What does the bible say we are saved from?

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Hello everyone who responded and thank you,
1st off please discuss Beatific Visions on another thread.
7 sorrows and Edward h we pretty much agree on what the apostles meant by saved.

porthos>>> And if you limit yourself to your little passages quoted, then yes, there is no mention of heaven. But if you took the effort, you will find that<<<
Actually I also believe in an ultimate goal for our experiences here. The reason I was in the book of acts and not combing the entire New Testament is because it has the original message that was delivered to perspective converts. I considered it to be significant with regards to what these perspective converts were taught. That’s why I feel it’s important to clearly understand what the apostles meant when they used the term “saved”. Naturally if you can find somewhere in the bible that uses the term “saved” in a way that provides a different understanding of how the term is used then feel free to quote it.
 
lanman87 said:
I am talking about the fact that we are all guilty of sin and rebellion against God. Therefore, we all deserve to go to hell. When we are saved, we are saved from God’s rightful justice. Instead of facing the rightful Justice of God we rest in His mercy.
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True. However, God’s justice isn’t a bad thing. This understanding of justice comes from a flawed theology and understanding of God.

 
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lanman87:
We are saved from God’s justice which we all deserve.
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This comes from a pretty flawed understanding of justice. God’s justice isn’t a bad thing. To get a better understanding of this virtue, check this link: The Cardinal Virtues: Justice | The Catholic Gentleman.
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Yes. God’s justice is in fact indistinguishable from his mercy (because, as with all things God, his attributes are his essence). The very teaching of merit, especially condign merit, is rooted in both grace and justice. So we are not saved from God’s justice; we benefit from it because of the grace of Christ. God, in justice, has rewarded us with the life of adoption.

God’s justice cuts both ways, and so you are right; the statement quoted must be rejected as a heresy.
 
Salvation really means healing or wholeness, and so when one is being “saved” they are being healed from all that causes unhappiness or unhealthiness, such as sin, death, and hell (the state of being separated from love)
 
Actually, the account of Christ’s Ascension into Heaven is recorded in Acts of the Apostles. Taken together with Gospels, it is quite clear Christ goes to prepare a place for the saved.

As a member of the Association for Research and Enlightenment, surely you have an answer to the question you pose. Please enlighten us.
 
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TheOldColonel said:
As a member of the Association for Research and Enlightenment, surely you have an answer to the question you pose. Please enlighten us.
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I pretty much have the same understanding as 7_sorrows and Edward_H above. Saved from sin.
Actually, the account of Christ’s Ascension into Heaven is recorded in Acts of the Apostles. Taken together with Gospels, it is quite clear Christ goes to prepare a place for the saved.<<<
My post only dealt with what the apostles meant when they used the term saved.
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For some reason my last reply didn’t show up. Anyway my post only dealt with what the apostles meant be the term saved.
 
Is there some reason why I would gain a better understanding of what the apostles meant by the term saved by reading the Catholic catechism rather than the book of Acts where the term saved is often used?
 
Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that both Scripture and Tradition are channels of Divine Revelation. The Catechism is a wealth of both. One can limit oneself to only one book of the Bible. But that approach might prove to be rather piecemeal.
 
In the experiences of Father Richard Rohr, a common retort among atheists is “why do we need a savior?” Father’s reply is, “when you’ve fought with obsession to where you cannot sleep, cannot work, and have destroyed others’ lives or wound up in prison because of them, that’s why we need a savior”.
 
Our associate pastor once said in a homily “salvation is really an act on our part…our decision to cooperate”. I think about that often. Peace be with you
 
We are saved from the wages of sin and death through the sacrifice and resurrection of Messiah Yehoshua aka Jesus by our surrender to him as savior through our baptism by water and the Holy Spirit, who leads us into the perfection of the New Covenant ordained by the Son of God–Jesus Christ–in the Gospels.
We were born separated from our birth right and all who aren’t reborn in Yehoshua Natzeret will suffer this separation eternally.
Now is the time to be all you were destined to be through the circumcision of our hearts when the Holy Spirit is revealed to us, also the required mark of the final Passover to come.
 
I’m often reminded of the many times when Jesus says in the gospels, “your faith has saved you”. As a Catholic, I think it means what you said above mostly. That by trusting in Jesus He is able to forgive us; like with Abraham, and the possible sacrificing of his son. Is this what you meant?
 
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margaret42:
I’m often reminded of the many times when Jesus says in the gospels, “your faith has saved you”.
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Can you provide one instance of Jesus saying that?
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Luke 7:50 is the one place Jesus says that exact phrase. He does say variations of that same phrase (e.g. “healed”) in other places (e.g. Matthew 9:22; Luke 17:19).
 
Evenshlomo said:
what’s your birth right you’re seperated from?
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St. Paul touched on this in one of the Sunday Mass readings a few weeks ago, Romans 8:14-17:
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you received a spirit of adoption, through which we cry, “Abba, Father!” The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if only we suffer with him so that we may also be glorified with him.
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As children of God, we have an inheritance. God has adopted us as his own children, and so we may live with him and share in his love forever.

@End_Timer posted another Bible passage about this inheritance, John 14:2-3:
In my Father’s house there are many dwelling places. If there were not, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back again and take you to myself, so that where I am you also may be.
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As @Jackson pointed out, our inheritance was lost by the sin of Adam and Eve, that is, Original Sin, and later restored by Jesus Christ. Still we risk losing that inheritance if we reject it by our own sins, if we turn away from God and do not repent.
 
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Well, like the example with Abraham and his son; Abraham was about to sacrifice his son, and God told him to stop: “your faith has saved you”.
 
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