behave. But the fact that “Feminism” was the vehicle for change instead of a true repented heart across the country… (changed by adhering to His word and through the Holy Spirit)… there is no way God could be pleased with us.

In no way can my love (as described in I Cor 13) and respect for women attributed to Feminism or any other kind of “ism”. It is rooted in obediance to Gods word.
 
marietta said:
As I’ve responded to this question, I’ve attempted to view this situation through the eyes and mind and heart of God, for this is what the original poster has asked of us. None of us truly knows how God views feminism. Most of the posters on Catholic Answers Forum respond to a question of this nature either through reference to what the Roman Catholic Church taught them as children or as converts. Strict adherence to dogma gives us permission to quit evolving, to ignore any internal signals which are inspiring us to strive for excellence, and that to be safe we should deny pursuit of the lives we believe God meant for us to live. The voice of the soul can be disturbing and can interject turmoil and angst into everything we were ever taught *at *age seven, the so-called “age of reason” .

Every age is the age of reason, and reevaluation of dogma is not the exclusive domain of women. Thankfully, there are men who have chosen to take a second and third look at the Church’s portrait of the “ideal family” and Madison Avenue’s clever representations of the “ideal family”, compared the two, and integrated the results with their own practical ideals which have been revealed through thought, prayer, intuition and experience. Today, the men whom I allow into my life as friends and respected colleagues are men who have discovered and walked this path.

I am dismayed by the cold, wet, horsehair blanket that is so often draped over this group of “upstart” women who have the “audacity” to think for themselves, admit their own feelings, take risks in business and personal affairs, continue to learn and to teach themselves new skills. If two men are competing for a promotion, one will get it and the other will not. If a man and a woman are competing for a promotion and the woman gets it, she is labelled a “Feminist”, even though her employer evaluates her skills and determines that she is the more qualified for the position.

I just don’t understand why, in 2008, we can’t let go of the stereotypes and allow men and women to be themselves, to live their lives according to their own understanding of God’s plan for them. Yes, men have undergone change since feminism arose in this country. Maria Montessori said it best: “Any unnecessary help given to a growing organism retards its development.” When women quit picking up wet towels off the bathroom floor and acquiesced when it came time to budget for the couple’s future, they initiated the beginnings of change in the home. Multiply this philosophy and the change it has brought about in friendships, marriages, the workplace, by a minimum of 10, and you can see that, yes, men have been affected by feminism. They have been shown that change and growth are necessary to keep alive the gift of life and the joy of companionship.

To those of you who find comfort in remembrance of a fifty-year-old dream - I’m sorry for your loss.

marietta
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Once again, you try to revive the calendar myth. It’s the 21st Century, so what? No one I know automatically became smarter, wiser or more enlightened.

You are painting an idealized picture that you present as ‘this is how women should be’ when in fact, the image you paint was imposed by a small group of radicals obsessed with power and sex. God is against fornication, God is against abortion.

Each individual woman can live her life however she wants. In fact, right now, around the world, people are doing whatever they want. Feminism never spoke about cooperation just polarization. It never spoke about healing, it only told women to focus on their pain and told them not to heal. It told them to become sexual predators just like Sex and the City. It told them to turn male-female relationships into an eternal power struggle against the eternal enemy: men.

How sad. How unBiblical. Real committed love has turned into sexual perversion, the pursuit of power and money. Wake up. Turn to God. He will guide you.

God bless,
Ed
 
edwest2 writes:

*"It’s the 21st Century, so what? No one I know automatically *became smarter, wiser or more enlightened." This reveals a failure to grow on any level.

“You are painting an idealized picture that you present as ‘this is how women should be’ when in fact, the image you paint was imposed by a small group of radicals obsessed with power and sex.” To which small group of radicals do attribute this imposition, and on whom were they imposing, other than you?

*“God is against fornication, God is against abortion.” * Do you believe that these two activities represent the sole reason that feminism came into being?

“Each individual woman can live her life however she wants. In fact, right now, around the world, people are doing whatever they want.” Yeah, ed, those babes in Darfur are finally diggin’ western music on their iPods and shoppin’ online for Manolo Blahnik shoes. Honestly, this is just ridiculous.

“Feminism never spoke about cooperation just polarization. It never spoke about healing, it only told women to focus on their pain and told them not to heal. It told them to become sexual predators just like Sex and the City.” This is a grave affront to any woman who has ever sought help through psychiatry, psychology, social work, group or individual therapy, or even her church of choice to regain a sense of self and try to piece together enough confidence to carry on after being constantly belittled, ignored, accused of things she hasn’t done, hit because dinner wasn’t ready on time, raped, and/or any of the other outrageous, aggressive behaviors so many men have gotten away with over the decades. We have sought refuge and healing, some of us with men as our counselors or doctors. And by the way, ed, didn’t I previously ask you how you know so much about “Sex and the City”? What is your preoccupation with that show really about?

