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What does it mean to forgive oneself…or can we at all do that:confused:?
Then still should we do it (forgive) even when we continue to make the same mistakes?🤷
 
Take an extreme case, say a woman who developed alcoholism or drug addiction to the point of losing her child or children.

At a point in recovery, she will need to take full responsibility and then forgive herself for the pain she caused to her child and to her family.
 
We should forgive ourselves out of humility, because it is pride that causes us to hold a grudge against ourselves or others, it’s not regarding ourselves as the weak creatures we really are,
though we sin through our own fault, it is still only because we are so weak, and ultimately the reason we fall into sin is because we do not ask God for the help, or do not accept His graces.
and we must be humble about it, and say “Lord, it is because i did not seek your help that i fell, with your grace i will get back up, but please help me not to sin in this way again”
you must try to regain your peace after sinning as soon as you can, don’t let it get or keep you down, because that is one big way the devil gets us, because while we are brooding over our sins and feeling sorry for ourselves, we are more likely to neglect our prayers and other religious practices, or neglect our talking to God, in which case we will decline even more…and we tend to have the mindset of “i cannot show myself to God in this state!”…but it is precisely in that state that you should go before God more so than any other time! because who is Jesus the physician of? not the just, but the sinners!

to hold a grudge with yourself in the first place is pride, and so that alone is reason enough not to do it.

well, i’m not sure if that helps at all, but i have a couple of book recommendations that i know will definitely help you in this regard -
amazon.com/Searching-Maintaining-Peace-Small-Treatise/dp/0818909064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1303252905&sr=1-1
tanbooks.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/827

ok, take care.
 
=shinequi;7778160]What does it mean to forgive oneself…or can we at all do that:confused:?
Then still should we do it (forgive) even when we continue to make the same mistakes?🤷
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Yep! God made us to forgive… 🙂

Forgiveness begains at home

MANY beliefve if we can’t forgive ourselves; we can’t really forgive others *.

We are to STRIVE for perfection… the key word is STRIVE; don’t give up seek God’s help:thumbsup:

God Bless,

Pat*
 
EmeraldWings said:
We should forgive ourselves out of humility, because it is pride that causes us to hold a grudge against ourselves or others, it’s not regarding ourselves as the weak creatures we really are,
though we sin through our own fault, it is still only because we are so weak, and ultimately the reason we fall into sin is because we do not ask God for the help, or do not accept His graces.
and we must be humble about it, and say “Lord, it is because i did not seek your help that i fell, with your grace i will get back up, but please help me not to sin in this way again”
you must try to regain your peace after sinning as soon as you can, don’t let it get or keep you down, because that is one big way the devil gets us, because while we are brooding over our sins and feeling sorry for ourselves, we are more likely to neglect our prayers and other religious practices, or neglect our talking to God, in which case we will decline even more…and we tend to have the mindset of “i cannot show myself to God in this state!”…but it is precisely in that state that you should go before God more so than any other time! because who is Jesus the physician of? not the just, but the sinners!

to hold a grudge with yourself in the first place is pride,really?.. I had no idea and so that alone is reason enough not to do it.

well, i’m not sure if that helps at all, but i have a couple of book recommendations that i know will definitely help you in this regard -
yep it has really helped, thanks
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Barbkw said:
Take an extreme case, say a woman who developed alcoholism or drug addiction to the point of losing her child or children.

At a point in recovery, she will need to take full responsibility and then forgive herself for the pain she caused to her child and to her family.
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in other words when we forgive our selves we must take responsibility by accepting for our wrong doing?..i think:shrug:
 
Well, think of it this way,
we are told to love others as ourselves, and so if it’s prideful to hold a grudge against someone else, then it must likewise be prideful to hold a grudge against ourselves as well,

we know pride is the root of evil, but to explain it more simply, pride is an inordinate esteem of oneself, it’s considering yourself better than you really are, or in this case it’s thinking “i should have done better, i am so disappointed in myself!” when in reality, that is just what you are capable of(sin), and it’s only by the grace of God that you could do better, and not by yourself.
pride is the vice of deception, just as we call the devil the “father of all lies”, he influences us to think these things of ourselves that are not true, leading us into hidden prides which we take as humility,
but humility is the virtue of truth, it keeps us from reaching beyond ourselves, and it leads to an orderly love of yourself with respect to God and your neighbor,

although to make it easier to discern between vice and virtue, look at it this way - vice is inordinate, and virtue is orderly, and so if something is out of place or out of order in your spiritual life, then you know there is vice present,
a good way to know is simply to ask yourself, do i have peace or not?
we should be able to have peace, as i said earlier, even amidst our sins, although not with a willingness to commit them, but just with the willingness to get back up and try again,
and that book “searching for and maintaining peace” will explain all of that in greater detail, all the whys, whats, and hows, and that other book i linked to will also address those things, but it also addresses every other aspect of the spiritual life, whereas the other book addresses specifically on peace of heart.

and to know whether or not you are acting by certain vices rather than virtues, you also just need to learn your religion better, such as reading from the writings of the saints, like saint Alphonsus de Liguori, or Saint Francis de Sales, or the Cure of Ars…or really anything on www.tanbooks.com
and then it also just takes a serious and honest examination of conscience each night, and alot of prayer, especially during Holy Communion, for guidance and the grace to see yourself as you really are.

well, if you have any other questions, i’d be glad to help further,
ok, take care.
 
EmeraldWings said:
Well, think of it this way,
we are told to love others as ourselves, and so if it’s prideful to hold a grudge against someone else, then it must likewise be prideful to hold a grudge against ourselves as well,

we know pride is the root of evil, but to explain it more simply, pride is an inordinate esteem of oneself, it’s considering yourself better than you really are, or in this case it’s thinking “i should have done better, i am so disappointed in myself!” when in reality, that is just what you are capable of(sin), and it’s only by the grace of God that you could do better, and not by yourself.
pride is the vice of deception, just as we call the devil the “father of all lies”, he influences us to think these things of ourselves that are not true, leading us into hidden prides which we take as humility,
but humility is the virtue of truth, it keeps us from reaching beyond ourselves, and it leads to an orderly love of yourself with respect to God and your neighbor,

although to make it easier to discern between vice and virtue, look at it this way - vice is inordinate, and virtue is orderly, and so if something is out of place or out of order in your spiritual life, then you know there is vice present,
a good way to know is simply to ask yourself, do i have peace or not?
we should be able to have peace, as i said earlier, even amidst our sins, although not with a willingness to commit them, but just with the willingness to get back up and try again,
and that book “searching for and maintaining peace” will explain all of that in greater detail, all the whys, whats, and hows, and that other book i linked to will also address those things, but it also addresses every other aspect of the spiritual life, whereas the other book addresses specifically on peace of heart.

and to know whether or not you are acting by certain vices rather than virtues, you also just need to learn your religion better, such as reading from the writings of the saints, like saint Alphonsus de Liguori, or Saint Francis de Sales, or the Cure of Ars…or really anything on www.tanbooks.com
and then it also just takes a serious and honest examination of conscience each night, and alot of prayer, especially during Holy Communion, for guidance and the grace to see yourself as you really are.

well, if you have any other questions, i’d be glad to help further,
ok, take care.
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thank you EmeraldWings
 
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