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And hello to you too.
Read the book. You will soon find out.
And what has that got to do with the question?
I don’t know about that; but they wrote the Bible, not the Catholics.
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Karin
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No Jew that I know agrees with that …the OT yes but the NT nope they do not even read it, believe it
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Here is a good short article that gives some info on the BoM…
catholic.com/library/Problems_with_the_Book_of_Mormon.asp
Here is a good short article that gives some info on the BoM…
catholic.com/library/Problems_with_the_Book_of_Mormon.asp
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They wrote it though! :yup:No Jew that I know agrees with that …the OT yes but the NT nope they do not even read it, believe it
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Believe it not! Read the book. Think for yourself. Don’t let other people do your thinking for you.
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Jews wrote the NT…please provide some proof of this
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LOL!
BELIEVE IT MARK A!
Dont believe the garabge/lies etc. that attempts to lead you away from the truth!
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this whole notion that “the Bible” is a book that someone sat down and wrotte or even that a series of writers passed down one at a time to sequentially write is silly. I reaolize it is very popular with Southern Baptists, evangelicals , etc. but it’s simply wrong.
There were a number of writings from early Christian leaders, various “versions” of the Old testament and numerous accounts of Jesus time incarnate. (the Gospels). These were used in individually by early Christians for years. When the body materials grew not only too large for a “stack of scrolls” but some appeared “questionable” in veracity, the church realized the need to go over all of these writings and point out the ones that were in fact “scripture” due to their nature as well as their truth. These were translated into Latin so that at least they would finally all be in one laguage and then were “canonized” based on the magisterium. Thus, The Catholic church gave the world “a Bible”. Some folks later chose to delete some of the writings form the canon and many have chosen to “retranslate” the writings for greater accuracy. (even the Catholic church updates translations of scripture to ensure linguistic accuracy in the various tongues the Bible can now be published in).
The only piece of the bible that “the Jews” (whoever that means) wrote would be the OT. even then, the Catholic church disagrees with the “after the fact” ruling made by the “sanhedrin” to exclude the portions that happened after a certain date or weren’t written in hebrew. thus even then we have a collection of writngs that were gone over and “canonized”…sometimes diferently by different groups.
The implication that “the Jews” wrote the Bible from a mormon perspective would have to be a gross misinterpretation of the BoM. (stick of Judah, stick of Joseph) The LDS church doesn’t teach that “the Jews” wrote the Bible. I guess I’m not surprised that amgid/zerinus once again mistates LDS doctrine to lure the unwary down his path to confusion.
There were a number of writings from early Christian leaders, various “versions” of the Old testament and numerous accounts of Jesus time incarnate. (the Gospels). These were used in individually by early Christians for years. When the body materials grew not only too large for a “stack of scrolls” but some appeared “questionable” in veracity, the church realized the need to go over all of these writings and point out the ones that were in fact “scripture” due to their nature as well as their truth. These were translated into Latin so that at least they would finally all be in one laguage and then were “canonized” based on the magisterium. Thus, The Catholic church gave the world “a Bible”. Some folks later chose to delete some of the writings form the canon and many have chosen to “retranslate” the writings for greater accuracy. (even the Catholic church updates translations of scripture to ensure linguistic accuracy in the various tongues the Bible can now be published in).
The only piece of the bible that “the Jews” (whoever that means) wrote would be the OT. even then, the Catholic church disagrees with the “after the fact” ruling made by the “sanhedrin” to exclude the portions that happened after a certain date or weren’t written in hebrew. thus even then we have a collection of writngs that were gone over and “canonized”…sometimes diferently by different groups.
The implication that “the Jews” wrote the Bible from a mormon perspective would have to be a gross misinterpretation of the BoM. (stick of Judah, stick of Joseph) The LDS church doesn’t teach that “the Jews” wrote the Bible. I guess I’m not surprised that amgid/zerinus once again mistates LDS doctrine to lure the unwary down his path to confusion.
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What does “amgid” stand for? I have seen you use it several times in various posts.