“How sad. How unBiblical. Real committed love has turned into sexual perversion, the pursuit of power and money. Wake up. Turn to God. He will guide you.” Here you are telling us that those who are experiencing real, committed love are only doing so under the influence of the Bible. Would that be the King James Version of the Bible? The New Jerusalem Bible? The New American Bible? What about those poor Protestants who are missing seven books in their Old Testaments? What about the Apocrypha?

The real enemy isn’t “men”, ed. The real enemy is** ignorance.**

And by the way, God is guiding me.

marietta
 
Actually women in many other countries especially third world donlt do whatever they want. They are doing what ever the male in their life either a husband they were quite likely forced to marry or their father tells them they must do.
 
edwest2:

Fear of the Lord does not mean being fearful of His retribution. It means being fearful of offending Him.

I find much of what I read on feminist websites to be radical and purposeless; in other words, the militancy of many “nouvelle feminists” is only inflammatory rhetoric to my ears and does nothing to advance relations between men and women or between women and themselves. The link you provided is, unfortunately, of this type and has nothing to offer, at least it offers nothing to me.

I find the denial of basic human rights to women, and to men, offensive. I fail to grasp what is to be gained by keeping women contained in a time capsule where we can be “handled and managed”. This is extremely offensive to me. I believe God finds it offensive, too.

marietta
 
Salonika said:
When I look at the wider lives that women are able to lead now compared to what my mother and grandmothers were able to live, there is no way that I can agree that feminism is a disaster.

No other reason? No one else involved? Didn’t realise we were so powerful.

Change is due to a variety of factors which intertwine and not recognising this can lead to groups advocating change being bogeyised (as feminists are being here) and their just demands not just being rejected but being considered inappropriate.
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Right women nowadays kill their babies on mass thats something your grandma didn’t do. Feminism would be laughable if it were not so destructive demographically that is.
 
Calliso said:
Actually women in many other countries especially third world donlt do whatever they want. They are doing what ever the male in their life either a husband they were quite likely forced to marry or their father tells them they must do.
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Right and these people are moving on mass into the West and are out breeding Western women meaning that their way of life will become dominate by 2050. It’s just another example of feminist stupidity. They kill their babies or don’t have any then they vote in all sorts of welfare entitlements but with fewer workers to pay into the system. The women’s solution? Import immigrants from Islamic countries that rape Western women and impose Sharia
 
Vladi:

You are also a convincing argument for contraception.

marietta
 
Vladi said:
Right and these people are moving on mass into the West and are out breeding Western women meaning that their way of life will become dominate by 2050. It’s just another example of feminist stupidity. They kill their babies or don’t have any then they vote in all sorts of welfare entitlements but with fewer workers to pay into the system. The women’s solution? Import immigrants from Islamic countries that rape Western women and impose Sharia
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Huh? and hey nothing is wrong with not having kids! 😛 but yeah…huh?
 
Vladi said:
Right and these people are moving on mass into the West and are out breeding Western women meaning that their way of life will become dominant by 2050. It’s just another example of feminist stupidity. They kill their babies or don’t have any then they vote in all sorts of welfare entitlements but with fewer workers to pay into the system. The women’s solution? Import immigrants from Islamic countries that rape Western women and impose Sharia
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To me, this comes over as a view that the only role for women is as “breeders” - one of the views of women that feminism opposes. And some people think that feminism has become unnecessary.

Leaving aside all the other objections what does this mean for women who can’t “breed” (ie are physically unable to have children) - do they have no role in society? Would you make all women who can have children? Force then into marriage? Begins to sound very much like the society of 2050 that you fear.

Even the 1950’s extolled by some posters on this thread never went as far - they at least saw that women had other roles.

Taking it a step further is there a role in the society you would like for men who can’t or will not father children? “Breeding” usually takes two to tango.
 
Salonika said:
To me, this comes over as a view that the only role for women is as “breeders” - one of the views of women that feminism opposes. And some people think that feminism has become unnecessary.

Leaving aside all the other objections what does this mean for women who can’t “breed” (ie are physically unable to have children) - do they have no role in society? Would you make all women who can have children? Force then into marriage? Begins to sound very much like the society of 2050 that you fear.

Even the 1950’s extolled by some posters on this thread never went as far - they at least saw that women had other roles.

Taking it a step further is there a role in the society you would like for men who can’t or will not father children? “Breeding” usually takes two to tango.
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What I am pointing out is that women’s refusal to have children has consequences. What do you propose be done?
 
Vladi said:
What I am pointing out is that women’s refusal to have children has consequences. What do you propose be done?
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What would you propose be done - not a wish list but a program for action that would win enough support to become policy.
 
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