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This is a religious title from someone here. He isn’t around for me to ask, so I’ll ask here.

What does the following mean?
Baptized Latin Catholic-Byzantinianized by Ruthenians
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I would assume that this person was baptized into the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, and for whatever reason, has moved into the Ruthenian Rite. Many Roman Catholics attend Byzantine parishes because of the beauty and reverence of the Divine Liturgy, which is unfortunately lacking in some Roman parishes.
 
Cavaille-Coll said:
I would assume that this person was baptized into the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, and for whatever reason, has moved into the Ruthenian Rite. Many Roman Catholics attend Byzantine parishes because of the beauty and reverence of the Divine Liturgy, which is unfortunately lacking in some Roman parishes.
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Is the difference significant? If so, in what way? Why do you think he changed?
 
You would have to ask him. One of my friends who is Eastern Catholic has explained to me that much of the Eastern Catholic Church is about culture. In my own case much of my culture of my Eastern European family was lost. When I converted to the Catholic Church it was always just assumed by the parish that I did my RCIA at that i should be Latin-Rite Catholic but no one ever explained the difference. I have given this some thought for a while and some day I may find myself seeking more of my roots. Right now I just seek those roots through study. I know that as I grow older I may need to form that bond with my grandparents through the Liturgy especially the unfortunate day I lose my father.
 
Zundrah said:
This is a religious title from someone here. He isn’t around for me to ask, so I’ll ask here.

What does the following mean?
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It sounds like he is a Latin Rite Catholic that prefers to attend a Ruthenian Rite Church, but hasn’t officially converted. (I think you have to get a dispensation from your bishop or something) It is signifigant in that they have a different litrugy from the Latin Rite and it really confused protestants when they ask what religion you are. I expect that if he were here, he would say that he prefers the reverence and beauty of the Ruthenian liturgy, or he got himself a Ruthenian girl.
 
joanofarc2008 said:
You would have to ask him. One of my friends who is Eastern Catholic has explained to me that much of the Eastern Catholic Church is about culture. In my own case much of my culture of my Eastern European family was lost. When I converted to the Catholic Church it was always just assumed by the parish that I did my RCIA at that i should be Latin-Rite Catholic but no one ever explained the difference. I have given this some thought for a while and some day I may find myself seeking more of my roots. Right now I just seek those roots through study. I know that as I grow older I may need to form that bond with my grandparents through the Liturgy especially the unfortunate day I lose my father.
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I was actually originally going to PM you this question.

The person whose title this was, he said that he was appalled by the abuses taking place in liturgies of a certain rite. That might explain the hop. But most of what he said was all jargon to me…
 
Zundrah said:
This is a religious title from someone here. He isn’t around for me to ask, so I’ll ask here.

What does the following mean?
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In case it wasn’t clear from the above, the Ruthenian Church is fully a part of the Catholic Church, under the pope, but it uses the Byzantine Rite form of liturgy. If my memory serves, the user you are asking about lives in Alaska, which, due to being originally settled by the Russians, has a notable Ruthenian presence. The Catholic Church includes more than just the Roman Catholic Church; it comprises the Roman Catholic Church (which is huge), along with 22 Eastern Catholic Churches (most of which are relatively small and have little presence outside of Eastern Europe and the eastern Mediterranean, which is why many people in the West have not heard of them).
 
Allegra said:
It sounds like he is a Latin Rite Catholic that prefers to attend a Ruthenian Rite Church, but hasn’t officially converted. (I think you have to get a dispensation from your bishop or something) It is signifigant in that they have a different litrugy from the Latin Rite and it really confused protestants when they ask what religion you are. I expect that if he were here, he would say that he prefers the reverence and beauty of the Ruthenian liturgy, or he got himself a Ruthenian girl.
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He use to tell me about the rites. I remember asking him what they were and what the difference between them was. Then I’d pretend to understand what he was saying because I couldn’t keep up. lol
 
MarkThompson said:
In case it wasn’t clear from the above, the Ruthenian Church is fully a part of the Catholic Church, under the pope, but it uses the Byzantine Rite form of liturgy. If my memory serves, the user you are asking about lives in Alaska, which, due to being originally settled by the Russians, has a notable Ruthenian presence.
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Is the difference simply in the way that they do things?
 
Zundrah said:
I was actually originally going to PM you this question.

The person whose title this was, he said that he was appalled by the abuses taking place in liturgies of a certain rite. That might explain the hop. But most of what he said was all jargon to me…
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ByzCath is a very good person to ask questions of related to Eastern Catholicism. He is a religious Brother who is of the Eastern Rite. I know there is an Eastern Church and I wish knew more. I actually just sent him the beginning of a laundry list of questions. I am hoping he is able to make an appearance.
 
The more proper term is not “converted,” but “canonically transferred.”

The Ruthernian Catholic Church is one of Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with Rome. Ruthernian Catholic Church use Byzantine rite.

The Canon Law provides opportunity for a person to do canonical transfer from one sui iuris Catholic Church to another. For instance, a Latin rite Catholic may petition to become a Ruthernian Catholic.

According to canon law, a child is automatically member of church sui iuris of the father.
If the father is a Ruthernian Catholic and the mother is a Latin Catholic for instance, the child is canonically a Ruthernian Catholic, even if that child never attend a Ruthernian Catholic Church for the rest of his life.

Without canonical transfer, every Catholic is free to worship in every Catholic Church of whatever rite. A Latin Catholic is free to worship and receive sacraments in Ruthernian Catholic Church, fulfilling their obligations.

For instance if you go to Lebanon, you will find more Maronite Catholic Churchs there instead Latin Catholic Churches. You can fulfill all your obligations, receive sacraments from the Maronite Catholic Church.
 
Zundrah said:
Is the difference simply in the way that they do things?
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Well, the Eastern Catholic Churches have ancient histories, so they have a variety of different traditions, different approaches to theology (though the same dogmas, of course), a different organizational hierarchy, and different ways of celebrating Mass.
 
MarkThompson said:
Well, the Eastern Catholic Churches have ancient histories, so they have a variety of different traditions, different approaches to theology (though the same dogmas, of course), a different organizational hierarchy, and different ways of celebrating Mass.
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Could you think of any reason a Catholic might have strong feelings to change rites?
 
joanofarc2008 said:
ByzCath is a very good person to ask questions of related to Eastern Catholicism. He is a religious Brother who is of the Eastern Rite. I know there is an Eastern Church and I wish knew more. I actually just sent him the beginning of a laundry list of questions. I am hoping he is able to make an appearance.
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It might be best for me to simply ask him for the best source to read up on this, rather than bombard him with my ignorance.
 
Zundrah said:
Could you think of any reason a Catholic might have strong feelings to change rites?
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I think usually it would be due to marrying someone who belonged to another rite. Then again, some people just find the traditions and spirituality of Eastern Catholicism more appealing. We have a whole forum here where people talk about it all the time!
 
MarkThompson said:
I think usually it would be due to marrying someone who belonged to another rite. Then again, some people just find the traditions and spirituality of Eastern Catholicism more appealing. We have a whole forum here where people talk about it all the time!
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I’ll have to pop a few questions there. Thanks.
 
Zundrah said:
It might be best for me to simply ask him for the best source to read up on this, rather than bombard him with my ignorance.
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They are my questions. He may drop by anyway. This is something he enjoys. He is a great Brother.
 
joanofarc2008 said:
They are my questions. He may drop by anyway. This is something he enjoys. He is a great Brother.
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I hope you didn’t misunderstand. I used ignorance there as in reference to all that I’d be asking him if I did message him. I use to PM anyone here, much to their annoyance. I tread more carefully now.
 
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