What does “amgid” stand for? I have seen you use it several times in various posts.
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The writers of the NT were Jews. Paul was a Jew. He thought he was, and said as much:
Acts 21:
39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, . . .
Acts 22:
3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, . . .
And guess what, other people thought so too:
Acts 19:
34 But when they knew that he was a Jew, . . .
And surprise surprise, Peter thought he was a Jew too:
Acts 10:
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, . . .
And Paul seemed to agree:
Galatians 2:
14 . . . I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, . . .
And you would never believe it, but Jesus was a Jew too, and other people seem to think so:
John 4:
9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? . . .
And He even appeared to be proud of the fact:
John 4:
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
The Bible was written by the Jews. The word Catholic does not occur anywhere in the Bible; but the word Jew does. The Apostles were all Jews. Jesus was a Jew. He even informs us that “salvation if of the Jews”. Don’t be fooled. The Jews gave us the Bible—all of it. The Catholics didn’t.
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Believe it not! Learn to think for yourself. Read the book. God gave you a brain, use it. Don’t let other people make up your mind on your behalf. It is an affront to God you gave you a brain to think for yourself.
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LOL!
I have thought for myself … It is a garbled bunch of lies/half truths/ man made gardbage that attempts to lead people away from the TRUTH!
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That is your opinion. He can read it for himself, and make up his own mind about it. Why should he let you make up his mind for him?
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Jews who where early Christians (followers of Christ) did write the NT…Jews who did not believe in Jesus wrote the OT
There is a difference my dear
There is a difference my dear
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I give MHO just as you do regarding the book.
If you really want him to know what the book says why do you choose to NOT anwser his question…it is a rather simple one and you do not have to read a pack of garbage to answer it
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They were still Jews though. They called themselves Jews, not Catholics.
Who says the Jews who wrote the OT didn’t believe in Jesus? If they didn’t, how come they made so many prophecies about Him?…Jews who did not believe in Jesus wrote the OT
There is a difference my dear
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Something else to consider…
Classic characteristics of a cult:
Classic characteristics of a cult:
*]Cultists believe that all Christian churches are wrong and that their cult has the real truth about God.
*]Cultists attack the deity of Jesus Christ and either lower him to the level of man or raise man to the level of Christ.
*]Cultists deny that man can be saved by faith in Christ alone. They teach that man can make himself right with God by good works and by obeying the teachings of the cult.
]Cultists believe the statements of their leaders who claim to have new interpretations of scripture, or valuable indispensable additions to it.
]Many cults claim to believe the Bible, but they distort its teachings to suit their own particular beliefs about man, God, the Holy Spirit, Heaven, Hell, salvation, and other vital doctrine.
The Mormon church fulfills all 5 of these characteristics of a cult.
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Characteristics of Orthodox Christianity:
*]Acceptance of the Bible as the inspired, infallible, authoritative Word of God.
*]God became flesh in the physical man Jesus.
*]Christ atoned for man’s sin through his death on the cross.
*]Christ arose in bodily form from the grave, conquering death and proving he is God.
Galatians 1:6-12; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Revelations 22:18; Deuteronomy 13:1-10
The Mormon church does not believe any of these 4 characteristics of orthodox Christianity.
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You are entitled to your opinion, and so am I. You have given him your opinion, and I have given him mine. If he really wants to know the truth, he will go and read the book, and make up his own opinion about it. Why should he let you make up his mind for him?
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They say it…
So why don’t Jews believe in Jesus?The first thing you need to understand is, we do not believe in the Christian “New Testament.” It’s not part of our Bible. Many Christians find this confusing: how can you accept one part of a book without accepting another part of the book. But the Bible is not one book; it’s a collection of books. Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Mormons each have their own idea of what books belong in that collection. You wouldn’t accept another religion’s idea of what belongs in your Bible, so you shouldn’t expect Jews to accept your idea of what belongs in our Bible. jewfaq.org/looking4.htm
The link goes on to explain more in depth why the Jews do not believe in Jesus…may I suggest that you read it
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