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LatinRite stated (emphasis mine). . .
LatinRite also seems to be opining that if you are Baptized, you are automatically one of “the elect”.
Here is what is a small portion of what is really taught (emphasis mine) . . . .
CCC 161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation.42 "Since “without faith it is impossible to please [God]” and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life ‘But he who endures to the end.’"43
Perseverance in faith
CCC 162a Faith is an entirely free gift that God makes to man. We can lose this priceless gift . . . .
LatinRite again (emphasis mine) . . . .
They can repent (also with God’s grace) and get it back, but there is no guarantee that this will occur!
LatinRite’s thesis assumes “eligibility” is the same as perseverance.
LatinRite seems to think if you are Baptized you are automatically one of “the elect”.
This is taught nowhere in Catholicism.
LatinRite also said . . . .
Here is what is REALLY taught . . . .
PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Here is what is NOT taught . . . .
NOT PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 (Phantom Verse) 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation, which is in reality merely we working out the benefits of our salvation. 13 for God is at work in you, but this work of Jesus’ IN YOU with your cooperation has nothing to do with salvation.
And we hear St. Paul say . . . .
2nd CORINTHIANS 6:1 1 Working together with him, then, we entreat you not to accept the grace of God in vain.
There were so many other things that needed to be discussed, I didn’t think it was fair to the OP for me to keep addressing all the disparities and partial truths being presented here.
So I began a separate thread to go into details on many of the side issues associated with justification.
Here is that thread.
LatinRite and Alwayswill. I want to extend a special invitation to both of you to continue to discuss some of the issues we have differed on here, over there so as not to encroach on the original question of the original poster ("What does “Sola Fide” mean?”).
Again. Here is that thread.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=14268678#post14268678
If nobody is interested in the separate thread that’s fine too. Then I will just keep posting concerning these issues here.
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CHAPTER X. **
**On the increase of Justification received. **
Having, therefore, been thus justified, and made the friends and domestics of God, . . . through the observance of the commandments of God and of the Church, faith co-operating with good works, increase in that justice which they have received through the grace of Christ, and are still further justified . . .
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. . . . Wherefore, no one ought to flatter himself up with faith alone, fancying that by faith alone he is made an heir, and will obtain the inheritance, even though he suffer not with Christ, that so he may be also glorified with him. For even Christ Himself, as the Apostle saith, Whereas he was the son of God, learned obedience . . . , to all who obey him, the cause of eternal salvation. . . .
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. . . .That a rash presumptuousness in the matter of Predestination is to be avoided.
No one, moreover, so long as he is in this mortal life, ought so far to presume as regards the secret mystery of divine predestination, . . .
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CANON XXXII.-If any one saith, that the good works of one that is justified are in such manner the gifts of God, as that they are not also the good merits of him that is justified; or, that the said justified, by the good works which he performs through the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose living member he is, does not truly merit increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life,-if so be, however, that he depart in grace,-and also an increase of glory; let him be anathema.
This is not taught anywhere in the Catholic Church. It is a partial truth. (More on that below.)
LatinRite also seems to be opining that if you are Baptized, you are automatically one of “the elect”.
Here is what is a small portion of what is really taught (emphasis mine) . . . .
CCC 161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation.42 "Since “without faith it is impossible to please [God]” and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life ‘But he who endures to the end.’"43
Perseverance in faith
CCC 162a Faith is an entirely free gift that God makes to man. We can lose this priceless gift . . . .
LatinRite again (emphasis mine) . . . .
This is a partial truth and ignores the fact that people later can THROW their salvation away. It isn’t “revoked” but later “rejected” by the recipient.
They can repent (also with God’s grace) and get it back, but there is no guarantee that this will occur!
LatinRite’s thesis assumes “eligibility” is the same as perseverance.
LatinRite seems to think if you are Baptized you are automatically one of “the elect”.
This is taught nowhere in Catholicism.
LatinRite also said . . . .
Yet this is NOT what is taught.
Here is what is REALLY taught . . . .
PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Here is what is NOT taught . . . .
NOT PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 (Phantom Verse) 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation, which is in reality merely we working out the benefits of our salvation. 13 for God is at work in you, but this work of Jesus’ IN YOU with your cooperation has nothing to do with salvation.
And we hear St. Paul say . . . .
2nd CORINTHIANS 6:1 1 Working together with him, then, we entreat you not to accept the grace of God in vain.
There were so many other things that needed to be discussed, I didn’t think it was fair to the OP for me to keep addressing all the disparities and partial truths being presented here.
So I began a separate thread to go into details on many of the side issues associated with justification.
Here is that thread.
LatinRite and Alwayswill. I want to extend a special invitation to both of you to continue to discuss some of the issues we have differed on here, over there so as not to encroach on the original question of the original poster ("What does “Sola Fide” mean?”).
Again. Here is that thread.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=14268678#post14268678
If nobody is interested in the separate thread that’s fine too. Then I will just keep posting concerning these issues here.
**
COUNCIL of TRENT
CHAPTER X. **
**On the increase of Justification received. **
Having, therefore, been thus justified, and made the friends and domestics of God, . . . through the observance of the commandments of God and of the Church, faith co-operating with good works, increase in that justice which they have received through the grace of Christ, and are still further justified . . .
COUNCIL of TRENT
. . . . Wherefore, no one ought to flatter himself up with faith alone, fancying that by faith alone he is made an heir, and will obtain the inheritance, even though he suffer not with Christ, that so he may be also glorified with him. For even Christ Himself, as the Apostle saith, Whereas he was the son of God, learned obedience . . . , to all who obey him, the cause of eternal salvation. . . .
COUNCIL of TRENT
. . . .That a rash presumptuousness in the matter of Predestination is to be avoided.
No one, moreover, so long as he is in this mortal life, ought so far to presume as regards the secret mystery of divine predestination, . . .
COUNCIL of TRENT
CANON XXXII.-If any one saith, that the good works of one that is justified are in such manner the gifts of God, as that they are not also the good merits of him that is justified; or, that the said justified, by the good works which he performs through the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose living member he is, does not truly merit increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life,-if so be, however, that he depart in grace,-and also an increase of glory; let him be anathema.